Inception -- I came (for the spoilers)

[bigspenda73]

Just got back from seeing it in iMAX. Incredible movie imo. Great acting, awesome story, beautiful cinematography.

Thoughts?

[WildBobAA]

It was good, I'm seeing it again Wednesday.

[bigspenda73]

I have something for you to look for but I don't wanna spoil...

[kmind]

How much better do you think it'd be in iMAX as opposed to regular? I is poor but the special effects seem pretty cool.

[bigspenda73]

don't need iMAX imo, save your $4

def. see it at a nice theater tho

[Imthenewfish]

in b4 peneny

[Penneywize]

my GF saw this movie without telling me

any punishments in mind, FTR commune?

[Penneywize]

in b4 peneny

fu

[rong]

my GF saw this movie without telling me

any punishments in mind, FTR commune?

BUFU!

This can be interpreted as anal sex or unleashing Boog on her, but the latter may be a little ott

[Renton]

Yeah I want to see this too.

[Muzzard]

sucks that a screener hasn't been leaked yet

[Penneywize]

bufu!

This can be interpreted as anal sex or unleashing boog on her, but the latter may be a little ott

lol

[Donachello]

Awesome awesome movie. Would have been interesting to see it in imax 3d but even a normal theater was sick.

[fulksy]

yea it was definitely one of the best movies i've seen in a long time.

[blake86]

I'm going to see it tomorrow, however my issue with Leo movies is that he has a hard time living through them

[BooG690]

Can we please allow this thread to include spoilers? I'd like to discuss this movie without people bitching.

[Sup3rM4N]

Gonna watch it again...was amazing first time around.

[BooG690]

Please don't tell me I was the only one that disliked it. Wufwugy? Please?

[Sup3rM4N]

Please don't tell me I was the only one that disliked it. Wufwugy? Please?

Nub. Clearly your aquatic vertebrate brain did not allow you to comprehend the movie first time around. Wanna come with to watch again? I know the manager in steinway so tis shall be freeeee.

[BooG690]

I understood the entire movie and can explain anything in the movie. Every single part. Just because a movie is complicated, makes you think, and has a weak twist doesn't make it good.

[a500lbgorilla]

I don't know how I feel about the movie. It was an awesomely constructed world which was wholly engrossing and I would certainly like to see it for the first time again but I understand what you're saying.

Definitely worth seeing.

[boost]

*********ANYTHING POSTED BELOW THIS POST IS POTENTIALLY A SPOILER.**********

Theres been plenty of "it was great, must see" posts.. not really anything else to be said that doesnt include spoilers. So lets discuss.. someone edit the title.

[bigspenda73]

My biggest question was always about how he got to limbo at the end, was it b/c he was stabbed by his wife in the 3rd level or drowned in the van in the water in the 1st level? The fact that he washed up on the beach makes me think the latter.

[boost]

My biggest question was always about how he got to limbo at the end, was it b/c he was stabbed by his wife in the 3rd level or drowned in the van in the water in the 1st level? The fact that he washed up on the beach makes me think the latter.

Well no.. I think the level he got stabbed in WAS limbo. Thats where they went to find the mark. So I think he just had to go on an epic journey through the limbo to find the employer. Because remember, they were at the level that him and his wife had created, which was the lowest possible level.

One thing that did confuse me though.. dying in the upper levels while that deeply sedated caused you to be lost in limbo.. why couldnt you just simply commit suicide in limbo and then wake up? Thats what he and his wife did.. why would this change, and if it does change, what happens when you die in limbo? As a matter of fact, thats what he and his employer did... so why was it such a big deal to die while so deeply sedated if you all you had to do when you reached limbo is commit suicide?

To be fair, this is the only plot hole Ive stumbled across so far, and it still doesnt ruin the movie for me.. its a really solid screenplay, the best of its kind since the first matrix I think.

[fulksy]

My biggest question was always about how he got to limbo at the end, was it b/c he was stabbed by his wife in the 3rd level or drowned in the van in the water in the 1st level? The fact that he washed up on the beach makes me think the latter.

i think it was drowning in the van as well.

