*** Werewolves and Vampires II: Gameplay Thread ***

[TLR]

I am wondering if this long post by crazzvette wasnt a noob attempt of a turncoat to signal Ong
I dont think we are going to lose much by lynching crazz and if she happend to be a turncoat we get Ong as bonus
lynch crazz
P.S. what can we make out of Dan getting nommed

[Stacks]

Seriously weak defense Ong. Dissappointed.

God you lot are stupid. Yeah If I'm a wolf on Justin's team, I'm gonna try so hard to get him lynched so I look like a villager. Not gonna try and get joker lynched instead since that would be better for my team.

There is relatively little information to go on, yet you are calling me stupid for throwing out what appears to be the best lead we have at this time imo.

And starting the lynch wagon on Justin is what is best for the other wolves to do when they find out he isn't going to participate and that it's only a matter of time till he gets modkilled. Then once Wuf says there will be no modkills, lynching Joker would have been what is best for the wolf team. And your voting reflects that exactly. With you gungho after Justin until you see that there is no modkills, then you switched to Joker.

Me thinks you are throwing the "I tossed his name out early when we could have easily lynched another noob/joker, why would I do that as a wolf?" card a little too soon Ong.

Here's how it should appear to you lot... I'm obv not a wolf. Could be vamp, but I'm a wolf somewhere in the region of never.

Really? Never? You are already so obviously a villager that if others can't see it they are just incredibly oblivious? There could be no reasonable suspicion towards you at all. Especially none of what I wrote.

How the fuck is it not obvious?

You are going to have to do better than that to make it obvious you are a villager. Noone in the game is obviously anything at this point, and arguing that you are is just retarded.

This started the justin wagon, there wasn't 6 votes for him when I made this post. Boog chimed in almost immediately, and then I switched to get it rolling, and then BAM the wagon goes viral.

Not at all misleading if you take the time to read and understand what I was trying to say. Without going back to look again, I believe you rescinded your initial lynch for Justin to start the Joker wagon after Wuf said there would be no modkills. Then the Joker wagon picked up steam, and he had 6 votes, looking like he was probably getting lynched, when you decided to then throw Justin back out as a better lynch candidate.

So let's clear up your suspicion of me posting misleading information. It wasn't the Justin wagon that had 6 votes, it was the Joker wagon you started. Then when the Joker wagon is nearly full steam ahead, you decided to toss out Justin's name again. Seriously, you should just admit that it is supsicious, but a coincidence, rather than throwing out a defense of "OMG I"M OBV A VILLAGER". Come on now.

[OngBonga]

Ok so my defence was weak, I accept that. I'd just got out of bed.

The "isn't it obvious" comment was intended at jyms being a wofl. He's my top pick. I'd even go as far as to say he's on the wolf team, not vamps. He's all over the place and he's who looks most dodgy from the justin wagon for me.

I'm happy you're looking at the justin wagon. My point is though that with joker not on the wolf team, wolves would be far happier to lynch him in the hope justin shows up. Once the joker wagon fails, well justin would indeed be a good sacrifice, wolves will know he's toast. So yeah I think you're right to look at the justin wagon, but I think you're looking a little too early. I think myself and boog are clear, because we made it happen. But maybe I'm being a little hasty in assuming boog isn't a wolf, so yeah fine I accept I can't be considered non-wolf.

And yes I misunderstood what you said... I thought you were suggesting there were 6 votes for justin when I made my post trying to get him lynched. My bad.

I'm not a wolf. Fine, don't go putting me into your villager camp in any hurry, but don't just look at me from the justin wagon, because you're looking in the wrong place, and there's info there for sure.

[Stacks]

Currently Stax is at the top of my suspect list, I have not played with Jyms enough to get a good read on his play

But you do have a good read on my play?

I don't see why me being more active in this game is so strange. I mean I expected it to be pointed out that I'm being much more active than last game. But, I've been active in past games, both as a wolf and as a villager.

