These people are our future

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Lets be specific, who in society does the wealthy person owe something to? Everyone?

thats the problem, there is no specific. He owes it to society. So yes, I guess "everyone" would be accurate. But then again, I feel like you will want to take that answer out of context and say that we are robin hooding the poor, rich(ha) guy. But what I think you fail to realize is that by paying his debts to society the rich guy is benefiting himself as well. And while its hard (impossible?) to quantify I do not think that his benefit would be disproportional to that of anyone else. A strong society is what made him, and what continues to support him. When that society falls, so does he.

edit: that last sentence bounced around in my head after writing it. And I think that it offers us another mode of examining our world. Instead of starting at the "beginning." Why not start at the end? When the rich do not pay their debts and society collapses, are the rich still rich?


Hell, if we want to put it in your terms, the rich can be paying for stability, even though that's now how I see it. But when wealth is consolidated to the top, as is the natural flow of wealth, societies become increasingly unstable. This can be viewed all over the world and throughout history. Stable societies have relatively small wealth gaps.

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thats the problem, there is no specific. He owes it to society. So yes, I guess "everyone" would be accurate. But then again, I feel like you will want to take that answer out of context and say that we are robin hooding the poor, rich(ha) guy. But what I think you fail to realize is that by paying his debts to society the rich guy is benefiting himself as well. And while its hard (impossible?) to quantify I do not think that his benefit would be disproportional to that of anyone else. A strong society is what made him, and what continues to support him. When that society falls, so does he.

I actually want to see society succeed just as much as you do because I understand just like you that from free trade with others we are able to live much much better lives than we would be alone. And free trade is worth more to me when I am living with a bunch of people who are intelligent and who are able to create things of value to me and the rest of the world.

Why does giving his money to other people create a stronger society? Why would giving other people money prevent it from falling?

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I actually want to see society succeed just as much as you do because I understand just like you that from free trade with others we are able to live much much better lives than we would be alone. And free trade is worth more to me when I am living with a bunch of people who are intelligent and who are able to create things of value to me and the rest of the world.

Why does giving his money to other people create a stronger society? Why would giving other people money prevent it from falling?

But again, we are not paying out debts to other people, we are paying our debts to society. In one of these posts that I've made in the last 30 minutes I point out that increasing wealth gaps are the bane of a stable society. This is why paying your debt to society keeps it from falling. Public systems can be put in place that allow those without a chance to pick themselves up. When that is possible the masses will not be incited to violence. They have a chance, and therefore want to support the system.

What is happening now is that our window of chance is quickly closing yet we are being told that it is because of the systems that are actually keeping it open. When people believe this and support those who spread these lies, it only expedites the closure.

In a society with a strong public sector where upward mobility is actually possible, the upper classes can sit back and be comfy.