Robert and the Chinese guy, died in the same level, why when leo went down to find Robert was chinese guy not their as well? or was he, and leo didn't know because he died after leo had already went down. i figured maybe cause he was shot in the first level?

or had robert not actually died yet when cobb went down to get him? and only cobb and chinese guy actually died and were in limbo together?

[lolzzz_321]

boog can explain it to us

[bigspenda73]

I need to see it again b/c I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff or the thoughts I had

Well no.. I think the level he got stabbed in WAS limbo. Thats where they went to find the mark.

I agree but how did Ariadne (paige) get to limbo then?

One thing that did confuse me though.. dying in the upper levels while that deeply sedated caused you to be lost in limbo.. why couldnt you just simply commit suicide in limbo and then wake up? Thats what he and his wife did.. why would this change, and if it does change, what happens when you die in limbo? As a matter of fact, thats what he and his employer did... so why was it such a big deal to die while so deeply sedated if you all you had to do when you reached limbo is commit suicide?

this was my next question, eagerly awaiting boog's explanation. Also, why did it take them 50 years of limbo time to do so, I thought he mentioned at the very least he realized he wasn't in reality early, did it take him 50 years to convince his wife to kill herself? I doubt that's the case, he could have just murder-suicided them both out of the situation.

[Ash256]

Guys, am I right in thinking that because Limbo is a shared state described generally as subconscious unconstructed nothingness Saito, the mark and Ariadne went into Cobb's limbo (which happened to be constructed) as they had all been in dreams where Cobb was the host/architect? So therefore whilst if someone slipped into their own limbo, they would have no means to kill themselves as it was nothingness, in Cobb's constructed limbo they had the means to kill themselves? This would make sense as Saito and Cobb had shared a construction of Saito's office at the beginning.

Amazing film, the graphics were absolutely breathtaking.

[boost]

Guys, am I right in thinking that because Limbo is a shared state described generally as subconscious unconstructed nothingness Saito, the mark and Ariadne went into Cobb's limbo (which happened to be constructed) as they had all been in dreams where Cobb was the host/architect? So therefore whilst if someone slipped into their own limbo, they would have no means to kill themselves as it was nothingness, in Cobb's constructed limbo they had the means to kill themselves? This would make sense as Saito and Cobb had shared a construction of Saito's office at the beginning.

Amazing film, the graphics were absolutely breathtaking.

This seems like the only plausible answer, and I really have no issues with it except that it just wasnt really made clear at all. But yes, Saito and the mark could have both been essentially in purgatory until Cobb went down into limbo, bringing along with him his preconstructed limbo.

One other issue that comes up.. if Saito died in the snow level only minutes before Cobb and the girl went down into limbo, how is it that Saito aged so much in comparison to Cobb/the mark? Or did I not notice that Cobb was also aged by the time he made it to Saito's limbo stronghold?

[boost]

I need to see it again b/c I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff or the thoughts I had



I agree but how did Ariadne (paige) get to limbo then?

In the snow level both Cobb and Ariadne used the sedative pack thing to drop into limbo.

this was my next question, eagerly awaiting boog's explanation. Also, why did it take them 50 years of limbo time to do so, I thought he mentioned at the very least he realized he wasn't in reality early, did it take him 50 years to convince his wife to kill herself? I doubt that's the case, he could have just murder-suicided them both out of the situation.

Just because he noticed something was amiss does not mean he wasn't enjoying the dream. But at a certain point he realized that they could not stay there. Yes he could have just killed her, but this had been his (and her) reality for a long long time by the time he made the decision to wake up. So even if you knew it was not real, the act of murdering your wife when she was convinced it was real would just be far to traumatic. I think anyone would want to convince their wife that its not reality instead of killing her. And thats where inception came into play.. she was just too far gone for any type of reasoning.

[Hawk]

Saw it last night, yeah amazing!!