If you think I'm a wolf that felt the need to switch up my activity level from the last game (since I was a relatively quiet wolf that made it to the end game), I could retort by pointing out that it would have just been much easier to be relatively quiet again and when that drew suspicion wait for it to be pointed out that I was a quiet wolf last time, and unlikely to repeat that again drawing unnecessary suspicion. Not to mention doing the above would have left less information about me, and my hypothetical fellow wolves, in the thread.

I'm just trying to be more of a contribution to the thread. And enjoy trying to read people and find wolves/vampires, more so than having perfect information (barring villager specials) and trying to remain hidden.

[OngBonga]

I am wondering if this long post by crazzvette wasnt a noob attempt of a turncoat to signal Ong

No. Can't speak for crazv, maybe she is a turncoat, but she's not signalling to me here. I'm happy you're going for her before me though! I doubt she's a turncoat, I hope she's not now.

P.S. what can we make out of Dan getting nommed

Pretty much that there's a reg on the wolf team. Not much use. I think dan is high priority. I didn't think he was looking much like a special, so I'm guessing the nom was value, they feared him, rather than special hunting, but then again maybe there's an expert special hunter on the wolf team. That would point to those who regularly mod games... bigred and bikes, maybe even JKDS with his recent experience of special behaviour. But that's a thin read.

[Stacks]

My point is though that with joker not on the wolf team, wolves would be far happier to lynch him in the hope justin shows up. Once the joker wagon fails, well justin would indeed be a good sacrifice, wolves will know he's toast. So yeah I think you're right to look at the justin wagon, but I think you're looking a little too early. I think myself and boog are clear, because we made it happen.

This is basically what most of my suspicion towards you hinges around though.

I get that if you were a wolf having Joker get lynched is obviously a better result than having Justin get lynched. But it's better for a wolf you to start the Justin bandwagon rather than him getting modkilled. And as I stated, up until somewhere on page 3, everyone was under the assumption that inactives would be modkilled (as they usually are). I feel like it's likely that you would have known by this point that Justin wasn't going to participate and would eventually get modkilled. And it was up until right after wuf explained that there wouldn't be any modkills that you were going for a Justin lynch. Whereby, you then switched to Joker.

This is after Joker had already made his one and only appearance in the thread, making him more active than Justin. And it wasn't until Joker had more than half the votes needed to be lynched did you change back to Justin (starting the wagon).

[Shotglass]

rescind Ong
lynch Pascal

[OngBonga]

stacks, if I were a wolf, I'd have asked wuf like immediately after teams were announced how he's dealing with modkills. I imagine the wolves had this information before we did.

And yeah justin was my first bold. So I get this doesn't clear me. But don't assume wolves only knew how wuf was dealing with modkills when he posted itt. If they didn't ask wuf as soon as they saw justin on the team, well wolves are noobs themselves.

[Pascal]

Looks like Shotglass has decided to lynch me because I lynched him. I'm going to stick with my last post and lynch jyms

[TLR]

Looks like Shotglass has decided to lynch me because I lynched him. I'm going to stick with my last post and lynch jyms

[Pascal]

OK maybe not last post, forgot I changed to joker, but yea, last post seriously discussing stuff before we decided to lynch an inactive

[Stacks]

stacks, if I were a wolf, I'd have asked wuf like immediately after teams were announced how he's dealing with modkills. I imagine the wolves had this information before we did.

And yeah justin was my first bold. So I get this doesn't clear me. But don't assume wolves only knew how wuf was dealing with modkills when he posted itt. If they didn't ask wuf as soon as they saw justin on the team, well wolves are noobs themselves.

I don't get why you would immediately ask Wuf, as this is the first game I remember ever being a part of that doesn't have modkills, and as far as I know (haven't played the last few games), it's standard for inactives to be modkilled still.

Also you did ask Wuf about modkills in post #84.

So can I ask wufmod how long people have got before modkill?

Along with Shotglass a few posts later asking about the rules for modkills. Not sure if I've played with her, but shouldn't she know the rules? Other than wuf modding, I don't see why she would have a reason to believe it's any different than what has become typical?

