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    Default 1/2 stats by position analysis smallish sample

    not sure where to post this.

    thoughts on how I'm playing this month so far, I'm trying to optimize some stuff a bit more.

    -3bet a bit more from MP and CO, a bit less from BB...
    -add some 4bet bluffs from UTG/MP
    -widen cutoff range a little bit more
    -fold more from the blinds?

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    your 3-bet stats in the blinds should be switched
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    your 3-bet stats in the blinds should be switched
    umm I don't know about that? btn raises, sb calls, bb squeeze, and sb open bb 3bet seem to be reasonable situations for BB 3bet to end up > SB 3bet?
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    the nature of the big blind offers lots of incentive for flatting, and the nature of the sb promotes 3-betting. I feel like I have a pretty solid preflop game and sb has always been my highest 3-bet stat, followed closely by button, then bb, then co.
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    Yah I could go either way really. My SB/BB 3bet stats are pretty much the same.

    You could probably tighten up UTG (I don't see why utg and utg+1 should be the same), and loosen up a bit on the button.

    Your sample isn't big, so the numbers may not be meaningful, but I'd say your won at SD is a bit too high. You're probably not calling enough, or checking behind hands (going to showdown) with too many hands that you should be thin-value betting.
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    thx guys

    yep I do believe I check back a lot of hands, I suppose there's a lot of hands that I THINK i only get called by better but I'm probably wrong because people do see me bluff sometimes on the river so I can probably get value from some bluff catching hands against certain opponents.

    What sort of hands do you guys like to 4bet/bluff with since my 4bet in general is a bit on the weak side, I know some regs definitely 3bet me more because I'm close to 70% fold to 3bet.
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    I don't think 72% f3b is very high really. Don't know how the "4b range" stat works, but for 4bet bluffing I prefer something with blockers, preferably suited ie weakish broadways and Qxs+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bspahn View Post
    yep I do believe I check back a lot of hands, I suppose there's a lot of hands that I THINK i only get called by better
    Just because you value bet, doesn't mean you need to value bet 1/2 pot or greater. You know you're ahead based on the line, but you have a very marginal hand, bet like 1/10th of the pot. Let him tilt call A high cause draws bricked, or c/r bluff you when it makes zero zero sense for a c/r.


    Quote Originally Posted by bspahn View Post
    What sort of hands do you guys like to 4bet/bluff with since my 4bet in general is a bit on the weak side, I know some regs definitely 3bet me more because I'm close to 70% fold to 3bet.
    I like showing the fold to 4bet stat. I like 4betting with blockers, but I'd rather 4bet someone without blockers but that has a high fold to 4bet, than vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    I like showing the fold to 4bet stat. I like 4betting with blockers, but I'd rather 4bet someone without blockers but that has a high fold to 4bet, than vice versa.
    That stat takes forever to converge, and preflop dynamics can be very well established before that point. We'll usually know whether or not someone is likely to get it in lighter vs us much faster by basic observation i.e villain shoved over 4bet CO vs BTN with AJs etc etc

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