One other issue that comes up.. if Saito died in the snow level only minutes before Cobb and the girl went down into limbo, how is it that Saito aged so much in comparison to Cobb/the mark?

I assumed this was part of time slowing more and more the deeper you went.

[BooG690]

One other issue that comes up.. if Saito died in the snow level only minutes before Cobb and the girl went down into limbo, how is it that Saito aged so much in comparison to Cobb/the mark? Or did I not notice that Cobb was also aged by the time he made it to Saito's limbo stronghold?

Saito entered limbo way before any of the other guys. They get old quickly down there.

Guys, am I right in thinking that because Limbo is a shared state described generally as subconscious unconstructed nothingness Saito, the mark and Ariadne went into Cobb's limbo (which happened to be constructed) as they had all been in dreams where Cobb was the host/architect? So therefore whilst if someone slipped into their own limbo, they would have no means to kill themselves as it was nothingness, in Cobb's constructed limbo they had the means to kill themselves? This would make sense as Saito and Cobb had shared a construction of Saito's office at the beginning.

Limbo MUST be able to be constructed, deconstructed, and reconstructed, no? I mean, Cobb did it. The difference between Cobb & Ellen Page and Fischer & Saito is that Saito & Fischer were dead one level up. If you're dead in the world (or dream) above, you can't just kill yourself in limbo and all of a sudden have your heart start beating again.

I find it crazy (and mind-blowing) that if the top indeed continued spinning at the end, this would require us to add a whole other level of analysis to our current analysis. My friend wants to watch this movie and I may give it another chance. This time, however, I will most likely be high.

[fulksy]

i think the top countinued to spin, because when he saw his children they were exactly the same as in his memory. i assume he was gone for quite a while and his children had not aged at all, they were wearing the same clothes and in the same spot as his previous memory.

[BooG690]

i think the top countinued to spin, because when he saw his children they were exactly the same as in his memory. i assume he was gone for quite a while and his children had not aged at all, they were wearing the same clothes and in the same spot as his previous memory.

I agree. We almost know for a fact that the top continued to spin...but the director dude must've left it out for SOME reason. A shade of doubt.

[boost]

I think the top fell.. it was just a fun taunt to the audience at the end to not actually show it fall. Also, how would you show it falling? It seems that either the camera shoots back to it and its already laying on its side, or you dont show it. If you show it still spinning for a while AND show it fall.. idk.. thats just lame.

As for his children not aging, this is another thing I will look for tonight when I see it in imax. But I think you have to realize that his absence could have been fairly short. From him we got the impression that it was an eternity... but for him it was. In reality though it could have been all within a year or two tops.

[boost]

As for Saito entering limbo way before the others... I dont think so. If 10 minutes had passed in the real world, or even in the first level, that should be long enough to age him like that. But 10.. at most 20 minutes elapsed in the snow level, which should only be days or weeks.. maybe months, but not years and certainly not decades when you go only one level down.

[BooG690]

Remember, wounds get BETTER as you go up levels. If he died in the snow level, I'm sure he croaked up in the van.

[bigspenda73]

it doesn't matter if the top fell or not guys, when he sees his kids faces he has accepted the world he is in to be his reality

[BooG690]

Right, that's obviously the point...

...but there's STILL the mystery of whether it did or not.

[boost]

Remember, wounds get BETTER as you go up levels. If he died in the snow level, I'm sure he croaked up in the van.

lets clear this up. Going DOWN in levels is to go in the direction of limbo. Going UP in levels is to go in the direction of reality.

So anyways, I just figured that when he died in one level, he died in them all. So if he died 15 minutes before Cobb and the girl entered limbo on the snow level, then in the van he died just a tiny fraction of a second before they entered limbo. I could be wrong in assuming that when you die in any level you die in them all, but thats the assumption I'm making.

[BooG690]

I like the assumption. And I apologize for not differentiating my directions. :P

[Donachello]

About the top at the end, it was definitely wobbling which was something it never did in the dreams. I would have liked more explanation of what the other "super company" was that kept being referenced. Like in the beginning when saito finds cobb there was talk of being deep in "someone's territory" what was that about?

