Here's My HEM Stats - Hit Me With Your Best Shot Please!

[derekeverett]

On the advice of others in this forum I am posting my HEM stats for the last 30,000 hands I've played. It's been a downward spiral. (Thanks for the report Daven.. but I couldn't get it to work.. but I think I got everything needed in these shots).

Please hit me with your best shots and advice here.. I look forward to hearing whatever you have to say.

As I mentioned in my other post, I have recently sought coaching and my coach has given me several things to work on based on these statistics.. I am curious to see how many of you give similar advice and what different ideas I can get here.

If any statistics required are missing.. please tell me and I will post right away. (May or may not be a screenshot.)

Sorry about the big image.. but I didn't want anyone to struggle to see the numbers.

Thanks all!



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[bikes]

you steal too little, your aggression is absurdly low. you float way too much for your aggression. you don't fold to 3bs nearly enough given your presumed lack of skill in taking pots away from the aggressor.

[derekeverett]

you steal too little, your aggression is absurdly low. you float way too much for your aggression. you don't fold to 3bs nearly enough given your presumed lack of skill in taking pots away from the aggressor.

Hey you sound just like my coach!

[jyms]

edit {bikes beat me to it.}


Bikes and your coach are so right. Every one gets the same cards over time, your trying to let the cards decide who wins by calling in far too many bad places. You need to learn how to win when the cards won't

[derekeverett]

Bikes and your coach are so right. Every one gets the same cards over time, your trying to let the cards decide who wins by calling in far too many bad places. You need to learn how to win when the cards won't

I would have to say from my experience so far that I think your right. But I do have a question.. time and time again I'm told not to bluff at the micro stakes level. Is that not essentially what you are saying here? That I need to bluff more?

[jyms]

No, You need to bet more when others will fold unless they hit there hands. Guys won't fold better hands but they will fold equity.

eg: You have 88 in the CO and open for 3BB, SB calls with ATs, the flop comes down j93r and he checks, he's got about 25% equity there and isn't going to put any more in the pot unless he hits an A or a T. You need to bet or lose that pot if he hits. Find spots to bet and take down pots.

Also when a guy like you 3bets pre, I fold. You never have a hand that's worse than mine.

[derekeverett]

No, You need to bet more when others will fold unless they hit there hands. Guys won't fold better hands but they will fold equity.

eg: You have 88 in the CO and open for 3BB, SB calls with ATs, the flop comes down j93r and he checks, he's got about 25% equity there and isn't going to put any more in the pot unless he hits an A or a T. You need to bet or lose that pot if he hits. Find spots to bet and take down pots.

Also when a guy like you 3bets pre, I fold. You never have a hand that's worse than mine.

I need to learn how to read the board etc. a lot better for sure. That's what I'm working on next with my coach.

I also noticed some time ago that I was having a hard time getting action with my monsters.. so I started flatting with Aces and Kings. Basically only 3-bet AK, occasionally AQs or QQ. My coach about tore my head off for that.

Do you think I need to widen my 3-bet range or widen my range in position all-together?

[jyms]

Why are you paying a coach and not listening to him? Why are you asking us to verify everything he is telling you? Maybe you should get a coach you trust.

[derekeverett]

Why are you paying a coach and not listening to him? Why are you asking us to verify everything he is telling you? Maybe you should get a coach you trust.

Where did I give the impression I wasn't listening to him? I've had only one session with him so far.. all these stats are from my pre-coach days.

I posted these stats at the suggestion of another member in a thread I posted regarding my struggles.

I thought these forums were the place to ask for multiple opinions.. having a coach is great but I never assumed it meant I should use forums too..

[kmind]

Obv what everyone said so far. I'd cbet more too and definiiiitely move down in stakes.

[Penneywize]

I guess your 4-bet range is all value? If so, do you see a problem with this


Also:

definiiiitely move down in stakes.

QFT

If you hate money so much, you could just throw it off a bridge. I honestly don't see how this style of play would even win at 10NL.

Move down to 5s, move up once you fix the rather glaring weaknesses in your game.

[Nekrogovner]

Did you also forget to mention that these are mostly rush poker stats? In that case anyway, you steal way to low, and you don't 3bet enough from blinds and late positions. Also, consider folding postflop anything weaker then two pair (or even set) to an aggression.

[derekeverett]

Did you also forget to mention that these are mostly rush poker stats? In that case anyway, you steal way to low, and you don't 3bet enough from blinds and late positions. Also, consider folding postflop anything weaker then two pair (or even set) to an aggression.

Now this is constructive criticism and particular advice. So thank you.

I did forget to mention that it is largely Rush poker stats.. about 70% Rush.

