1/2 NL Any way out of this hand?

[pocketfours]

pocketfours - it can be my bad translation, but in 1st post u r saying, that you would call and in 2nd, that you don't think he has worse hand??

- I think if ever exist some way to get off flopped set over set 100bb deep, its probably this. I really don't see any other hand he would play like this, than JJ

- turn overbet seems pretty good - I like it

Unknown 28/18 isn't really repping anything on a board where slowplaying doesn't seem like a very good idea. Also very likely that our line is confusing to him, so without more reads I'm not folding my set.

[Mr. Diamond]

Unknown 28/18 isn't really repping anything on a board where slowplaying doesn't seem like a very good idea. Also very likely that our line is confusing to him, so without more reads I'm not folding my set.

Ok, but he can think:
- I have board crushed, blocking TP, get 1 street of value from hero made hands, hero range misses this board almost always (especially when I have JJ), my hand is pretty safe vs his range, so I will give him free card or chance to bluff
- of course just speculation, but I really don't see any other hand, than JJ - this is my whole problem

- so you would call just because you have set vs crazy line, or what worse do you think he can have??

- and idk, but if you compare his hand vs our range his slowplay can't be that bad

[pocketfours]

Ok, but he can think:
- I have board crushed, blocking TP, get 1 street of value from hero made hands, hero range misses this board almost always (especially when I have JJ), my hand is pretty safe vs his range, so I will give him free card or chance to bluff
- of course just speculation, but I really don't see any other hand, than JJ - this is my whole problem

- so you would call just because you have set vs crazy line, or what worse do you think he can have??

- and idk, but if you compare his hand vs our range his slowplay can't be that bad

For all we know he could have ak and think its the nuts, since this turn bet sure doesn't look like it wants a call, or so he might think. I've seen weak players go completely bananas when faced with overbets. Maybe he wants to protect his two pair, who knows? AJ is discounted but in no way is it completely dismissible. Also what's the point of the overbet vs someone with a very high af if we're folding cmon?

[Mr. Diamond]

For all we know he could have ak and think its the nuts, since this turn bet sure doesn't look like it wants a call, or so he might think. I've seen weak players go completely bananas when faced with overbets. Maybe he wants to protect his two pair, who knows? AJ is discounted but in no way is it completely dismissible. Also what's the point of the overbet vs someone with a very high af if we're folding cmon?

AK - w/ his AF I highly doubt, that he will c/c flop
two pair - he can spazz vs overbet, but its just speculation and there is much more likely he will not
- we have roughly 2:1 on call, and they are 3 combos of JJ. And if we assume we are dead or he is dead, then he must have atleast 1,5 combos of these two pair. And there is big chance he would cbet As4s - and there are only 2 combos of two pair Ac5c, Ad5d and you need him to ship w/ these atleast 75% of the time, which I think is unreal
AJ - I think he would cbet almost always - and problem is, if you think he can have AJ, then he can easily have AA too

[pocketfours]

AK - w/ his AF I highly doubt, that he will c/c flop
two pair - he can spazz vs overbet, but its just speculation and there is much more likely he will not
- we have roughly 2:1 on call, and they are 3 combos of JJ. And if we assume we are dead or he is dead, then he must have atleast 1,5 combos of these two pair. And there is big chance he would cbet As4s - and there are only 2 combos of two pair Ac5c, Ad5d and you need him to ship w/ these atleast 75% of the time, which I think is unreal
AJ - I think he would cbet almost always - and problem is, if you think he can have AJ, then he can easily have AA too

I don't understand why you think this is some standard OOP slowplay with JJ? I hope you don't check JJ on this flop yourself? It's a horrendous play imo and def needs heavy discount like everything else. Overbetting this turn and folding to a shove without reads is another terrible play.

AJ is 9 combos, AA is 3.

[Mr. Diamond]

I don't understand why you think this is some standard OOP slowplay with JJ? I hope you don't check JJ on this flop yourself? It's a horrendous play imo and def needs heavy discount like everything else. Overbetting this turn and folding to a shove without reads is another terrible play.

AJ is 9 combos, AA is 3.

My standard play is to cbet here w/ JJ. I just think he would play only jacks this way- other hands doesn't make sense, thats all.

And about that slowplay - I put this hand into Flopzilla (which is great program, will definitely buy it in future) and it shows that 88% of hero range (I made it w/ my range) has 5,3% equity vs JJ on this flop - so sick. The rest 12% is OESD or FD