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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsieur_chat View Post
    Yeah, because Islam is the only religion which says that women are second class citizens. I mean it's not like Orthodox Jewish men wake up every morning and thank god they weren't created a woman or the bible commands women to "submit yourselves unto your own husbands" or anything is it... Oh... Hang on...

    And I'm not even going to dignify the notion that ANY religion is anything BUT ultra conservative.
    Sure the bible might be sexist (i dont actually know but it wouldnt surprise me) but christianity and as far as i can tell judaism in practice are not as repressive to women. Religion is more than just its bible (thank god), its the entire culture of its followers. I see and hear things about muslim women that sound horrible, and i dont about other religions. Also, despite ultra conservative roots, lots of other religions manage a lot of cheerfulness and charity. Singing and dancing, shit like that.

    Galapogos, theres nothing wrong with debate. Renton is saying what he thinks as am i, does it scare you?

    Im friends with people from various religions including islam, disliking islam doesnt mean i have to judge people based on it either. My source of info is western media, tv/news/internet etc. so im open to arguments from people with better experience.

    The whole mosque thing isnt that bad but poor taste sums it up imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbiz View Post
    I see and hear things about muslim women that sound horrible, and i dont about other religions.
    Blame the media imo.
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    I am pleasantly surprised to find a moral and intellectual side to the adolescent, testosterone-laden, sexually-depraved bunch of miscreants who normally troll this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleTruths View Post
    adolescent, testosterone-laden, sexually-depraved bunch of miscreants who normally troll this forum.
    You do realize that probably 80% of that miscreantism is tongue-in-cheek, right?

    The rest is dranger (just kidding, buddy...being a miscreant...love you...)
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    You do realize that probably 80% of that miscreantism is tongue-in-cheek, right?
    yo....as was my comment, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    Also, the christian wackos don't carry out suicide attacks like the islamic wackos.
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    Yes i know that all religions are wack,

    Once again though, to compare the barbarism of islam to christianity IN CIRCA 2010 is (it pains me to say) pretty unfair to christianity.
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    May as well open up a taliban store in the London underground selling fun, replica merchandise of bombs. It's not a problem, because if your against it, your racist!
    This is literally the most retarded post I've read on FTR this year. At least the porn spammer bots have the excuse of being artificial intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    My argument here is that islamic culture is still in a barbaric mindset of circa 1500 ad, but christianity has toned it down immensely since then.

    i mean they still fucking stone people
    ....but you live in America. You electricute people. And have some of the worst records of humans rights records of any civilised country.
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    Pretty extreme difference between electrocuting a serial killer who failed 12 years worth of appeals and stoning a chick for adultery after almost no appeals process.
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    I hate all forms of religion. At least the muslims know how to treat bitches right
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    Quote Originally Posted by willburforce View Post
    and have some of the worst records of humans rights records of any civilised country.
    lol wat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    ...and stoning a chick for adultery after almost no appeals process.
    uh....you mean, those women had some kind of appeals process???
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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleTruths View Post
    uh....you mean, those women had some kind of appeals process???
    "Please don't stone me" is technically an appeal? Crying is what we call a non-verbal appeal?
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    Is there some kind of special award we can give to BensonTheRoad for services to glibness?

    "Commune King of Keeping It Real" perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    lol wat?!
    islam didn't do that, some muslims did. Big difference.
    some christians dropped a second nuke on japan after the war was over. Hell, some christians did some pretty bad shit a few years back (google - the crusades) yet we find churches everywhere.
    I think your logic is flawed/fucked.
    The big difference is it wasn't motivated by religion.
    You're thinking of people who are born into a religion, practice the rites but don't really give a shit about what it really means. The vast majority of people who call themselves christians aren't really christians by any definition of the word.
    True christianity is just as poisonous as Islam, but Muslims are in general much more devoted to their believe system.

