2 hands v.s Villian

[sil693]

Really not understanding the love for preflop 3b ITT

[OngBonga]

Really not understanding the love for preflop 3b ITT

Your blind must be a joy to play against on the button.

[sil693]

Your blind must be a joy to play against on the button.

Because without some indication (other than steaks) that villain is calling 3bets light I look to keep their range as wide and therefore as weak as possible?

[Razvan729]

Because without some indication (other than steaks) that villain is calling 3bets light I look to keep their range as wide and therefore as weak as possible?

do you 3bet QQ+ , AK in this hand? if yes, why not JJ too? if no, why not?

[sil693]

do you 3bet QQ+ , AK in this hand? if yes, why not JJ too? if no, why not?

I'd 3bet QQ+, AK as standard because I'm quite happy getting it in pre - I wouldn't always 3bet JJ pre here because I'm less comfortable getting it in preflop, and dont want to 3b/fold.

fwiw I'm not arguing that I'm right here.

[Razvan729]

I'd 3bet QQ+, AK as standard because I'm quite happy getting it in pre - I wouldn't always 3bet JJ pre here because I'm less comfortable getting it in preflop, and dont want to 3b/fold.

fwiw I'm not arguing that I'm right here.

v what range are you happy to go AI pre w/ QQ+, AK but not JJ?

[sil693]

v what range are you happy to go AI pre w/ QQ+, AK but not JJ?

I understand the point you're making - but surely there has to be a cut off? If you're happy stacking off with JJ vs unknowns then what about 1010? 99? AQ?

Again, just outlining my thoughts - and fwiw I perceive 3b pots to be one of my biggest weaknesses.

Are you auto 3b/calling w JJ here everytime vs unknowns? I suppose its really not that likely that we'll 4bet so we can just 3b/fold?

[OngBonga]

Because without some indication (other than steaks) that villain is calling 3bets light I look to keep their range as wide and therefore as weak as possible?

I'm sure calling JJ here is going to show a long term profit. Question is can we make more from it in this spot by 3betting? If we're 3betting with A4s, K7s etc, then 3betting JJ is a no brainer. If we're not, well we should be unless BU is a nit.

His range is wide. He knows this, so when he sees a 3bet, he should know our 3bet range is wider than if we 3bet a different spot. Plus he has the button. So his calling range and 4betting range here is going to be at its widest. We have a great hand here, we're definitely ahead of his calling range, and probably good enough against his 4bet range to see a flop or get it in.

I'm not saying JJ should be an auto 3bet. I'm saying it should be default play on the BB against a BU steal, unless there's a good reason to not 3bet. I don't see a reason to not do it here.

[sil693]

There is a small chance I have learnt a lot from this thread. Admittedly a greater chance that I'm misapplying a fundamental topic - only time / more reading will tell.

But there is definitely a small chance.