[Keith]

Where did I give the impression I wasn't listening to him? I've had only one session with him so far.. all these stats are from my pre-coach days.

I posted these stats at the suggestion of another member in a thread I posted regarding my struggles.

I thought these forums were the place to ask for multiple opinions.. having a coach is great but I never assumed it meant I should use forums too..

do you have an attitude problem?You have had multiple opinions all telling you the same thing which agrees with what your coach has told you. You were told to post your stats to help identify your weak points , and you sure do have some weak points.

why did you jump straight in at 25nl and 1000$. Its like entering a rally and never having driven a car before. MOst of the other people you are up against have an idea what they are doing , you are still learning to control your car. Drop right down , learn to drive in a field or a carpark before entering a race and start to race against other learners and when you are bneating them , take on some stronger opposition.
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[derekeverett]

do you have an attitude problem?You have had multiple opinions all telling you the same thing which agrees with what your coach has told you. You were told to post your stats to help identify your weak points , and you sure do have some weak points.

why did you jump straight in at 25nl and 1000$. Its like entering a rally and never having driven a car before. MOst of the other people you are up against have an idea what they are doing , you are still learning to control your car. Drop right down , learn to drive in a field or a carpark before entering a race and start to race against other learners and when you are bneating them , take on some stronger opposition.
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Man I don't see how I'm being misunderstood so often here.. no I don't have an attitude about it. I was asked why I was paying for a coach and not listening to him... this isn't the case and I was asking for clarity on where I gave that impression. As I do not wish to give such an impression it seems like a fair question to me. If there was a misunderstanding then I welcome the opportunity to clear it up.

As far as dropping limits goes, I agree that was a good move and it has been done. Before I posted anything in these forums I had already done that much. But most of my statistics are from before that time, so that's all I have to show for now.

[jyms]

Well it seems that you've already started doing what your told, your listening to what the coach has told you and have moved from playing rush and $25NL. None of this was anything we knew about so it's obvious that we are going to say the exact same things. We aren't going to come at you about a bunch of little stats and issues to work on while your working on so many basic concepts anyway. What were you hoping to hear differently based on old stats from a game you don't play anymore? Everything that has been said now twice or 3 times is a waste of time for all. Get another 10-20K hands and come back for more advice. Or post a hand from what you are playing now and ask questions.

[HarleyGuy13]

Dude you've received most of the advice you need at this point with one exception. STOP playing rush until you've learned all the basics of poker. Start by putting anything that resembles an ego away. Then sit your ass down at ONE 2nl table and play rock solid ABC poker. No bluffs no tricks just ABC poker. When you are comfortable with that open another table. Once you've established a good win rate at 2nl and have atleast 30 bi's earned for 5nl move up and repeat until you have 30 bi's for 10nl etc. Learn the game and you will enjoy the game without treating it like a vending machine! Play RUSH once you've mastered the basics.

[derekeverett]

Well it seems that you've already started doing what your told, your listening to what the coach has told you and have moved from playing rush and $25NL. None of this was anything we knew about so it's obvious that we are going to say the exact same things. We aren't going to come at you about a bunch of little stats and issues to work on while your working on so many basic concepts anyway. What were you hoping to hear differently based on old stats from a game you don't play anymore? Everything that has been said now twice or 3 times is a waste of time for all. Get another 10-20K hands and come back for more advice. Or post a hand from what you are playing now and ask questions.

Thanks jyms, I will do just that into the future.

I also apologize if I came off as hostile earlier. That wasn't my intention.

Concerning what I was hoping for in posting this... I have never been one to just take one persons ideas and opinions as the gospel. So coach or no coach I'm always looking for the opinions etc. of others. I like my coach.. and I have no reason not to trust him.. but I like to consider multiple sources when afforded the opportunity to do so.

I was also asked in another thread to do this, which contributed to my decision to post.

[derekeverett]

Dude you've received most of the advice you need at this point with one exception. STOP playing rush until you've learned all the basics of poker. Start by putting anything that resembles an ego away. Then sit your ass down at ONE 2nl table and play rock solid ABC poker. No bluffs no tricks just ABC poker. When you are comfortable with that open another table. Once you've established a good win rate at 2nl and have atleast 30 bi's earned for 5nl move up and repeat until you have 30 bi's for 10nl etc. Learn the game and you will enjoy the game without treating it like a vending machine! Play RUSH once you've mastered the basics.

Ya I'm off the Rush.. I'm a little sad about that but I'm coping. There is something exciting about losing money faster than normal.

[jyms]

Your trying to be a poker player, find another hobby to get your excitement or you will be a gambler forever.

[scott_owen]

Not being an expert, it would be great if someone could confirm or shoot down my observations/reasoning regarding these stats. I don't have a whole load of experience with hem or ptracker.

