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    Default 50nl, river decision in 3b pot with KK

    Villain in this hand was playing ~16/12 thru a very small sample. Pre is not standard, but do you guys have a huge problem with it? I was thinking before the river what I'd do if an Ace hit...came to the conclusion that I didn't know

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    UTG+1 ($50)
    MP1 ($63.75)
    MP2 ($49.50)
    Hero (MP3) ($50)
    CO ($50.40)
    Button ($89.80)
    SB ($17.25)
    BB ($50)
    UTG ($67.70)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K
    4 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50

    Flop: ($10.75) 7, 7, 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

    Turn: ($23.75) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks

    River: ($23.75) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $13.50, Hero ???
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    pre IS standard
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    pre is fine, flop check is standard. I don't like flop c-call, with a plan to check turn tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    I don't like flop c-call, with a plan to check turn tho.
    can you explain this?



    what is a typical reg's 3bet/get it in range pre?
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    you don't 4b pre cos you want to keep in a wider range of hands you're ahead of. Once the flop comes you're feeling pretty good. Checking flop is standard as he will c-bet his entire range, you can either c-raise here or you can c-call and bet the turn. Betting the turn will induce spaz a bunch, he will call his overpairs to the board, and he may even call AK. Thing about your line up until this point is that you scream JJ/QQ, so he's checking behind that turn with all that nice sub-range that you want value from - including QQ/AK.

    oh, as played river is a fold.
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    <m2mgrind> agree cept donking turn is pretty unbalanced
    <m2mgrind> but since we prolly arent playing much with this guy
    <m2mgrind> given the player pool at 50nl
    <m2mgrind> seems fine
    <daven> cool, thought so
    <daven> flop c-raise is kinda cool too
    <m2mgrind> yea id prolly c/r often
    <m2mgrind> c/c is fine tho ofc
    <m2mgrind> c/mr is best
    <m2mgrind> i think
    <daven> c-mr then donk turn 1/3 or something
    <m2mgrind> lol
    <m2mgrind> yesssss
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    daven I should probably also mention that from my experience at 50nl FR if you take a 'goofy' line against your average reg they will flip the fuck out.

    so given that, c/min raise flop - gay lead turn if called probably stacks ace king more often than one would think.
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    c/mr/gaybet sounds awesome here
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    Pre ISNOT standart, default here is always to 4B-call

    now, if you know more about your villian - aka that he 3B-folds a TON as a bluff from the BUvsHJ + loves to barrel postflop, you can start slowplaying KK preflop+postflop, and C/C him down on most dry flops, and ch-raise on drawy flops, do balance for the times you have weaker hands in your preflop ccaling range, that you defend from his light 3Bs.
    I don`t think Ch-raising here is any good on the flop, unless you are planning on doing it with your bluffs as well (do you?). It`s one of those "lol, 4 cards that we don`t like came, put is in tought spot, lol i should`ve played it differently.."
    As played, river is close - i think i would call since he should be bluffing here a ton, even though his sizing idicates that he wants a call.
    Last edited by lancelott_; 08-29-2010 at 12:54 PM.
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    wtf. Pre is fine.

    flop either lead/call c/minraisey c/shove c/c all fine
    turn lead largish if u c/c
    river fold
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    lol at leading this flop wtf

    i mean, unless you know FOR SURE he will spazz play back at us somehow vs our nonsense donkbet
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    "nonsense donkbet"

    i rest my case.
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    HJvBU you can get it in pre but calling is fine too.

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