Idk, regarding modkills, it really just feels like you had a particularly vested interest in it from very early on. Calling out inactives, and asking when people are getting modkilled on page 2, when it was definitely possible some people didn't even know the game had started yet, as TLR/myself/Joker/Justin hadn't posted yet.

[OngBonga]

My "vested interest" was because of the number of noobs, I recognised the potential for inactives in a large field. You and TLR, you guys have a habit of taking your time to get started. I'm not bitching, I'm merely explaining why I gave you two slack and focussed on joker and justin. Chelle and crazv were quick to get involved, so I cut them some slack too.

I would immediately ask wuf because I'd want to know how much time they have.

And me asking itt... that can be villager ong or wolf ong, I'd ask wuf later in the thread as well as privately at the start, in case I fucked up and made it obvious I knew they were ok to just float by. Myself and shotty asking wuf itt, it means nothing either way.

I'm telling you, wolves either asked wuf immediately or wolves are noobs. Wouldn't you ask wuf is justin was on your team?

[OngBonga]

Looks like Shotglass has decided to lynch me because I lynched him. I'm going to stick with my last post and lynch jyms

Shotglass is a "her".

With legs and a bong.

[Pascal]

Oh fuck, my mistake sorry!!

[Shotglass]

Shotglass is a "her".

With legs and a bong.

and a few lines occasionally

@ Pascal- my bolding you has nothing to do with your bold of me. I'm torn between you, Crazz, Ong, and bikes. bikes' comments were well written. If Ong's a wolf then he'll be easy enough to catch later. I'm curious to see what kind of stupid shit that crazz posts later...so that leaves...you.

Although, both Gator and Red have been extremely quiet and if they don't post in the next few hours then I'd happily get on a bw for either.

[Shotglass]

Oh fuck, my mistake sorry!!

no worries

[Stacks]

And me asking itt... that can be villager ong or wolf ong, I'd ask wuf later in the thread as well as privately at the start, in case I fucked up and made it obvious I knew they were ok to just float by. Myself and shotty asking wuf itt, it means nothing either way.

I'm telling you, wolves either asked wuf immediately or wolves are noobs. Wouldn't you ask wuf is justin was on your team?

Just glad you acknowledged that asking in the thread doesn't clear you as a villager. Also obviously doesn't condemn you as a wolf.

I wouldn't have asked immediately. I mean given it would have been a shitty situation to have what is likely going to be an inactive player on my team, but I would have simply accepted it was a shitty draw and that he would likely be handled the same as modkills in the past, and play accordingly.

You say you would act differently there and asked, and that's possibly true.

[Shotglass]

ya know what, fuck it. Gator is too dangerous to leave alive until mid/end game without applying some heat...so might as well start now

rescind Pascal
lynch Gator

[Stacks]

I don't like the idea of lynching Crazzette. I think it's unlikely a noob baddie would make such a long response due to fear of outting herself. Not to mention noob baddies are good for us in the end game (if they are participating) as they are easier reads, and more likely to link themselves to others.

[Shotglass]

I don't like the idea of lynching Crazzette. I think it's unlikely a noob baddie would make such a long response due to fear of outting herself. Not to mention noob baddies are good for us in the end game (if they are participating) as they are easier reads, and more likely to link themselves to others.

I disagree with the first part, but not so much the second.

I think that her post is a great example of how a player on her first game, as a turncoat (feeling all alone and not able to communicate with your team) would try to get a message to the other baddies.
However, I do think that we should watch Ong's and crazz's post pretty closely because, for right now, it's one of the best leads that we have.

[Shotglass]

err...i meant watch their future posts

[Shotglass]

all of the above combined with the previously mentioned evidence against Ong paints a pretty damning picture

[wufwugy]

Day 2 is ending around this time tomorrow

[Chelle]

How the fuck am I being voted to be lynched?

Am I gonna have to murder crazette irl for being 4 ft 11, it's well known that I'm the 4 ft 11 bitch around here, and I'm keeping that god damn title.

And so because of both this attempt of terrible RP, and the fact that she's attempting to take my place as the short chick...



rescind jyms
lynch crazzvette


I never want to read writing that terrible, again. Worse than Stephanie Meyer.