There's a few things that glare at me.
Firstly your losing, but not only that, your running about 8 stacks ahead of ev. That says to be your either pissing chips on draws or gettting in with second bests. What kind of hands are you losing with, overpaira? TPTK? maybe your over valuing and posting these hand histories will help you a lot.

Secondly, and I'm not really sure about this.. your flop/turn/river aggression % are almost all the same. My stats typically show a high flop aggression and diminished aggression on the turn and river. This is because most of my cbets either take it down on the flop or are given up on off I'm called. I'm not looking to double barrel unless I pick up equity on the turn. Being in position is also a factor. People aren't usually floating me if they call the flop so i need a good reason to bet the turn/river if I'm holding air.

Steal% is low. Read spoons articles on blind stealing.

Aggression is low. So I wonder if you are slowplaying your nut hands too much. Positionally you crack 2 in one spot. I read in a hud post from someone that 3 is about consistent with ABC poker. 1-2 are slow players and 4-5 are heavy bluffers. Your not going to make any money not betting your big hands. And since your losingg most of your dollars without a showdown I'd say your letting yourself get out drawn and getting to involved calling with weaker holdings then folding later streets. Both of which would be characterised by a low AF

[bikes]

please pay no attention to ev whatsoever as it means absolutely nothing

[scott_owen]

please pay no attention to ev whatsoever as it means absolutely nothing

i understand that, reason being it only calculates showdowns right? I typically review why i'm running above or below that stat though.. i either find i've been sucked out on, or i sucked out. In the latter case these are usually hands I need to review..

OP is running a long way ahead of ev, is it not fair to look into it? I'm not trying to suggest that you can alter your play in anyway purely based on being ahead or behind ev.

[rpm]

without reading anyone else's responses (as a relevant sidenote, for your poker learning, responding to hand history or stats threads without seeing what anyone else has written, and then comparing your thoughts with others' is a great way to pick out holes in your thought process. i'd advise doing that)

i'll start preflop.
- you could almost certainly have a higher steal percentage. this is something you should work on incrementally though - as you become more comfortable playing weaker ranges in position. for some resources on this, you could consult:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...-a-152792.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...se-173291.html

- you seem to fold to 3bets an INCREDIBLY low amount. this probably means you're calling 3bets with hands which are going to have you dominated postflop (because most 3b ranges are very strong) which leads to a whole heap of postflop leaks whereby you either A) call 3bets with a wide/weak range and have to fold postflop when faced with inevitable aggression or, B) call 3bets with a wide/weak range and take these hands too far postflop against ranges which are typically very strong and have you crushed.

- you seem to be limping far too much as well. especially in early positions. there's an exception to almost every "rule" in poker, but as a general rule - don't open limp in texas holdem. the reason i say "especially in early positions" is because these are the worst positions to be at on the table in a given hand, because it will be very rare that you have the positional advantage (which is a HUGE advantage) postflop. this translates into two strategical points: A) your range needs to be stronger in pots you are likely to play out of position, precisely because you don't have position. and B) because this range is (should be) quite strong, you want to be raising with it. getting value from your opponents, and charging them if they want to play in position against you.

- you might be missing some value by not 3betting certain hands in certain spots preflop. by the looks of things, your preflop 3bet range is probably currently KK+,AK or QQ+,AKs am i correct? this is fine as a starting point - you definitely want to be getting value with these strong hands. but if you find an opponent who raises and then calls a 3bet with, say, 22+,ATs+,AJo+, then you can open up your "3bet for value" range and include hands like QQ,JJ,TT,AQs. this is because they are calling with a range which your 3bet range is ahead of. ie THEY are calling 3bets with a dominated range (which seems to one of your major leaks as well)

that's all that sticks out to me. i recently posted a thread which contained links to a lot of my favourite FTR threads i have used as resources over the past however long. it has a decent amount of material on preflop situations in there, which seems to be where a lot of your leaks are. so i'll link it here for you to check out. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ds-186705.html

hope that helped.

oh i should mention, i'm a predominantly full ring player, and a shit one at that, so unless my advice is in tune with some of the responses from other (better) players you've got. i'd take it with a grain of salt.

[daven]

Why are you paying a coach and not listening to him? Why are you asking us to verify everything he is telling you? Maybe you should get a coach you trust.

that;s probably my fault - he said in another thread that he had paid for five sessions, had one already and that the rest won't be for a while
i suggested he post stats here and get some feedback - which he is getting, and that's a good thing

[rpm]

Your trying to be a poker player, find another hobby to get your excitement or you will be a gambler forever.

though i may be misinterpreting your point. i personally don't see any reason for making this comment. OP is being perfectly reasonable and diplomatic. he seems to be seriously looking to improve his game. and, as best i can tell, he has welcomed the opinion of anybody who has tried to help him thus far.

