50NL Trips 150BB

[Da GOAT]

cud u please expand that point, my small brain is trying to process.

we dont want him to fold his worse hands (which incls his best combos plus it wud be a mistake to call us right) when we shove turn since we are ahead. do you mean ifs safer to just pick up the dead money and not win the extra $50 behind.

that wouldnt seem right to me.

[pocketfours]

cud u please expand that point, my small brain is trying to process.

we dont want him to fold his worse hands (which incls his best combos plus it wud be a mistake to call us right) when we shove turn since we are ahead. do you mean ifs safer to just pick up the dead money and not win the extra $50 behind.

that wouldnt seem right to me.

Not a mistake for him to call a shove with 67cc/67ss. However it's much more important to ask ourselves whether he is the type to raise the turn with a draw, or the type to bluff the river with a missed draw.

A lot of tags at these stakes would not bluff the river when missed. Against that type of player flatting here is a big mistake.

On the other hand if this player only raises boats on the turn like this, then shoving is obviously going to be a huge mistake and folding is correct.

Against the tags in the games I currently play, taking into account my image, I think shoving is slightly better. I get raised by draws and slowplayed AK on the turn and they aren't folding to a shove.

Some weak players even raise AQ for info and cheap showdown. They definitely aren't betting the river again.

[sk8r_daniel]

I only have 5k hands this month at 50nl SH but I would ship turn. Im not fist pump shoving at all, but its not like he is just bluffing you with air, and you are letting his equity get realized for free if you c/c, c/c and he will basically play perfect against you. He will check back when he misses and value town you when he hits whatever it is he has.

Also it is quite rare (so far at least) to see guys 2 barreling in a spot like this.

So either be a pansy and fold or ship it. IMO

*ps..I have a very laggy image if that counts for anything.

[nice_aiau]

I only have 5k hands this month at 50nl SH but I would ship turn. Im not fist pump shoving at all, but its not like he is just bluffing you with air, and you are letting his equity get realized for free if you c/c, c/c and he will basically play perfect against you. He will check back when he misses and value town you when he hits whatever it is he has.

Also it is quite rare (so far at least) to see guys 2 barreling in a spot like this.

So either be a pansy and fold or ship it. IMO

*ps..I have a very laggy image if that counts for anything.

You've misread the hand history

[Da GOAT]

Not a mistake for him to call a shove with 67cc/67ss. However it's much more important to ask ourselves whether he is the type to raise the turn with a draw, or the type to bluff the river with a missed draw.

A lot of tags at these stakes would not bluff the river when missed. Against that type of player flatting here is a big mistake.

On the other hand if this player only raises boats on the turn like this, then shoving is obviously going to be a huge mistake and folding is correct.

Against the tags in the games I currently play, taking into account my image, I think shoving is slightly better. I get raised by draws and slowplayed AK on the turn and they aren't folding to a shove.

Some weak players even raise AQ for info and cheap showdown. They definitely aren't betting the river again.

u make some very good points, most based on opp types. whether opp will bluff missed draws on river and/or raise draws on turns.thanks for giving some additional input.

bit confused what the best line on this hand now is lol. funny it seems to me the hand could be a fold since most draws and flop made hands would probably raise flop.