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 Originally Posted by wufwugy
If we're consistent with our logic that we use for virtually every other aspect of reality, then the statement that "god is proven false" is super duper mega true. Does it not strike you as stupid that even when we use very stringent standards for other aspects of life (like the scientific peer review) we confirm things to be true or false, yet when it comes to magic we suddenly have standards so incredibly high that the very reality that there are truly no absolutes is enough to confirm in our minds that god could exist?
Well I disagree. I do not think we can even prove that there is no god that fits into our observable universe, our measuring tools or our comprehension, let alone to prove that there is nothing beyond them. To say that god or whatever being cannot exist outside of what we know or understand is argumentum ad ignorantiam. Maybe it is turtles all the way down.
 Originally Posted by wufwugy
Name the most ridiculous thing/idea you possibly can. That idea/thing is just as reasonable to believe as god/spirituality/superstitions. Everywhere we look for anything magical, not only do we not find it, but we find overwhelming evidence that it's not even possible in the first place. God of the Gaps fallacy is so important to understand. It's the ultimate goalpost shift, and it's incessant. Back when we knew very little, god was in the gap we didn't know. Now when we know most things, god is still in the gap between those things. When we know everything that is humanly possible, god will be labeled in the gap between a quark and a gluon
I personally think its arrogant to say we know most things, I think we're only starting to understanding many of the basic things. We don't know what 96% of the universe is made of, we really only have a very primitive idea of how our brain operates, what intelligence is, where life comes from and how much of it is there etc. Just as dangerous as believing something blindly is disbelieving blindly, and I think we're very much in the dark still. I may think it's incredibly improbable there is a god, but I simply cannot know for sure.
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