[2NL] Suited Connectors ( Really Stuck )

[Cobra_1878]

OK, I get in these spots a lot and I am never really too sure on how I should play them.

Villain is 22/4 through 85 hands. He is also at 0% for Cbets on the flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($2.17)
UTG ($5.46)
MP ($5.89)
CO ($4)
Hero (Button) ($2)
SB ($0.92)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, 5
2 folds, CO bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, SB calls $0.11, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.38) Q, Q, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $0.37, Hero calls $0.37, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.12) 6 (2 players)
CO bets $1.08, Hero raises to $1.51 (All-In), CO calls $0.43

River: ($4.14) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.14

Sorry for posting the whole hand but I have no idea what I should be doing here? Am I getting the right odds to call on flop & shove on turn? Is it unlucky or just really bad play?

[bikes]

fold the flop lol

[surviva316]

Preflop is a really loose call against someone who has an insanely strong range and who is giving you a really bad price.

Low SCs are considered to have a lot of "playability" in position because they flop a lot of draws and like quadruple backdoors that allow you to float flops and see a lot of turns that you love and all of that stuff. In other words, it gives you a lot of opportunities to semi-bluff. In other words, fold equity is a very important aspect of playing these hands.

So when villain has the top 4% of hands in the world, it's going to be very tough to turn a profit with 54s getting less than 20:1 on our implied odds. We're just not going to flop 632 or 955 or XXXhhh boards all that much; it's much more often gonna be like A93r with a single heart.

[OngBonga]

fold the flop lol

Couldn't agree more.

[surviva316]

Oh and yeah this flop and villain's sizing/overall range isn't great. You're drawing to a hand that doesn't beat the current nuts and it's going to be the effective nut low flush when it hits. This is just like an insane-o ROI spot, and you're getting a terrible price (pot odds and implied odds).

I'm not grilling your or anything. The title of this post seemed like a cue to get into some of these concepts that are important for playing these type of hands.

[OngBonga]

lol only just saw villain opened x6 pre, man just fold pre.

[Icanhastreebet]

You have 5high pre, fold this versus everyone unless you specific reads that they c/f lots or are very prone to cbet and give up OR the alternative option is to 3b it pre which is >>> calling. I mean what are you really looking to flop w/ 5 high.

[Stacks]

I mean what are you really looking to flop w/ 5 high.

SOOOOOOOTED!

[Shotglass]

SOOOOOOOTED!

and connected

[Cobra_1878]

Preflop is a really loose call against someone who has an insanely strong range and who is giving you a really bad price.

Low SCs are considered to have a lot of "playability" in position because they flop a lot of draws and like quadruple backdoors that allow you to float flops and see a lot of turns that you love and all of that stuff. In other words, it gives you a lot of opportunities to semi-bluff. In other words, fold equity is a very important aspect of playing these hands.

So when villain has the top 4% of hands in the world, it's going to be very tough to turn a profit with 54s getting less than 20:1 on our implied odds. We're just not going to flop 632 or 955 or XXXhhh boards all that much; it's much more often gonna be like A93r with a single heart.

Thanks Surviva, that is exactly what I was looking for.

[OngBonga]

Turn is also a fold fwiw

[MadMojoMonkey]

Pre is meh. Calling IP w/ SC's is standard. It's the re-donk-ulous open to 6x that makes it interesting. Got any reads on open-bet sizing from this villain? For a smaller open, I'd call... as it is, I'd have to decide if I can outplay this villain post.

Is that 22/4 an "I'm so tight, I deserve to win 'em all" type?

15 outs on an unpaired board is one of my favorite things in the world... The board must be unpaired, though.

[OngBonga]

I don't mind calling a x3 open here if we've got good implied odds. If raise is 6c, then we're getting over 30:1 when we stack him, good enough to fish for a monster vs his ridic tight range. But this raise gives us barely enough to setmine him with a pp, so small scs, it's a no brainer fold, we need to be 200bb deep like villain and have reads that he's not going to fold KK/AA overpairs (I'm happy this guy won't fold these).

As for flop, just fold draws on paired board as standard. vs many villains, there's maybe a good argument for raising this flop, but not vs this guy, and calling sucks pretty much always imo. Fold pre, fold flop, fold turn.

[Hoopy]

Fold pre, he opened 6BB and we are only 100BB deep. Implied odds aren't enough here.

Fold flop, our draw is very weak and on paired boards we have less equity. If he had a wider range and cbet all the time we could maybe raise, but a pot bet is strong here.

[bikes]

[OngBonga]

Haha the one time I want to +rep bikes and I discover I can't. I can't +rep anyone, is it broke?

[surviva316]

I don't mind calling a x3 open here if we've got good implied odds. If raise is 6c, then we're getting over 30:1 when we stack him, good enough to fish for a monster vs his ridic tight range.

A lot of mention of implied odds and how much we're calling in comparison to how deep stacks are. I think it's fair to mention that stack sizes getting deeper and deeper doesn't just make our implied odds good with a hand that rarely makes the nuts (even in position). As the spr balloons (close to 30:1 in the example you gave where you would flat pre) the prospect of maybe getting a 5-high flush becomes much less of an easy implied odds spot.

It just so happens that I think this hand does get more playable in this spot as we get deeper, but it has to do with factors well beyond the fact that the call is small in comparison to stack sizes and even beyond considering that his hand is strong.

The fact that his range is insanely well defined and he's a bad player who will play this range exploitably (so the clearer the postflop reads, the much much much better our prospect of playing this hand in position gets) is really what makes us want to play this hand deep. It's very nice to have a good idea of where that exploitably lies (does he pay off way too much even when an obvious draw hits, or do obvious draws make him unnecessarily scared so we can bluff a lot on boards where we have backdoors and we can bluff when the non-backdoors hit, etc.).