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50nl-3b pot vs aggro reg

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  1. #1

    Default 50nl-3b pot vs aggro reg

    Villain is 28/24/4.1. 12.8% 3b, 20% from the button. 231 hands.

    We had a pretty aggro dynamic going. I had 4 bet twice before and folded twice or thrice to his 3b's. I had planned on calling his 3b preflop when i raised. On the flop i thought i could rep jj-1010 pretty well, and it would be very hard for villain to call with the shortstack behind. I sized it such that i culd shove turn against villain and call it off if he raised.

    Does this look ok?

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($50)
    SB ($33.50)
    BB ($50)
    UTG ($11.25)
    Hero (MP) ($55.90)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 7, 6
    1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, Button raises $6, SB calls $5.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.25

    Flop: ($18.50) 5, J, 10 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $12.50, Button raises $44 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $31.50
  2. #2
    I fold preflop, I don't think you get enough FE postflop after the SS calls he has like 99-QQ etc too much and isn't folding postflop. His stack is too small to give you decent implied odds and it'll be hard to play draws profitably, and we'll just be c/f so many flops given the SS has flatted. We can't really continue with our original plan to play a pot vs the light 3 bettor and his weak range when the SS comes along. I'd only flat preflop if we were a good bit deeper.

    Not sure I like your line postflop, it's better than c/r though. C/R isn't good because when BU bets this flop, it really isn't often to foled to a raise imo. I might go ahead and just c/c though getting good implied odds since when it goes bet-call action to you or bet-fold action to you, we're usually against a pretty strong hand that's stacking off. If we see a free card that's good too since we only need 2 streets to get the money in when we make a flush. I think this flop smacks sbs range too hard for me to wanna bet/get it in as a 40% dog or worse. I'd rather c/c or take my free card to bust sb's TT JJ QQ etc since I don't count on having a whole lot of FE here.
  3. #3
    SB stats were 61/15/1.4 after 95 hands. He was flatting everything preflop and was quite happy to have him come along. Sorry i forgot to mention that.

    Also think c/c would be pretty bad in this spot oop. I mean ill be giving up on 70-80 percent of turns and my hand has no showdown value and no FE. It would be a bit of a reverse implied odds situation as well as the villain is a decent reg who wont stack off so light on a flush card.
  4. #4
    bet/calling here is just really awful.
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    bet/calling here is just really awful.
    Yeah, i know calling off with this hand really sucks but i thought id get credit if i got called and shoved turn. He is a decent player and might fold a good pair on the turn.

    Do you think i should have gone for a c/r instead?
  6. #6
    2 things you really have to think of:
    1- Get the last bet in with a draw
    2- Relative position
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    fold pre, as played c/f flop
  8. #8
    Thanks for the insight guys. Gave me a lot to think about.
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by pocketfours View Post
    fold pre, as played c/f flop
    Once called pre I think hero should check the flop and reevaluate the action.
    If PFR cbets and SB calls hero can call imo.
    If PFR cbets and SB folds, hero should consider c/c or c/f based on sizing.

    Lead/calling as hero did is the worst option on the flop imo. I think c/shove is way better, but I'm not sure that's even +EV.

    In the end, you basically have a flop you hoped for, and still all option are bad, so you really have to reconsider your preflop call.
  10. #10
    Is c/c really better than b/c in this spot?

    The reason i bet the flop was that it was good for my perceived range and i was up against a weak/wide range even though he 3b(20% 3b button). The SB is a fish and i wouldn't mind getting it in with him because of my hands equity.

    When i bet i really didn't want to call off a shove but knew id have to if he did. The main reason behind my bet was to get folds on the flop, or if i get called to shove the turn.

    Another reason i bet was that even if villain had a mediocre made hand like a pair or something, he would be put in a tough spot and might fold them quite often because the SB is still left to act.

    Its definitely a lil bit of FPS but we had an aggro dynamic.

    c/c puts me in a weird spot where i have to fold on a lot of turns and might not get paid when i hit my hand.

    I hope this doesn't sound too defensive. I am just very eager to learn.
  11. #11
    You're overvaluing your hand strength here shakess. I wouldn't feel good about getting it in against anyone on a board like this, including the fish.

    Villains cbetting range is strong on this board. His raising range probably even stronger. So you're getting it in against a very strong range, quite surely as strong that your bare weak FD doesn't have enough equity.

    C/c definately puts you in a weird turn spot and with the pot already bloated you likely don't have the odds to c/c. MAYBE if the fish called a cbet as well you have the odds.

    Also villain is gonna check behind his air hands on the flop a lot, so you should be able to pick of some pots of his air hands.
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    definitely fold pre and this:

    Once called pre I think hero should check the flop and reevaluate the action.
    If PFR cbets and SB calls hero can call imo.
    If PFR cbets and SB folds, hero should consider c/c or c/f based on sizing.
  13. #13
    I think you were maybe a little frustrated with this player and looking for an opportunity to play back? Wait for a better one imo. Or just leave the table if someone is giving you that much trouble. Sucks to have an agro behind you sometimes.

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