    What I'm saying is that we shouldn't just silently tolerate the spread of islam under the pretense of political correctness. If they are promoting degradation of women, intolerance against infidels and islamic law we have every right to disagree and interfere.
    There has been quite a surge of moslemic turks to austria, and I welcome like whoever... but you can't open a sunday newspaper without reading about another case of someone slaughtering a family member for disrespecting their retarded laws. And there are thousands of women and children living in fear and oppression because of their stupid religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevster View Post
    Is there some kind of special award we can give to BensonTheRoad for services to glibness?

    "Commune King of Keeping It Real" perhaps.
    Yeah, I'm into the whole brevity thing, man. I'm crucial in the commune to balance out wufwugy.
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    I've been much more succinct lately

    Your mom has as well
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    I've been much more succinct lately

    Your mom has as well
    She calls you brief as opposed to succinct.
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    Ya, I'm pretty crammed for time as I have several appointments with FTR mothers
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    Fucking brilliant. Shame most of the imbeciles protesting will never flick the channel from Fox News and see this.

    I also feel sorry for Obama for the flack he received for backing the plans, *in accordance with US law*. It amazes me, your (admirable) constitution separates church and state and espouses freedom of religious practice and yet people somehow expect politicians, including the man in charge, to negate this law because of their own shortsighted prejudices.

    Then again I doubt Obama's surprised. Two and a half years ago America elected it's most intelligent, thoughtful and promising president in a long time having endured eight years of horror under GWB, and now there's serious talk of him losing the next election. Astonishing.
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    Bitches always be tryin' to take my atheist manifesto away from me.
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    I wish he said why Keith was wrong. All Glenn did was mockery.
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    "All I need to know"?

    Sorry, all I learned from that clip is that Glenn Beck doesn't like Keith Olbermann very much. Oh and that he's a massive fucking tool.
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    50 cent sells tons of albums... doesn't mean he makes good music. But then, here we are trying to present a logical rebuttal to Glenn Beck...
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    Why did people like Keith Olbermann's comment? That Nazi introduction was needlessly melodramatic and completely unconvincing. I was all set to make a comment about how embarrassing it must be to lose an argument to Glenn Beck...then I watched the Glenn Beck video. Wow, that's the last time I ever listen to that creep talk.
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    Meh...we're a few steps away from stuffing Muslims into camps, kinda like we did to the Japanese back in 1942.
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    I felt the same way about the Olbermann bit. Even though I agree with him, his act makes him less convincing. I don't watch him, so I don't know if that's how he normally is, but he comes off as nothing more than a liberal Beck.

    Then Beck made me lol and Olbermann didn't look so bad. I'll never understand how anyone can take this guy seriously.
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    +1 on the olbermann haters. It's like the flyers around town the international socialists put up- even if what you have to say is valid when you make it sound so extreme and so much like propaganda I'm just gonna ignore it.
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    Did you guys listen to what Olbermann said?

    The commonly accepted rule that the first to make comparison to nazi's in a debate loses by default does not apply here. He used a quote that was sourced from the holocaust. The quote is about how when someone else has their rights trampled on, it may not seem to affect you, but in given time it will. He even went out of his way to point out that he was not calling anyone a nazi, nor was he comparing the possible denial of a building permit to the suffering of the Jews in the holocaust.

    Was it a bit over the top and dramatic? Ya, I guess.. but this is editorial video journalism.. what did you expect?
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    Yeah, and like I said, I don't disagree with him. It's not even just the nazi thing, it's the over the top and dramatic thing that bothers me. He's right. He doesn't need to stoop to that level to make his point.

    It just makes his points less convincing imo. It's the same thing that makes me dislike Beck without even taking in consideration the dumbass things he actually says.
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    Reasonable people are often too quick to reject strong analogies. The Nazi stuff is spot on. The Third Reich wishes they had as sophisticated a propaganda machine as Rupert Murdoch, and the only difference between Limbaugh and Radio Rwanda is circumstance

    Godwin's Law has nothing to do with the merits of an argument, but is a humorous observation that the longer a debate goes, the more likely it becomes that somebody mentions Nazis. People have confused themselves into thinking that Nazi comparisons are somehow bad. I'll do it all day, and I'll be 100% right. Republicans are fascist scumbag hatemongering bigoted corporate-lapdog propagandists responsible for the proxy suffering of hundreds of millions. Not ONE of those descriptions is untrue.