[boost]

I like the assumption. And I apologize for not differentiating my directions. :P

well its not that referring to the direction of limbo as up is wrong. However I think a precedent has been made in this thread (by me?) to refer to it as down. It could have just as well been referred to as up for the first time in this thread. So no apologies needed, just want to make sure we don't mind fuck ourselves on a silly detail.

[BooG690]

About the top at the end, it was definitely wobbling which was something it never did in the dreams.

The camera never really stayed on the top long enough to see it stay or fall. In the confirmed dreams, they stayed up...but in the "reality"...yeah.

[boost]

About the top at the end, it was definitely wobbling which was something it never did in the dreams. I would have liked more explanation of what the other "super company" was that kept being referenced. Like in the beginning when saito finds cobb there was talk of being deep in "someone's territory" what was that about?

I don't think anything more needs to be said. The existence of a corporate tycoon as powerful as saito, the mark, and the company that Cobb failed is all just creating a near future world in which corporations are increasingly powerful. This is a popular theme in near future science fiction; corporations that have replaced or at least rival the worlds governments. The screenplay just chose to paint this picture in a less direct and more subtle way.

[a500lbgorilla]

The spinning top falling or not would only matter if there were more movie, but there was no more movie.

It doesn't matter which it did. Either he's happy with his children in the meatspace, or he's happy with his children in dreamland. The latter would only last for as long as it takes him to check his dradle.

[BooG690]

The latter would only last for as long as it takes him to check his dradle.

He was JEWISH!?!?!?! Oh, this changes everything.

[a500lbgorilla]

He was JEWISH!?!?!?! Oh, this changes everything.

Guy runs around stealing secrets from hard-working Christians, right under their noses. What else could he have been?

[surviva316]

My friend wants to watch this movie and I may give it another chance. This time, however, I will most likely be high.

woah, this better be referring to me. or do you just go around whoring yourself for pot and movie screenings?

[BooG690]

woah, this better be referring to me. or do you just go around whoring yourself for pot and movie screenings?

You said no. You said your head would asplode too much if you watched it high, fag...

[lolzzz_321]

[a500lbgorilla]

I thought it was laugh out loud funny here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1959169

But here, now, I'm just rolling on the floor physically laughing my bottom off.

[bigspenda73]

there were probably 4-5 rofl lines during the movie, Nolan likes to throw in some funny stuff and it catches you completely off guard

[lolzzz_321]

[bigspenda73]

ok that one got me pretty good

[Hawk]

YouTube - Inception Music Comparison

Must watch.

[BooG690]

YouTube - Inception Music Comparison

Must watch.

Wow. Quite epic. Not gonna lie.

[boost]

ya, thats pretty awesome indeed.

[Ash256]

wow, it's stuff like that i fucking love about music and art in general

[surviva316]

this interpretation seems wholly plausible to me:

The Hidden ‘Inception’ Within Inception -- Vulture

[Jack Sawyer]

Didn't everyone need his or her own token? If so, how in the hell does Leonardo's character end up with Mol's token, the spinning thing that never stops spinning when it's a dream? Unless the whole thing (movie) was an nth (limbo) level dream in the first place, it does not compute.

[boost]

Didn't everyone need his or her own token? If so, how in the hell does Leonardo's character end up with Mol's token? Unless the whole thing (movie) was an nth (limbo) level dream in the first place, it does not compute.

he picked up her toaken in the hotel room before she took a dive. He probably had his own toaken at this point, but decided to use Mal's for obvious sentimental reasons.

[Jack Sawyer]

But you were not allowed to touch other's tokens ever; wasn't that one of the first tests he cooked up for Ariadne?

[oomike01]

He fucked up I think he also fucked up (maybe not ) when he told his wife to kill herself. do we have wah wah music.
found it

Sad Trombone

[boost]

But you were not allowed to touch other's tokens ever; wasn't that one of the first tests he cooked up for Ariadne?