[Vinland]

No offense to Crazvette but thats a pretty elaborate, levelling post for a first timer. I think her posts are exactly how it reads, she's trying to have fun and fit in.

I'm still eyeballing Jyms
but also Chelle due to inactivity overall.

[Chelle]

I've been busy doing wimmens stuff.

You know, laying on my back, cleaning, eating bon-bons, bitching, cooking, and barefoot in kitchen with a baby on my hip.

[Vinland]

I've been busy doing wimmens stuff.

You know, laying on my back, cleaning, eating bon-bons, bitching, cooking, and barefoot in kitchen with a baby on my hip.

Liar! We know you like doggy style, are a slob, only eat fresh raw meat and eat babies so your post is nothing but misdirection....
The bitching part....well ok thats prob the truth...

[OngBonga]

lol

So has vinland played before? Because he don't look much like a noob to me.

Cue gizmo...

[Chelle]

Liar! We know you like doggy style, are a slob, only eat fresh raw meat and eat babies so your post is nothing but misdirection....
The bitching part....well ok thats prob the truth...

Actually, doggy style isn't all that great, imo
I'm rather unorganized at the moment since I've been out of the hospital sinnnnnce last week and still not very strong.
I like my meat cooked.
Keep babies away from me.

I'm not much of a bitcher.

[GatorJH]

Although, both Gator and Red have been extremely quiet and if they don't post in the next few hours then I'd happily get on a bw for either.

I can't get on FTR at work and was too busy to get in on my iPhone to catch the early game antics.

My thoughts are as follows:

Chelle is definitely too quiet so I can get on board with that lynch.

I could hang out with vette and thought her post was very original.

Jyms confuses me, but as I mentioned early if he is a wolf it will be very evident later on.

But more than anything else Ong's defense posts seem way to weak for me to ignore so I am going to go with a lynch ong, but may switch to chelle.

[JKDS]

Yeah, im not seeing anything but fluff from crazyv. But then again, im not seeing anything but fluff from most players.

Cmon lets lynch ongabonga! Itll be fun! He'll be all like "noooooo dun lynch me!" and we'll all be like "enjoy your crumpets and tea in hell!" and then he'll be all "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo you spelled tea wronggggg it has a u in it!!!!"

So ya, lynch ong

[jackvance]

Bikes should take some anger management classes. But the one person that confuses me, and who I was silently referring to earlier, is Vinland. Dunno the guy but he has a very peculiar vet-like way of posting. This stands out to me more than the merry-go-round that is going on on the foreground atm.

lynch Vinland

[Shotglass]

@ gator- good enough for me

I agree, like I wrote earlier, I think the evidence against Ong is just too damning to have such a weak defense. If we lynch Ong and he turns out to be a baddie then crazz should be next in line, imo.
rescind Gator
lynch Ong

[Chelle]

I can't get on FTR at work and was too busy to get in on my iPhone to catch the early game antics.

My thoughts are as follows:

Chelle is definitely too quiet so I can get on board with that lynch.

I could hang out with vette and thought her post was very original.

Jyms confuses me, but as I mentioned early if he is a wolf it will be very evident later on.

But more than anything else Ong's defense posts seem way to weak for me to ignore so I am going to go with a lynch ong, but may switch to chelle.

THE FUCK, BRO?!

[jyms]

Stacks makes good points. Taht said so did bikes. We need to use whatever we got on day two whether it's sound logic or not. I think we should force quiet posters to post more by lynching the inactives

But that said, vinland, I am the only FTR'r that eats babies so.....

lynch Chelle

[jyms]

bikes makes a good point and so does stacks. That said, on day two all we have is whatever we come up with logically, faulty or not. Teh only way to get inactives to post is to start lynching them.

That said, vinland, I am the only one that eats babies on FTR, so.....

Lynch chelle

[Pascal]

Quick reply is kinda bugged atm, it'll make your post but it won't show til you refresh the page

[jyms]

fucking reply box is fucking up on me, but the same point was made

[jackvance]

Meanwhile, paraphrasing one's own posts.