    Hitler needed an entire nation on the verge of total collapse in order to propagandize the populace. FOX and the GOP have been getting the job done during times of great prosperity. Hitler would look upon Roger Ailes, Lee Atwater, and Limbaugh with awe

    Olbermann's analogy is spot on. This is how this stuff happens. In fact, Olbermann's analogy is way too soft. These fuckheads are deliberately rejecting The First Amendment. This is the Holy Grail of the US Constitution. Fuck them and the horse they rode in on, and if Jefferson was alive today he'd make a much stronger analogy, one where he compares FOX/GOP to the Redcoats, which was enough for them to find the enemy and thrust a bayonet into their chests

    This shit is serious. It's not like the Nazis weren't voted into power by people no different than the teabaggers. We've confused ourselves into letting the stigma of the concentration camps keep us from calling an apple an apple
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    Cliff Notes:

    [ ] Mosque
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    And that's why Republican propaganda is so successful. Deny rights (freedom of religion), get called out on it, incorrectly claim own rights are being denied (freedom of speech), throw tantrum until agenda achieved
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    It's a shame that this one center for cultural retardation has sparked this debate. Because there's a lot of good arguments to be made on either side, but this way it's going to be way too emotional. Those who oppose will be pinmarked as being fear mongering nazis, because a good chunk of them are.

    My real issue with islam is islam as a political movement. It's not just all about worship - if it were, there would be no debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    there are zero good arguments to be made on the wrong side
    FYP. This isn't some kind of debate. Every single detail is a pure propaganda move based entirely on lies and political maneuvering.
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    yeah after thinking more, this mosque is great in that it encourages americas to consider how far gone from they are from the ideals of their constitution and fucked up they are in cherry picking shit from it and ignoring the rest to suit whatever bigotry of the day is in vogue. a mosque welcome near ground zero would actually be a victory vs the silyl tarrists on the other side of the world

    edit: i dont mean to sound america bashing, australia is pretty much as bad at the moment, we just dont have a constitution to compare the current state of society to. im sick of all this ultra conservative fearful politicking in both countries. even the good ones (obama) are to self defensive to really stick their neck out and risk their job by standing up for what they believe in
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    I find this subject depressing. A few months ago when European governments were banning minarets and burqas I thought, we have our share of problems, but at least this is something that wouldn't happen here. Most likely, it still won't because we have the First Amendment, but I can't say I'm as confident anymore.
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    Fighting religious oppression with political subjugation is not super smart, I give you that. As a religious group let them do whatever. Word has it that some women actually wear the burka out of freewill. idk that all of them are so lucky. The idea behind a burka ban is to empower the women who cannot make that choice. Realistically they are more likely to be locked up in their homes for as long as they stay in that country... so again, not the best move, but I digress.

    The minaret ban thing afaik is just that. There are architectural restrictions in certain parts of the city, just so it doesn't become a total clusterfuck. As far as I'm aware they are still allowed to build mosques like wherever and are free to place their minarets a couple of miles down the road. Same goes for churches. They aren't building them with bell towers in the inner city anymore because they aren't allowed to ring them anyway. Where was the international press when that passed? Fuck the catholic church, amirite.

    The moment a decision based on sharia law is passed in a court in this country is when I will openly stand against those medival fuckheads who are behind that (not generalizing all muslims, just the fuckheads). That was a year ago - basic wife beating. Husband acquitted because it was his right based on the set of laws that his wife agreed to live by when she was force married to him.
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    Yeah I was about to say, a burqa ban is about a little more than just simple bigotry.
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    That was hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    That was hilarious.
    That's because Charlie Brooker is the daddeh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkfan79 View Post
    Yeah, and like I said, I don't disagree with him. It's not even just the nazi thing, it's the over the top and dramatic thing that bothers me. He's right. He doesn't need to stoop to that level to make his point.

