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[PlayToWin]

Jason, when you advise to win 30 BI's "at the tables" before moving up, do you count stellar bonuses or bonuses purchased w/ fpp's?

[Jason]

Jason, when you advise to win 30 BI's "at the tables" before moving up, do you count stellar bonuses or bonuses purchased w/ fpp's?

No, rakeback is just gravy and extra coushin to pad the bankroll. You need to win 30 buy-ins of stone cold cash directly from the table and can not count rakeback, bonuses, milestone hands, promotions, buffet vouchers, and the like.

[d0zer]

No, rakeback is just gravy and extra coushin to pad the bankroll. You need to win 30 buy-ins of stone cold cash directly from the table and can not count rakeback, bonuses, milestone hands, promotions, buffet vouchers, and the like.

This is just you projecting your own BR nititude on others. You don't "need" to do anything like that, you need to do what's best for your own situation given your risk tolerance, your reliance on your roll, your ability to beat the games and varying degrees of other factors that differ person to person.

There's no question that slevin's BR management is bad (or non-existent), but the recent trend towards people saying you have to have X BI (where X > 20) is just another form of strict, absolute rules about BRM that just don't apply to everyone's situation.

[bikes]

This is just you projecting your own BR nititude on others. You don't "need" to do anything like that, you need to do what's best for your own situation given your risk tolerance, your reliance on your roll, your ability to beat the games and varying degrees of other factors that differ person to person.

There's no question that slevin's BR management is bad (or non-existent), but the recent trend towards people saying you have to have X BI (where X > 20) is just another form of strict, absolute rules about BRM that just don't apply to everyone's situation.

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[Robb]

This is just you projecting your own BR nititude on others. You don't "need" to do anything like that, you need to do what's best for your own situation given your risk tolerance, your reliance on your roll, your ability to beat the games and varying degrees of other factors that differ person to person.

There's no question that slevin's BR management is bad (or non-existent), but the recent trend towards people saying you have to have X BI (where X > 20) is just another form of strict, absolute rules about BRM that just don't apply to everyone's situation.

Dozer, I got a bit different message when I read Jason's post. He was using the 30 BI mark to make sure he had his game back in shape for a move up, so he personally wanted to be sure he was beating the game. Note that he only ground out 10 BI's at 25nl, and then moved up. He adjusted his requirements as the games got tougher.

The question wasn't, "how many BI's should you have before moving up?" The question was, "How can you be sure you're ready for the next level up?"

And I think he's got some evidence for knowing for sure when he's ready to move up, since he's never had to move back down except after long layoffs when - I can assure you - you really suck at poker for a good few thousand hands. I didn't take it as some rigid metric he was imposing on everyone, just some solid advice for evaluating where you're game is and when you're ready to move on.

[d0zer]

Dozer, I got a bit different message when I read Jason's post. He was using the 30 BI mark to make sure he had his game back in shape for a move up, so he personally wanted to be sure he was beating the game. Note that he only ground out 10 BI's at 25nl, and then moved up. He adjusted his requirements as the games got tougher.

The question wasn't, "how many BI's should you have before moving up?" The question was, "How can you be sure you're ready for the next level up?"

And I think he's got some evidence for knowing for sure when he's ready to move up, since he's never had to move back down except after long layoffs when - I can assure you - you really suck at poker for a good few thousand hands. I didn't take it as some rigid metric he was imposing on everyone, just some solid advice for evaluating where you're game is and when you're ready to move on.

fwiw, I do advocate being a little more cautious when moving up to a stake you've never played before, but I find a lot of players now exercising just absurdly nitty BRM and preaching it as if it's divine law.

Apologies to Jason if that wasn't the case.

[WeaselT]

ugh but slevin you shouldve been around ftr long enough to know all of what jason stated....he just spelled it out i guess. neways the point is start "somewhere" set a goal for X buyins to win before moving up and X buyins for moving down. X buyins can vary from person to person but just stick to what that X is.