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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith_MM View Post
    The video's are designed to stop people losing money at 2nl.For everyone here thats beaten 2nl and moved on up it may seem basic. For people struggling at 2nl who keep playing and losing , the strategy advocated hammers out all the leaks that have got them losing money in the first place.

    Whats the point in knowing other peoples ranges if they can't play a decent range themselves.They play too many hands out of position against hands that dominate them. They call too much, they don't cbet enough when they miss the flop , they don't fold to late street aggression without the nuts etc . All these leaks get hammered out and get the "loser" playing a strong range in position and with initiative.From there ,they can then start and understand what other peoples ranges are , what betting lines tend to mean,how they can start to play to make more profit from a hand.The fact that they are now able to make more gves them the encouragemnet to actually do some work and try and make more money.

    and lOL at fold equities at 2nl, most of their opponents don't realise they have a fold button
    i disagree with almost all of this. but that's just my personal preference for attempting to learn about poker. i'm not saying it's necessarily the right or wrong approach for OP, just saying that he can learn how to do ALL of the above things you mentioned:
    - understand position
    - learn to avoid dominated situations
    - learn to bet for value
    - learn to steal blinds against appropriate opponents (and develop more positional awareness in the process)

    via learning about ranges/equity/fold equity (yes it does exist even at 2nl) rather than through rote learning some system without learning why that system works.

    obv this is my just my opinion and it's a matter of preference. i just think you can learn how to play +EV style of poker, with a tiny bit more work, and have the added benefit of knowing why you're doing things, and having less trouble when the time comes to move to higher stakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm View Post
    i disagree with almost all of this. but that's just my personal preference for attempting to learn about poker. i'm not saying it's necessarily the right or wrong approach for OP, just saying that he can learn how to do ALL of the above things you mentioned:
    - understand position
    - learn to avoid dominated situations
    - learn to bet for value
    - learn to steal blinds against appropriate opponents (and develop more positional awareness in the process)

    via learning about ranges/equity/fold equity (yes it does exist even at 2nl) rather than through rote learning some system without learning why that system works.
    Have you watched the videos refered to and considered who they are targetted at?. If not how can you say its a rote learned system and judge them?. The whole point of them is to stop losers losing money at 2nl and give the beginner a baseline that will be profitable. IT IS NOT THE MOST PROFITABLE WAY TO PLAY AND STATES THAT IT ISN'T. its a starting point. The videos explain why they are doing things .Everything else can then be built onto it.
    obv this is my just my opinion and it's a matter of preference. i just think you can learn how to play +EV style of poker, with a tiny bit more work, and have the added benefit of knowing why you're doing things, and having less trouble when the time comes to move to higher stakes.
    Thats the whole point of the videos though, they are just a first step , to stop people losing money and avoid putting themselves into spots where they end up spewing money. Once they get used to playing tight aggressive postionally aware poker , they can then do that extra bit of work and start adding hands and putting themselves into marginal spots, going for more value knowing that they have a profitable base to support the changes in their game that will allow them to move up.

    @DavidDem - they aren't my videos or site lol
    Last edited by Keith; 04-05-2011 at 11:03 AM.

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