    It just makes his points less convincing imo. It's the same thing that makes me dislike Beck without even taking in consideration the dumbass things he actually says.
    What you guys are all missing is that the exact same analogy has been used ad nauseum by all the Tea Party nutjobs for months and months now to stir fears about Obama's "socialist agenda". Olberman used it on purpose in a correct context to directly take a stab at them.
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    That's because Charlie Brooker is the daddeh.
    Yep. Charlie Brooker FTW.
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    Location matters. Ground zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed.


    Of course that strain represents only a minority of Muslims. Islam is no more intrinsically Islamist than present-day Germany is Nazi -- yet despite contemporary Germany's innocence, no German of good will would even think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.

    That's why Disney's early '90s proposal to build an American history theme park near Manassas Battlefield was defeated by a broad coalition fearing vulgarization of the Civil War. It's why the commercial viewing tower built right on the border of Gettysburg was taken down by the Park Service. It's why while no one objects to Japanese cultural centers, the idea of putting one up at Pearl Harbor would be offensive

    And why Pope John Paul II ordered the Carmelite nuns to leave the convent they had established at Auschwitz. He was in no way devaluing their heartfelt mission to pray for the souls of the dead. He was teaching them a lesson in respect: This is not your place, it belongs to others. However pure your voice, better to let silence reign.

    Quite honestly, the radicals that actually strap on the vest and blow people up may be few but I really am tired of the poor, mistreated muslim talk. The religion of Islam is far from accepting and loving.

    One must look with open eyes at the religion itself. The principal mosque in Rome has a surface area of 30,000 square meters and can hold thousands of believers. The Christian church of Mecca has a surface area of zero square meters and can hold zero believers. In fact, there is no Christian church in Mecca. In other words, Rome is an open city and Mecca is a closed city.

    There has never been opposition by Muslims to the exclusive character of Mecca. Their main sanctuary is located there, and it is forbidden for non-believers to cross the city limits. No other sanctuary of any world religion is closed to members of different creeds. The Western Wall in Jerusalem, the Jews’ holiest site, can be visited by anyone — Muslims, Christians, or Buddhists. The Basilica of Saint Peter in the Vatican, the center of the Roman Catholic religion, is open to any person that wishes to visit its splendor. Hindu and Buddhist temples welcome anyone who walks in, but not the Muslims’ main mosque.

    Muslims claim that their religion contains the final message of God and that all other religions express falsehoods, lies, and distortions — which means that adherents to other religions cannot be accepted as equal human beings with the same rights. Churches are banned in Saudi Arabia. In “modern” Turkey, it is, in reality, impossible to renovate an old Christian church, let alone create one. In a traditional Islamic country, adherents of different religions who refuse to accept Muhammad as their prophet have to live a life with restrictions and special rules. They are the so-called “dhimmis” — people who believe in a single God but who should be treated with special restrictions because of their refusal to follow the prophet Muhammad.

    All I am saying is let's not paint Islam as a model of peace and understanding. They aren't Buddihist for God's sake.
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    Great post, that's pretty much exactly what I was trying to say but couldn't really articulate.

    The obvious counter-argument to that is to say that "well this is America, damnit, and we subject ourselves to higher standards than that of Islam dominated countries." I think thats the argument 90% of the people in this thread are making. And a big part of me agrees with that argument.

    This issue kind of reminds me of the airport security racial profiling debate. To me it's silly to ban profiling. An airport screener should definitely give more attention to someone wearing full towel regalia (ITS NOT RACIST TO SAY THAT PHRASE, ITS JUST FUNNY), as empirical data on terrorism has shown that they are primarily people of middle eastern descent. Yeah it sucks that an entire group of people in this country has to wait a couple more minutes at airports than the rest of us, but that's just life. Deal with it. It's better than downgrading the performance of airport security just to be a bit more tolerant. Of course, the argument is moot anyway because having copious amounts of security at an airport is pretty pointless. If people really care enough to cause an incident, they'll get the job done.
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    So Deuce Blue is suggesting we run America similar to how Mecca is run? Or what was the point of even bringing that up? "Oh look, no other religions are allowed there..." so we shouldn't allow them here, amirite!?!?!
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    He's not suggesting that at all. He's merely pointing out the irony in the fact that the most intolerant, oppressive, and prohibitive major religion in the world is demanding acceptance.
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    K. It's ironic.

