1/2: Aces 3way 3bet pot

[pocketfours]

OP is villain. Hero is 25/20 with 10% 3bet reg. Overcaller is 70/40 whale.


SB ($188)
BB ($435)
P4's ($204)
UTG+1 ($199)
Hero ($337)
BTN ($210)

Dealt to Hero A A
P4's raises to $6, fold, Hero raises to $20, BTN calls $20, fold, fold, P4's calls $14


FLOP ($63) Q 4 T
P4's checks, Hero bets $31, BTN calls $31, P4's raises to $184 (AI), Hero?

[Alexos]

uh, allin.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'd all in/call but I'm not thrilled about it.

[Ravageur]

I am Hero, and my argument was that I am much less happy calling with the Ad than i would be without it caus i'm dominating many fewer draws. That being said it's still probably a call.

[griffey24]

I'd all in/call but I'm not thrilled about it.

Definitely this. All in, but expecting to be up against a combo draw (Qxdd, straight draw +FD pretty often, and some random % vs KJ)

[Alexos]

J9dd,K9dd,KJdd,Qxdd,67dd,KdJx,44,QTs, half the combos of TT. Anddddd the P4 FACTOR

im fkin thrilled

[pocketfours]

Actually I'm not opening KJo/KTs/67s/78s/89s/QTs in this exact spot UTG because of this monkey button and 3betting Rav.

This is my range:

Board: Qs Td 4d

Hand 0: 65.461% 65.46% 00.00% 9721 0.00
{ QQ, TT, 44, KdQd, KJs, QdJd }

Hand 1: 34.539% 34.54% 00.00% 5129 0.00
{ AcAd }

That would indeed make this a close fold.

Edit: giving button a somewhat tight calling range also makes this a fold.

Board: Qs Td 4d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.222% 53.87% 00.35% 259294 1676.00
{ QQ, TT, 44, KdQd, KJs, QdJd }

Hand 1: 22.558% 22.46% 00.09% 108122 450.00
{ AcAd }

Hand 2: 23.220% 22.78% 00.44% 109631 2126.00
{ KK-QQ, TT, 44, AQs, KdQd, KJs, Kd9d, QdJd, QTs, AQo, KQo, QTo }


Too tired right now to think about bu calling range in detail, but it's possible that Rav made a really good fold.

[Alexos]

Rav is by now means a crazy 3bettor, especially not when he wants the fish in the pot as well. You should prolly open up your utg range in this spot!

[Alexos]

But if you do think Rav is 3betting 10% in this spot, you're not 4betting QQ? You also forgot to include AQ in that nitty range.

[pocketfours]

BU was 3betting 30% over small sample. Didn't feel like gambling.

[pocketfours]

But if you do think Rav is 3betting 10% in this spot, you're not 4betting QQ? You also forgot to include AQ in that nitty range.

I didn't have QQ and I'm not sure if I would have 4bet it. It def needs a discount. Not sure if I would jam AQ, have to think about that.

[Ravageur]

It should probably be mentionned that I got it in with AQss vs your KK 200 BB deep when I reraised in SB vs a co raise and p4s button call that he backraised and I shoved over and his KK held. So I just felt that he would never think I'm folding in this spot (since the fish should keep me relatively honest c-betting here) so that's why I folded.

[ValueTownYou]

agree. all in given what u have told us

[IowaSkinsFan]

Actually I'm not opening KJo/KTs/67s/78s/89s/QTs in this exact spot UTG because of this monkey button and 3betting Rav.

This is my range:

Board: Qs Td 4d

Hand 0: 65.461% 65.46% 00.00% 9721 0.00
{ QQ, TT, 44, KdQd, KJs, QdJd }

Hand 1: 34.539% 34.54% 00.00% 5129 0.00
{ AcAd }

That would indeed make this a close fold.

Edit: giving button a somewhat tight calling range also makes this a fold.

Board: Qs Td 4d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.222% 53.87% 00.35% 259294 1676.00
{ QQ, TT, 44, KdQd, KJs, QdJd }

Hand 1: 22.558% 22.46% 00.09% 108122 450.00
{ AcAd }

Hand 2: 23.220% 22.78% 00.44% 109631 2126.00
{ KK-QQ, TT, 44, AQs, KdQd, KJs, Kd9d, QdJd, QTs, AQo, KQo, QTo }


Too tired right now to think about bu calling range in detail, but it's possible that Rav made a really good fold.

Does p4's really have QQ in his range? I think QQ/TT could be played differently here, such as 4betting pre or calling the flop although the latter is doubtful. I'd also include AdKd and 8d9d into p4's range, at least some weighting there.

[pocketfours]

Does p4's really have QQ in his range? I think QQ/TT could be played differently here, such as 4betting pre or calling the flop although the latter is doubtful. I'd also include AdKd and 8d9d into p4's range, at least some weighting there.

I would not have 4bet QQ or TT pre. Not quite sure about AKs but I'd probably just 4bet and take the dead money out there. 89dd was not in my range.