Game of Thrones TV Thread **HBO-Purists ONLY**

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The fact that he was so renowned for it shows it was not common at all though. I do fully agree that it is a lot more forgiving to be more exposed in medieval times because it is harder to kill someone, in later times with the advance of ranged weapon technology people of note would not go anywhere near the front lines anymore because they would just get sniped.

But still there is a notable difference between being a strong warrior king who fights alongside his men, and actually leading the charge into ranged weaponry, that is tactically not very sound. Or be the first to climb up the ladder in a siege. He could have very easily been killed there by people throwing down boulders, it is simply not worth the risk given they are all there with the solo purpose to make him king.

I think it has more to do with some of the choreography being off due to a limited budget. If this was Ridley Scott making the seige of Jerusalem, Stannis being on the front lines would have been more believable. The way it looked in GoT was that there was almost nobody defending where Stannis was, so it looked like a sore thumb.

Anyways, they've always been telling a story of Stannis being the most stalwart person in the history of forever. He's the first to put up the ladder because he's the rightful king, not because it's smart. Also, I think their plan was foiled by the wildfire i.e. Davos and several others were meant to be the first at the wall, but Strannis realized he had to go first in order to win


There's a story of the US general in charge of the Pacific front in WW2 being confused as to why the attacks he kept sending out were not successful, he found out that the soldiers were so scared of the Japanese that they weren't even flying to the targets, they were just flying to a perimeter then returning, without seeing any combat. Then the general put himself on the first ship of the attacks, and the missions began succeeding. Morale in war is a huge deal

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I think it has more to do with some of the choreography being off due to a limited budget. If this was Ridley Scott making the seige of Jerusalem, Stannis being on the front lines would have been more believable. The way it looked in GoT was that there was almost nobody defending where Stannis was, so it looked like a sore thumb.

Anyways, they've always been telling a story of Stannis being the most stalwart person in the history of forever. He's the first to put up the ladder because he's the rightful king, not because it's smart. Also, I think their plan was foiled by the wildfire i.e. Davos and several others were meant to be the first at the wall, but Strannis realized he had to go first in order to win

I think we'd need to ask a book-reader to let us know whether the depiction of Stannis being relatively unprotected / unescorted on the battlefield was either a story or budget-driven element. Either way, I found it relatively believable.

Stannis' troops probably still had a numerical advantage after the wildfire business; they have however a decided disadvantage in terms of equipment and overall cohesion. Recall that 2/3rds of his troops had been fighting for Renly just weeks earlier. They also generally looked more scraggly / more poorly equipped than their Lannister / city watch opposition. Dunno, but it seems likely that these disarrayed troops might shit the bed in the heat of the moment in terms of keeping their king well-protected.

Besides, it looked fn cool to see Stannis trying to hold the wall on his own for a little while.

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I think we'd need to ask a book-reader to let us know whether the depiction of Stannis being relatively unprotected / unescorted on the battlefield was either a story or budget-driven element. Either way, I found it relatively believable.

Stannis' troops probably still had a numerical advantage after the wildfire business; they have however a decided disadvantage in terms of equipment and overall cohesion. Recall that 2/3rds of his troops had been fighting for Renly just weeks earlier. They also generally looked more scraggly / more poorly equipped than their Lannister / city watch opposition. Dunno, but it seems likely that these disarrayed troops might shit the bed in the heat of the moment in terms of keeping their king well-protected.

Besides, it looked fn cool to see Stannis trying to hold the wall on his own for a little while.

Yeah battle logistics and choreography is something I try to not care about because the staff almost never know what they're doing. Because I've watched so much MMA, I can't even watch fight scenes anymore because of how unbearably unrealistic they are. That would be why I was impressed with Bronn killing those two guys; while it was still a little unrealistic, they made it very well

Probably the best action scenes I've seen were when Sanjuro quickly cut his opponent before he saw it coming, when Clint Eastwood quickly blasted the three dudes in what I think was Fistful of Dollars, and Erik Ponti in Ondskan

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There's a story of the US general in charge of the Pacific front in WW2 being confused as to why the attacks he kept sending out were not successful, he found out that the soldiers were so scared of the Japanese that they weren't even flying to the targets, they were just flying to a perimeter then returning, without seeing any combat. Then the general put himself on the first ship of the attacks, and the missions began succeeding. Morale in war is a huge deal

Yes but be careful about using anecdotal evidence. Napoleon is considered one of the greatest generals of all time, and he never inspired morale by fighting in the front lines. Neither would Julius Caesar charge ahead of his troops into a siege. I do agree stannis needed to boost morale after the big hit they took from the wildfire, but what would happen if the best marksman of the city watch put an arrow through his eye? Morale would be gone, they might aswell return to their ships and sail back home.

Personally I liked Tyrion's charge better, he knew their morale had tanked when Geoffrey was sent to his room by his mommy, so he did what he had to do to get them to fight. On that note, I wonder how badly hurt he got. I think it will just leave him a battle scar and he'll generally be fine, going down in a battle is his thing afterall. Can't spell pimp without imp.