I'm not sure I completely get the totem thing either, but I think you have one specific backwards. Your totem is yours and yours alone. You are not to let anyone else handle your totem. You can mess with anyone elses totem, its up to them to keep it to themselves.

[Hawk]

Another interesting theory...it's ALL a dream
NEVER WAKE UP: THE MEANING AND SECRET OF INCEPTION

[BooG690]

We spoke about this with the top not falling at the end of the movie.

[Hawk]

Did you read it? According to this it's ALL a dream. This has nothing to do with the top at the end.

I believe that Inception is a dream to the point where even the dream-sharing stuff is a dream. Dom Cobb isn't an extractor. He can't go into other people's dreams.

[WildBobAA]

I'm not sure I completely get the totem thing either, but I think you have one specific backwards. Your totem is yours and yours alone. You are not to let anyone else handle your totem. You can mess with anyone elses totem, its up to them to keep it to themselves.

The purpose of the totems was to allow the dreamers to determine if they were in a dream at the present time or in reality. Example: Arthur's totem was a loaded die. We can assume that when rolled in the real world, it would roll the same number every time. Say that Arthur entered Cobb's dream. Well Cobb knew Arthur had a loaded die, but he didn't know which number it was loaded to. So if Arthur was in Cobb's dream, we can assume that the loaded die would behave like a normal die. This would allow Arthur to determine if he was in a dream by rolling the die. If Cobb got his hands on the die in the real world, then Arthur would have to find a new totem.

[boost]

The purpose of the totems was to allow the dreamers to determine if they were in a dream at the present time or in reality. Example: Arthur's totem was a loaded die. We can assume that when rolled in the real world, it would roll the same number every time. Say that Arthur entered Cobb's dream. Well Cobb knew Arthur had a loaded die, but he didn't know which number it was loaded to. So if Arthur was in Cobb's dream, we can assume that the loaded die would behave like a normal die. This would allow Arthur to determine if he was in a dream by rolling the die. If Cobb got his hands on the die in the real world, then Arthur would have to find a new totem.

but how do you know if you are dreaming or not if its your own dream?

[WildBobAA]

My only theory on this is that people are more aware that they are in a dream when it is there own. When Cobb and Ariadne are in a dream for the first time, Cobb tells Ariadne to not build dreams from real places. It seems that if you avoid doing this, you'll be aware that you're in your own dream.

[boost]

My only theory on this is that people are more aware that they are in a dream when it is there own. When Cobb and Ariadne are in a dream for the first time, Cobb tells Ariadne to not build dreams from real places. It seems that if you avoid doing this, you'll be aware that you're in your own dream.

ahh, ok fair enough.

[dranger7070]

Just went and watched this high the other night. Mind exploded many many times. BooG is a confirmed Nazi/Commie bastard.

[surviva316]

Another interesting theory...it's ALL a dream
NEVER WAKE UP: THE MEANING AND SECRET OF INCEPTION

even though you're right, boog, in the sense that this article doesn't add that much to the plot explanation ('cause we already addressed the theory that the whole movie is a dream), this article is a must read as it's a very good thematic interpretation.

everyone and their mom has already encountered the blunt theme throughout the movie that dreams=life=dreams=life, but this adds the meta-fictional element to it that really really makes this movie make sense thematically (and in a way, makes figuring out every plot detail quite a bit lower stakes).

that is that:

movie=dreams=life=movie=life=dreams and so forth.

i'm not CERTAIN that this article's interpretation and the article i posted's explanation are mutually exclusive, but i certainly like this article A LOT more.

[spoonitnow]

The spinning top falling or not would only matter if there were more movie, but there was no more movie.

It doesn't matter which it did. Either he's happy with his children in the meatspace, or he's happy with his children in dreamland. The latter would only last for as long as it takes him to check his dradle.

Saw this yesterday. Was clearly irl at the end. He was always wearing his wedding ring in the dreams, but never irl. At the end he wasn't wearing his wedding ring.

Also, I would fuck Ellen Page until she cried.