    Sadly, it doesn't do much for the argument.
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    Sounds like he's suggesting we should treat them eye for an eye. Maybe also train some holy soldiers at bible camp to go blow themselves up downtown Tehran or Dubai or whichever terrorist muslim country.
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    Well according to a completely laissez faire point of view, there simply is no counter argument, so what else can one say really except that they think Islam is tehgay and that they shouldn't have a suicide bomber factory installed near WTC?
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    And again, let me remind you all that IT'S NOT ON OR IN GROUND ZERO. You may say it's in proximity, but then we have to define "in proximity." Maybe Muslims shouldn't be allowed to be on Manhattan island at all, right?
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    It's obviously a judgement call what constitutes "near ground zero." I think it sucks too how this issue was cleverly framed by the right wing manipulators that a muslim community center with a prayer room several blocks from ground zero was spun into a "ground zero mosque."

    I do though find it kind of funny that people's arguments are simply marginalizing the concept of a ground zero mosque, instead of doing what they should be doing and going the libertarian angle.

    It seems to me like strongest argument is just to say "hey this is america, let people do what they want so long as it isn't against the law." Once you cave in and start talking about the fact that its not REALLY even a mosque and its not REALLY even that close, aren't you kind of arguing at their inferior level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Blue View Post
    Location matters. Ground zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed.


    Of course that strain represents only a minority of Muslims. Islam is no more intrinsically Islamist than present-day Germany is Nazi -- yet despite contemporary Germany's innocence, no German of good will would even think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.

    That's why Disney's early '90s proposal to build an American history theme park near Manassas Battlefield was defeated by a broad coalition fearing vulgarization of the Civil War. It's why the commercial viewing tower built right on the border of Gettysburg was taken down by the Park Service. It's why while no one objects to Japanese cultural centers, the idea of putting one up at Pearl Harbor would be offensive

    And why Pope John Paul II ordered the Carmelite nuns to leave the convent they had established at Auschwitz. He was in no way devaluing their heartfelt mission to pray for the souls of the dead. He was teaching them a lesson in respect: This is not your place, it belongs to others. However pure your voice, better to let silence reign.

    Quite honestly, the radicals that actually strap on the vest and blow people up may be few but I really am tired of the poor, mistreated muslim talk. The religion of Islam is far from accepting and loving.

    One must look with open eyes at the religion itself. The principal mosque in Rome has a surface area of 30,000 square meters and can hold thousands of believers. The Christian church of Mecca has a surface area of zero square meters and can hold zero believers. In fact, there is no Christian church in Mecca. In other words, Rome is an open city and Mecca is a closed city.

    There has never been opposition by Muslims to the exclusive character of Mecca. Their main sanctuary is located there, and it is forbidden for non-believers to cross the city limits. No other sanctuary of any world religion is closed to members of different creeds. The Western Wall in Jerusalem, the Jews’ holiest site, can be visited by anyone — Muslims, Christians, or Buddhists. The Basilica of Saint Peter in the Vatican, the center of the Roman Catholic religion, is open to any person that wishes to visit its splendor. Hindu and Buddhist temples welcome anyone who walks in, but not the Muslims’ main mosque.

    Muslims claim that their religion contains the final message of God and that all other religions express falsehoods, lies, and distortions — which means that adherents to other religions cannot be accepted as equal human beings with the same rights. Churches are banned in Saudi Arabia. In “modern” Turkey, it is, in reality, impossible to renovate an old Christian church, let alone create one. In a traditional Islamic country, adherents of different religions who refuse to accept Muhammad as their prophet have to live a life with restrictions and special rules. They are the so-called “dhimmis” — people who believe in a single God but who should be treated with special restrictions because of their refusal to follow the prophet Muhammad.

