a hand and an absolute unknown

[Razvan729]

calling is better +EV then raising.

[kickass]

calling is better +EV then raising.

care to enlighten us in camp raise how you came to this conclusion.

[bikes]

calling is better +EV then raising.

rofl wat

[daven]

given his 1/2 pot donk sizing i thought this was a raise, and not close cos massive value to be had vs xxdd/Jx/weird draws/88/etc? I'm going to look at that decision more closely. The next decision i found a little more interesting.

Flop: ($1.95, 2 players)
SB bets $1, daven raises to $3.80, SB raises to $7.50, $3.7 to daven ($21.15)?

[acg123]

given his 1/2 pot donk sizing i thought this was a raise, and not close cos massive value to be had vs xxdd/Jx/weird draws/88/etc? I'm going to look at that decision more closely. The next decision i found a little more interesting.

Flop: ($1.95, 2 players)
SB bets $1, daven raises to $3.80, SB raises to $7.50, $3.7 to daven ($21.15)?

this looks like a combodraw or set, MAYBE QQ, but either way we are now in a tough spot. hence my reasoning for flatting the donk bet in my earlier post.

[daven]

this looks like a combodraw or set, MAYBE QQ, but either way we are now in a tough spot. hence my reasoning for flatting the donk bet in my earlier post.

i really don't like flatting my overpairs vs tiny donkbets from unknowns on drawy boards. @ razvan, i see what you mean, but i disagree with him auto-folding his weak made hands if we raise

ok, so i flat vs his flop 3bet here cos i think his range looks like JJ/55/22/Adxd/66-TT(discounted)/QQ/KK/AA(discounted)/TJ/QJ/KJ/AJ. Shoving gets a lot of folds from the subset of his range that we can get value from, so isn't very smart. Calling leaves us against a range we are doing well against AND makes us look weak, some fish will convince themselves we have a flush draw now...

@ bikes, nice sig. Eloquent, even if i do say so myself: "I damage threads that may actually benefit some posters"
i guess "rude", "condescending", and "helpful" can be viewed as subjectively as we choose

[Razvan729]

rofl wat

by raising we can make him fold a lot of hands that are worse and will fire one more time. FD's will probably call, but not all, most of them will be NFD's that call our flop raise and we will lose the turn value from those smaller FD's and his KJ/QJ/JT/TT that will bet most of times on turn when we just call flop.

w/o any reads / stats we'd have to fold to a 3bet shove.

do the math for what he bets turn with, what he calls/fold/3bets flop w/ and see how much money we win/lose every time and see i am right.

[bikes]

by raising we can make him fold a lot of hands that are worse and will fire one more time. FD's will probably call, but not all, most of them will be NFD's that call our flop raise and we will lose the turn value from those smaller FD's and his KJ/QJ/JT/TT that will bet most of times on turn when we just call flop.

w/o any reads / stats we'd have to fold to a 3bet shove.

do the math for what he bets turn with, what he calls/fold/3bets flop w/ and see how much money we win/lose every time and see i am right.

rofl wat

[daven]

rofl wat

care to post something productive in this thread?
e.g. explanation of why razvan's posts make you roll on the floor with laughter