[jyms]

Ya it totally deleted what I wrote. I had wrote much more twice and was just trying to get a post in, hard to remember what I wrote the first time word for word

[Chelle]

That's it. I'm taking down the pic of my tits pic in the commune.

[bikes]

in the interests of moving the game forward
rescind crazz
lynch ongbonga

for the multiple reasons.

his defense is weaksauce.
i don't want to read his long ended windbag posts during mid game. this is +EV for all btw.
he's a dirty brit.

[OngBonga]

K well I'm not gonna kick up a stink if you wanna kill me off. I spend too much time playing this game anyway, I can play more pokers. Fill your boots.

I'll say this though... I think wolves think I'm a vamp and vamps think I'm a wolf. If I die today, have a nice long look who's keen to see me die.

JKDS, bikes and gator all look questionable to me, especially gator and JKDS. Why do they want rid of someone who puts time into the game? I annoy bikes so I can see why he's quick to jump on.

Stacks and shotty, both villagers imo. Their reasons for voting me seem more sincere. Might be wrong.

Oh, JKDS, you didn't actually bold me.

[NightGizmo]

Why isn't Ong defending himself? I expect villager Ong to fire a barrage of posts when the votes start piling up against him.

Since we still have almost a full day left I'm leaving my vote on Chelle, who hasn't contributed much of value to the village yet. But if Ong doesn't want to defend himself...

[NightGizmo]

Ha, Ong slipped a post in right ahead of me.

[bigred]

Whoa, have I posted anything on day 2 yet? This day is going by quickly. Let me read through all your bs drivel poor excuses for a posts and cut right through to the bad guys.

[bigred]

fucking reply box is fucking up on me, but the same point was made

When I post and hit quick reply my post doesn't show up unless I refresh. WTF mate?

[bigred]

Nothing new has impressed me enough to change my vote from lynch gator

The village will rue the day they let him live lone enough to inflict his wolfy damage throughout this game.

[OngBonga]

Well I don't wanna lynch chelle, and gator stinks of wolf sweat, so in the interests of self preservation I'll hop on that one.

lynch gator

[OngBonga]

Actually fuck that rescind gator
lynch bigred

3 minutes after he says he's gonna catch up he's posting that nothing new changes his mind and gator is his choice.

That was a quick read. Methinks he's full of shit.

[bikes]

Actually fuck that rescind gator
lynch bigred

3 minutes after he says he's gonna catch up he's posting that nothing new changes his mind and gator is his choice.

That was a quick read. Methinks he's full of shit.

you flip flop more than mitt romney

[Chelle]

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DEVIL IN HER

ANGEL EYESSSSSS


stop wanting to kill me off, guys, I'm your friend, not foe.

...fags.

[OngBonga]

Solid defence.

Lynch bigred with me chelle, it's like stamping on a kitten, only it doesn't mess up your boots.

[Chelle]

...what the fuck, i LOVE kittens, look at my avatar for god's sake!

[Chelle]

also - I don't wear boots. stilletos, flats, or HK vans only.

[Chelle]

Also - is there anyway I can get like, my full house turned into -just- a queen of hearts? cause well, that'd be ballin.

[OngBonga]

...what the fuck, i LOVE kittens, look at my avatar for god's sake!

I like kittens too, I was just trying to find the words that hurt bigred the most.

I just burned some hair lighting this ciggie. Is that you dishing karma out my way?

[Chelle]

Well, I'm a redhead - and they're considered witches sometimes.

Mebbe I did some warble garble and made that happen... :O

[Chelle]

Obv it's cause I'm a witch, cause the redhair.

Also - OH MAH GAWD QUEEN OF HEARTS, PANTIES WET.

[bigred]

Actually fuck that rescind gator
lynch bigred

3 minutes after he says he's gonna catch up he's posting that nothing new changes his mind and gator is his choice.

That was a quick read. Methinks he's full of shit.

LOL, do you think I've ever spent more than 3 minutes "catching up"?

[OngBonga]

Yeah bigred is a fat stinking catwolf. A ginger one at that. And not the good kind of ginger, like chelle (no more hair burning karma please, scares me), the bad kind of ginger, like male ginger.

