Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
I sorta side stepped that in order to address the bigger picture and because it's a straw man. The only time you can't find some level of voluntary exchange for something else is when it's completely forced, but this doesn't mean that we live in a force vs choice dichotomy or anything. There's much more going on

I'm not sure what you mean by this. So your saying there isn't an example but its irrelevant because there's much more going on? Like what?


Actually, public sector regulation against monopolized private abuse is pretty much the final respite.

I don't see how this has anything to do with what I said.

 Yes, public sector attention to transparency is very important, but sadly, it's way too important for private industry as well as governmental corruption to keep this away, and that's why it hasn't happened nor will it any time soon.

I disagree, there is tons of transparency. Is there something about Wal-mart for example that damns them that the public couldn't find out about? Information transparency doesn't have to be done publicly either, I would gladly pay, and it would likely be cheap, to get information on business I buy goods from.


I'm not sure where you're getting this information. US regulation and taxes and 'intervention' into business are substantially lower than they have ever been, and we know for demonstrable fact that things are much better with increased regulation etc

I don't really care if its lower or higher than the past. There is still tons of taxes, control, and regulation. And show me the demonstrable facts.


I've been trying to explain this. Economics is not an open system, there is only a finite amount of wealth at any given time, and the entire systems runs based on how wealth flows. Because wealth naturally flows up, artificial redistribution is necessary for the health of the non-upper class and overall economy. This is very well documented in economic history. It's just that we don't believe it because the propaganda machines incessantly spew lies about how we need supply side trickle down, they're the job creators, and other false garbage. The evidence could not be more clear that our problems are due to too much money and power at the top, yet apparently that doesn't stop the general public from imagining that's not the problem but the solution
This is absolutely not true. Economics is not a zero sum game. I don't understand this wealth flowing up thing either. Yes, people who own businesses tend to make the most money, they also take on the most risk. Most businesses fail. It's not like if you decide to "sell out" and start a business that your just going to make money because you own the means of production.

There's already a system of redistribution from the rich to the poor. It's called spending money. Most rich people, as far as I know, don't tend to hoard money. They like to spend a lot, because what in the hell else are you going to do with it.

Also, there is absolutely no way there is definitive proof that "our problems" are due to too much money at the top. Nor is there definitive proof that "our problems" are due to too much government intervention. There are insane amounts of variables that determine the state of the world today. To say that we know factually the strength of each variable is insane.