400nl - have I gone mad?

[Micro2Macro]

villain is b/e - losing nit

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($212.15)
UTG+1 ($406)
MP1 ($139.60)
MP2 ($370)
Hero ($400)
BTN ($196)
SB ($402)
BB ($416)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 8 players) Hero is CO
3 folds, MP2 raises to $14, Hero calls $14, 3 folds

Flop: ($34, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $20, MP2 calls $20

Turn: ($74, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $56, MP2 calls $56

River: ($186, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero goes all-in $310

[Deanglow]

There is no shame in checking it down with showdown value. At least less shameful than going insane against bad players with trips

[caddie444]

yes you have

but after you fire flop/turn river shovel seems necessary

obvious questions: How often does he c-bet OOP and did you have any reads regarding him slowplaying OOP or calling double/triple barrels on dry boards?

Or are you just going by the assumption that a nit should never get to the riv this way with a set or AA, or 78 due to his preflop nittiness and turn c/c?

[Outlaw]

Does betting 160 accomplish the same thing as a bluff? a shove looks so bluffy to me here.

[Icanhastreebet]

Does betting 160 accomplish the same thing as a bluff? a shove looks so bluffy to me here.

This is the exact reason I'd overbet value shove this river 100% v most 25/50/100(some not most here) regs.

Looks fine unless he's checking a bunch of Ax combos to us postflop and not folding 2nd pairs like 77/88/TT-KK on the turn.

[Icanhastreebet]

Also if he's a huge nit you might make him fold silly trips like A7s/A8s/AT(?) that thinks they are just getting value shoved on 100%

[BankItDrew]

i like it a lot

[Micro2Macro]

i like it a lot

we seem to have a lot in common. you going to be at lemonfest?

[oskar]

If he's a thinking nit he might have AJ+ in his checking range against u maniaks that will just pavlovian 3-barrel when facing weakness.
At 100NL I would play it the same. No idea where the level of play is at up there and if people regularly check dry boards with TPGK+.

Obviously if you bet flop you have to barrel and stick it in - I would shove any river.

[CBAT]

we seem to have a lot in common. you going to be at lemonparty?

fyp

[BankItDrew]

we seem to have a lot in common. you going to be at lemonfest?

Probably, when is it?

[badgers]

well I like the double barrel but I don't think you should fire this 100% of the time or even close. The turn improves your range, I don't think the same can be said for the river... Shoving reps exactly FHs whereas a bet of $160 reps FHs, 78 and decent As. I think this is fine some of the time as long as your image is clean as a whistle.

[caddie444]

we seem to have a lot in common. you going to be at lemonParty?

fyp

I lol'd

I think this is fine some of the time as long as your image is clean as a whistle.

M2M'm image clean as a ?! I guess it does depend on hands you've shown down recently and what he thinks you're capable of if he's even thinking on that high a level.

[lancelott_]

i like it on every single river card except an Ace, just give it up this time, wrong card came - your FE just dropped significantely, no matter that it doesnt change your precieved hand strength that you are repping.

[Outlaw]

i like it on every single river card except an Ace, just give it up this time, wrong card came - your FE just dropped significantely, no matter that it doesnt change your precieved hand strength that you are repping.

I disagree with this.. it puts a thinking players range here in a very tough spot... he might get some hero folds

[Imthenewfish]

I don't see why we're going AI here. I like firing a third barrel a lot, but as a bluff won't a $170 bet work just as well, AND when we're value betting here, aren't we more likely to bet a smaller amount because it's likely that he has some medium-strong pocket pair he's not going to call a big overbet here..is he?

[Micro2Macro]

I don't see why we're going AI here. I like firing a third barrel a lot, but as a bluff won't a $170 bet work just as well, AND when we're value betting here, aren't we more likely to bet a smaller amount because it's likely that he has some medium-strong pocket pair he's not going to call a big overbet here..is he?

fish pm me in irc regarding this when I'm around

[bikes]

People usually never fold when they take this line trying to own people.

That being said this is the best possible line to try and get him to fold.

[pocketfours]

I think you overestimate the amount of aces this villain expects his perceived range to contain. Consider a turn overbet.

[Renton]

There is no shame in checking it down with showdown value. At least less shameful than going insane against bad players with trips

he has sd value?

[Deanglow]

he has sd value?

On the flop...

[Renton]

i suppose villain could be checkfolding kq once every blue moon, but for the most part we have the worst hand on this flop once he checks