[rpm]

oh and yeah. with you (seeming) current level of understanding of poker, i'd be working on your game at 2nl. if you're serious about learning poker, which you seem to be, you will grit your teeth and grind it out for $2 buyins. on the upside - if you're serious about learning poker, you'll be crushing 2nl within a pretty short period of time.

[jyms]

Ya I'm off the Rush.. I'm a little sad about that but I'm coping. There is something exciting about losing money faster than normal.

this

[rpm]

i took that as 100% joke. it may not have been. fair call.

[derekeverett]

i took that as 100% joke. it may not have been. fair call.

It was a joke... I was trying to relieve a bit of the hostility that had been building in the thread. Tough room...

[derekeverett]

- you seem to fold to 3bets an INCREDIBLY low amount. this probably means you're calling 3bets with hands which are going to have you dominated postflop (because most 3b ranges are very strong) which leads to a whole heap of postflop leaks whereby you either A) call 3bets with a wide/weak range and have to fold postflop when faced with inevitable aggression or, B) call 3bets with a wide/weak range and take these hands too far postflop against ranges which are typically very strong and have you crushed.


- you might be missing some value by not 3betting certain hands in certain spots preflop. by the looks of things, your preflop 3bet range is probably currently KK+,AK or QQ+,AKs am i correct? this is fine as a starting point - you definitely want to be getting value with these strong hands. but if you find an opponent who raises and then calls a 3bet with, say, 22+,ATs+,AJo+, then you can open up your "3bet for value" range and include hands like QQ,JJ,TT,AQs. this is because they are calling with a range which your 3bet range is ahead of. ie THEY are calling 3bets with a dominated range (which seems to one of your major leaks as well)

This is very helpful to me thank you. I will be checking out the threads you recommend as well.

[derekeverett]

Not being an expert, it would be great if someone could confirm or shoot down my observations/reasoning regarding these stats. I don't have a whole load of experience with hem or ptracker.

There's a few things that glare at me.
Firstly your losing, but not only that, your running about 8 stacks ahead of ev. That says to be your either pissing chips on draws or gettting in with second bests. What kind of hands are you losing with, overpaira? TPTK? maybe your over valuing and posting these hand histories will help you a lot.

Secondly, and I'm not really sure about this.. your flop/turn/river aggression % are almost all the same. My stats typically show a high flop aggression and diminished aggression on the turn and river. This is because most of my cbets either take it down on the flop or are given up on off I'm called. I'm not looking to double barrel unless I pick up equity on the turn. Being in position is also a factor. People aren't usually floating me if they call the flop so i need a good reason to bet the turn/river if I'm holding air.

Steal% is low. Read spoons articles on blind stealing.

Aggression is low. So I wonder if you are slowplaying your nut hands too much. Positionally you crack 2 in one spot. I read in a hud post from someone that 3 is about consistent with ABC poker. 1-2 are slow players and 4-5 are heavy bluffers. Your not going to make any money not betting your big hands. And since your losingg most of your dollars without a showdown I'd say your letting yourself get out drawn and getting to involved calling with weaker holdings then folding later streets. Both of which would be characterised by a low AF

I agree with everything your saying here.. most of this was pointed out by my coach so I think you for re-affirming. I am working on it.. but it's helpful to hear it again.

[Sorcery11]

Dude you've received most of the advice you need at this point with one exception. STOP playing rush until you've learned all the basics of poker. Start by putting anything that resembles an ego away. Then sit your ass down at ONE 2nl table and play rock solid ABC poker. No bluffs no tricks just ABC poker. When you are comfortable with that open another table. Once you've established a good win rate at 2nl and have atleast 30 bi's earned for 5nl move up and repeat until you have 30 bi's for 10nl etc. Learn the game and you will enjoy the game without treating it like a vending machine! Play RUSH once you've mastered the basics.

I read this and could not help but laugh. I think one table of 2nl is a bit overboard lol!

[bikes]

Dude you've received most of the advice you need at this point with one exception. STOP playing rush until you've learned all the basics of poker. Start by putting anything that resembles an ego away. Then sit your ass down at ONE 2nl table and play rock solid ABC poker. No bluffs no tricks just ABC poker. When you are comfortable with that open another table. Once you've established a good win rate at 2nl and have atleast 30 bi's earned for 5nl move up and repeat until you have 30 bi's for 10nl etc. Learn the game and you will enjoy the game without treating it like a vending machine! Play RUSH once you've mastered the basics.

I'm sorry but lolwat? What works for you doesnt mean it's optimal for someone else. Ego is very important in poker iyam as well.