QQ $16 reg 4-bets from BB

[Nakamura]

In the spirit of SNG forum revival!

Initial raiser is a random. BB is a $16 reg nit. A decent winning player, but my notes say he's generally a bit dim. 12/11/5.3 over 6.5k.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$15+$1

Stacks:
UTG (1,510)
UTG+1 (2,990)
MP1 (1,470)
MP2 (1,500)
CO (1,570)
BTN (1,450)
Hero (1,480)
BB (1,530)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 8 players) Hero is SB
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to 80, 4 folds, Hero raises to 250, BB goes all-in 1,530, UTG+1 folds, Hero ???

[taipan168]

SN for BB?

[Nakamura]

SN for BB?

I assume you mean SuperNova. No, only Platinum star I think.

[drmcboy]

you should post your stats/his read on you but assuming those are normal, fold. I also don't like the 3 bet with no read that UTG is a clown, you're just doing him a favor.

[ManicLombax]

drmcboy you'd flat with QQ here normally? Why?

[taipan168]

I assume you mean SuperNova. No, only Platinum star I think.

Sorry, I meant his screen name. Most of the high volume regs have some sort of quirk in their play, that's why I ask.

[fulksy]

you need 46.32% equity most likely a fold, unless you include JJ in his range. which with his stats seems boarderline so i guess fold.

how did random double up?

against random i think 3 bet is good, as he most likely will call with 1010+ AQ+

[PokerWang]

I would say read dependent. Your moves should always depend on what you think your opponents would do. If you have no reads then I would fold.

[drmcboy]

drmcboy you'd flat with QQ here normally? Why?

what hands do you 3 bet with here?

what hands do you expect he'll flat with? shove over with?

[taipan168]

Subject to seeing who BB is, the 3-bet first time around is fine but against any decent reg you have to let this go once they shove over.

If they know you're a reg (or at least have enough HUD stats on you to tell you're not an idiot) then another reg is most likely not shoving anything that you beat (or flip against) here.

This is where reads are so important, against a random in the BB I am most probably calling pretty quickly as a random or a donk will pull this move with lots of hands you beat.

[Nakamura]

Manic, drmcboy is referring to the fact most decent player will only shove or call with very small part of their range to a 3-bet. By calling we disguise our hand and if the villain is holding TT and the flop comes out 872, he'll likely get his money in bad. Raising just makes him do the right thing and fold the hands we are ahead of.

@Tapian BB is MachtiSonni ... I think he rolls at about 3.5% ROI over 15 000 or so.

Here is the hand random guy doubled up with. Obviously he not a very strong player. Stats are 35/18/1.0 over 20 hands or so, so not sure if that means we should 3-bet PF or call behind.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$15+$1

Stacks:
UTG (1,530)
UTG+1 (1,510)
MP1 (1,490)
MP2 (1,470)
MP3 (1,500)
CO (1,570)
BTN (1,470)
SB (1,460)
Hero (1,500)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 9 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, MP1 calls 20, 3 folds, BTN raises to 40, 1 fold, Hero folds, MP1 calls 20

Flop: (110, 2 players)
MP1 checks, BTN bets 60, MP1 raises to 220, BTN calls 160

Turn: (550, 2 players)
MP1 goes all-in 1,230, BTN goes all-in 1,210

River: (2,990, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: 2,990
MP1 shows three of a kind, Aces

BTN shows two pair, Aces and Tens


MP1 wins 2,990 (net +1,500)

BTN lost 1,470

[fulksy]

he looks pretty bad which makes me like 3 bet better, i can see him definitely calling way worse and maybe even 4 bet shoving worse, and you could proabably discount aces a bit since we know he likes to slow play them. when you have an assumingly bad player i don't think discuising hand is really as nessasarily, as if he calls with worse pp he's proabably stacking off with an overpair and the 3 bet just makes the pot bigger and easier to get it all in postflop.

[ManicLombax]

Manic, drmcboy is referring to the fact most decent player will only shove or call with very small part of their range to a 3-bet. By calling we disguise our hand and if the villain is holding TT and the flop comes out 872, he'll likely get his money in bad. Raising just makes him do the right thing and fold the hands we are ahead of.

Gotcha, thanks. I guess I'm just used to playing with idiots who will flat a 3-bet with nearly anything they opened with.