Bad Shove?

[ManicLombax]

Was this a bad shove with the player in the SB with 10 chips left or worth the risk you think?

PokerStars Game #48574219573: Tournament #304120617, $1.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2010/08/23 16:24:11 MT [2010/08/23 18:24:11 ET]
Table '304120617 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: PusCross (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: ANTMONCLOVA (2160 in chips)
Seat 3: karracha (3040 in chips)
Seat 4: vagan.eu (20 in chips)
Seat 5: STARSTEPPER (1180 in chips)
Seat 6: DaveS (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: giyi (1140 in chips)
Seat 8: ManicLombax (1460 in chips)
Seat 9: Sslisk (1500 in chips)
vagan.eu: posts small blind 10
STARSTEPPER: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ManicLombax [Ad Ac]
DaveS: folds
ManicLombax said, "nice one"
giyi: folds
ManicLombax: raises 140 to 160
Sslisk: raises 140 to 300
PusCross: folds
ANTMONCLOVA: folds
karracha said, " suerte"
karracha: calls 300
vagan.eu: calls 10 and is all-in
STARSTEPPER: calls 280
ManicLombax: raises 1160 to 1460 and is all-in
Sslisk: folds
karracha: calls 1160
STARSTEPPER: folds

[oomike01]

Im a noob but i like it. I dont really know what to say about it. I open for 5x at most but again im still noob. A guy thought he had better i guess so good for u anyways.

[taipan168]

What's the problem here? You have the best preflop hand in poker, you got all your chips in and somebody called.

That said, first up I would have raised 4x BB rather than 8x, but once you get the donkminraiser and all those callers then I definitely shove over since there is a very good chance that somebody will call.

[ManicLombax]

Yeah I was thinking the SB going all in with 10 chips is one more chance for someone to draw out on me, but yeah, if he wins I lose 20 chips. Never mind, dumb question.

[ManicLombax]

But on the 4x vs 8x raise preflop point, I might argue that at the $1.20 level if I raise to 80 chips I'm likely to get 6 callers and get out drawn by KTo or some such. Do the odds of winning even with multiple callers not justify knocking people out? I admit I would have been disappointed if I got no callers.

[taipan168]

Never mind, dumb question.

No worries, the only dumb questions on this forums are the ones that you have but don't ask

But on the 4x vs 8x raise preflop point, I might argue that at the $1.20 level if I raise to 80 chips I'm likely to get 6 callers and get out drawn by KTo or some such. Do the odds of winning even with multiple callers not justify knocking people out? I admit I would have been disappointed if I got no callers.

If somebody is willing to call your preflop raise with a hand that you beat (which in this case would be every other hand!) then that's a good thing. Don't be scared of being outflopped, that is expected to happen a (small) proportion of the time. That said, I don't hate a bigger raise like 5x at micro stakes because, as you say, you definitely won't chase everybody away and are better off because you've managed to build a bigger pot.

[ManicLombax]

Cool, thanks. So you'd think raise to 4-5x BB and get 5 callers at micro stakes, you're happy because you're still going to win most of the time and the pot will be bigger when you do.

[taipan168]

Cool, thanks. So you'd think raise to 4-5x BB and get 5 callers at micro stakes, you're happy because you're still going to win most of the time and the pot will be bigger when you do.

Yep, and if I did get 5 callers after raising 5x BB I would bet BIG (ie full pot) on the flop (unless it came super connected like KQJ double suited and neither of my aces were of that suit).