Seriously, he posts...

Let me read through all your bs drivel poor excuses for a posts and cut right through to the bad guys.

And within three minutes he's made two more posts, one a compalint about how quick post is fucked, and the second he says he's happy with gator.

He didn't read the thread, he couldn't be arsed, he's got at least a full page to read up on. He's not wolf hunting, he's floating by with fluff.

wolf.

[Chelle]

Ong. You're going to burn your hair again.

Within the next 27 minutes.

[bigred]

WHATEVER ONG YOU DON'T KNOW ME

[OngBonga]

Ong. You're going to burn your hair again.

Within the next 27 minutes.

Well that's my cue to fuck off to bed.

[kiwiMark]

Yeah bigred is a fat stinking catwolf. A ginger one at that. And not the good kind of ginger, like chelle (no more hair burning karma please, scares me), the bad kind of ginger, like male ginger.

Seriously, he posts...



And within three minutes he's made two more posts, one a compalint about how quick post is fucked, and the second he says he's happy with gator.

He didn't read the thread, he couldn't be arsed, he's got at least a full page to read up on. He's not wolf hunting, he's floating by with fluff.

wolf.

JUST BECAUSE WE'RE LAZY DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE STACKS. You guys use lots of words to talk about your feelings.

fwiw I'm not actually defending bigred, I'm just using the comparison of myself to both bigred and stacks to cleverly remind a charming village, that already voted me most handsome, how lovable I am.

I find myself naturally suspicious of ong and shotglass because they're splashing around making a lot of "lynch.....uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...HIM. NO WAIT HIM." noise, but mainly that's maybe because it's the opposite of how I'm playing. I don't really know what's going on and so am trying to remain quiet to avoid making posts like this one where I link myself to probably-wolf-vampire-harrison-ford-hybrid bigred for the sake of an easy joke.

4 other people that are getting away with being inactive as shit:

boog
boog
that boog guy
boog

[jackvance]

FYI last game ong had suspected literally everyone before he finally died, so nothing special there, and Shotty always flips her vote a lot. (as villagers) So can't deduce much from that.

[TLR]

The game format makes it unwise to lynch good players early unless we have a very good reason to determine they are witches/vamps, I did not see enough to be convinced that there is a reason to lynch Gator

I am sticking with my crazz for now

Next on my suspect list are Boog, Stax and BR

[OngBonga]

I didn't dream about hair fire, my dreams are safe.

Kiwi, it's what I do, I point fingers and accuse everyone because, well, it's fun. I have this debate with someone every game, like "omg ong thinks he can soulread the game on day two" and I'm all like "lol no I don't think that but I make people post" and they're like "you're a twat, shut up" and I'm like "no, die wolf" etc and it makes the first few days fun.

[Shotglass]

The game format makes it unwise to lynch good players early unless we have a very good reason to determine they are witches/vamps, I did not see enough to be convinced that there is a reason to lynch Gator

Same can be said for Ong.

Kiwi, it's what I do, I point fingers and accuse everyone because, well, it's fun. I have this debate with someone every game, like "omg ong thinks he can soulread the game on day two" and I'm all like "lol no I don't think that but I make people post" and they're like "you're a twat, shut up" and I'm like "no, die wolf" etc and it makes the first few days fun.

rescind Ong
Lynch Boog
He disappears every game. Much more fun to play with someone who actually participates.

[OngBonga]

Aw man it's bigred's birthday.

rescind bigred















lynch bigred

[Shotglass]

birthday lynching?

[OngBonga]

Well I wanna lynch bigred or jyms but it looks like it's between me, chelle and crazv so on that basis...

rescind bigred
lynch crazvette

[crazzvette]

rescind bikes
lynch ongbonga

[Shotglass]

crazz seems to be just doing revenge votes.

C'mon people, seriously, how many games has boog started and then disappeared? Shouldn't we send a message that both villagers and baddies need to play and won't be able to coast by? IDK about y'all but I'd much rather read Ong's page long posts or crazz's crazy posts than boog's indifference.