    All I am saying is let's not paint Islam as a model of peace and understanding. They aren't Buddihist for God's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    It's obviously a judgement call what constitutes "near ground zero." I think it sucks too how this issue was cleverly framed by the right wing manipulators that a muslim community center with a prayer room several blocks from ground zero was spun into a "ground zero mosque."
    Nutballs - This is holy, hallowed ground!
    Realistically inclined - What?
    Nutballs - NO MOSQUE! NO MOSQUE! NO MOSQUE!
    Realistically inclined - Hmm... Maybe I'll get some reading done tonight.

    It seems to me like strongest argument is just to say "hey this is america, let people do what they want so long as it isn't against the law." Once you cave in and start talking about the fact that its not REALLY even a mosque and its not REALLY even that close, aren't you kind of arguing at their inferior level?
    It's akin to saying evolution is fact to creationists. I'd love for everyone to ignore this lousy issue and move on to something with substance. What's your opinion on this: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es-182098.html
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    I am far from trying to use an eye for an eye argument. The Muslims have mosqes all over New York City. They even have one close enough now to be considered in whatever the "ground zero" range is. No one is trying to stop them from building the center. Many just feel a 13 story Muslim cultural center is just a little in the face. Some of that may have to do with the man behind it.

    A man that said shortly after the 9/11 attacks:"I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened,” and who has refused to recognize Hamas or Hezbollah as terrorist organizations. Also the originally planned name of The Cordoba House as it relates to Muslim history set the tone for the victory mosque debate. We must come to understand its inferred meaning and to do that we must understand a period of violent Muslim aggression, circa 711AD, that established the Emirate and Caliphate of Cordoba.

    Now all this being said I have no hatred of Muslim people or the religion of Islam. But the problem is the so-called moderate Muslims from around the world react to the horrors of terrorism perpetrated in the name of their religion and through the hands of barbarians with grotesque indifference. And, instead of taking the lead in expunging radical elements from within their own religious community, instead of calling for a reformation of the Islamic religion to exclude all violent, anti-Semitic and dominant language in an effort to embrace the peaceful tenets of the Islamic dogma, so-called moderate Muslims do nothing but hide behind the disingenuous spin of organizations run by closeted fundamentalists like the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

    Lets take this to another level. Lets say the Westboro Baptist Church wanted to open a new church at ground zero. Now I know a good many would shout that idea into the ground because they are nothing but a hate group operating under a perverted image of religion.And I really doubt I would hear all this talk of discrimination and religious freedom. Well folks, its about time the moderate Muslims step up to the plate and do the same with with the radical element in their midst.

    If the true effort of this is to bridge the gap and heal and all that jazz yet so many people find this offensive (right or wrong as that might be), why not just let it drop. Build elswhere. Because I hate to tell you folks this isn't bringing anyone closer together.

    I cannot find fault in people that lost loved ones not wanting a mosque that close to ground zero when the man in charge of the project (and millions of so called moderate Muslims) will not stand up and condemn the evil that is radical Islam.
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    A man that said shortly after the 9/11 attacks:"I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened,”
    Ron Paul?

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    Now all this being said I have no hatred of Muslim people or the religion of Islam.
    But you do have something towards the Muslim people and the religion of Islam. It shines through in your last two posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Blue View Post
    Lets take this to another level. Lets say the Westboro Baptist Church wanted to open a new church at ground zero. Now I know a good many would shout that idea into the ground because they are nothing but a hate group operating under a perverted image of religion.And I really doubt I would hear all this talk of discrimination and religious freedom. Well folks, its about time the moderate Muslims step up to the plate and do the same with with the radical element in their midst..
    1stly, if the Westboro Baptist Church wanted to take claim to a church two blocks from ground zero, they'd do it. They're so well versed in the law and so capable in the courtroom, they'll have no problems. Awesome, that's America.

    2ndly, What percentage of WBC people are wingnut crazy? What percentage of Muslims are terrorists?
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