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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I got my info from List of United States cities by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    academia is lame as fuck and so are "job market prospects"



    because i can't put 100% of effort into both, also to this and the quoted part above, i'm most of the way through a BS in applied mathematics but i'm super disillusioned with the whole go to college -> get a job making someone else rich -> die scenario
    I've seen various documentaries and other sources talking about how in the US, basically colleges fees are reaching record highs, they are taking more students than ever, handing out degrees for anything and everything, and at the end the job market is so poor that there's hardly any real work you can get in your field and you end up having to take some crap job totally unrelated to your qualifications, and a couple hundred grand in student debt to make things worse.

    Is it really that bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    I've seen various documentaries and other sources talking about how in the US, basically colleges fees are reaching record highs, they are taking more students than ever, handing out degrees for anything and everything, and at the end the job market is so poor that there's hardly any real work you can get in your field and you end up having to take some crap job totally unrelated to your qualifications, and a couple hundred grand in student debt to make things worse.

    Is it really that bad?
    I know this is spoon's thread, but yeah, pretty much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    I know this is spoon's thread, but yeah, pretty much.
    this
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    Spoon, I'd try to not think about it like 'make someone else rich' -> 'die'. I mean, I know this is somewhat of an exaggeration and you probably don't see it in black and white.

    I guess we could argue whether it is an inherently 'bad' thing that your work would lead to another person's financial gain. I'd bring up points like, well, this individual who would theoretically profit from your work is someone (in general, of course) who took a risk to start such a company in the first place, risking his own financial ruin, etc, and that absent these type of long-run payoffs no one would be trying to start firms at all. Of course, there are counter arguments to this, usually in the vein of anti-capitalist sentiment, and we'd then be arguing over ideology and judgment calls and get nowhere. So there's no benefit to even going there really.

    Instead, I ask you why don't you view it from a perspective of your own self-interest? Clearly, working a job that requires your quantitative skills would likely lead to higher income, and the subject matter might be somewhat interesting to you to boot. The hours might be long, but they'd be well-compensated. So you could, in some measure, have the potential for a more secure life down the road by completing your education.

    Re academia, I find it strange you'd have such a negative opinion of it. Do you feel that professors of mathematics don't contribute anything to society, that research in math is trivial and inconsequential? Do you not agree with the lifestyle the professors enjoy (i.e. I know some people who hate the idea of tenure and feel it should be abolished)? Or is it that, at your age, you feel the time commitment would be too much for an uncertain future -- i'm referring here specifically to your pursuing a PhD?

    I apologize if I'm assuming / asking too much here, just trying to understand your motivations. Feel free to ignore this if you think I'm being a pompous ass (not at all my intention though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    I've seen various documentaries and other sources talking about how in the US, basically colleges fees are reaching record highs, they are taking more students than ever, handing out degrees for anything and everything, and at the end the job market is so poor that there's hardly any real work you can get in your field and you end up having to take some crap job totally unrelated to your qualifications, and a couple hundred grand in student debt to make things worse.

    Is it really that bad?
    Lol, yes this is how it is. It's kind of tilting that a Euro has to ask if it is really this bad like it's an apocalyptic scenario coming from your world. If you were an American talking to an American and were like, "I just came to the realization that . . . " and said all of the things you just said, then the other American would knock on your forehead and be like, "Welcome to the real world, Jeremy." They would, then, likely talk you into thinking that affairs are delightfully uncomplicated and give you a handy in the office break room.

    Wait, I digressed there for a minute. Anyway, maybe one day Americans will realize that it doesn't HAVE to be like that in the real world.
    Last edited by surviva316; 09-28-2012 at 06:19 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    I've seen various documentaries and other sources talking about how in the US, basically colleges fees are reaching record highs, they are taking more students than ever, handing out degrees for anything and everything, and at the end the job market is so poor that there's hardly any real work you can get in your field and you end up having to take some crap job totally unrelated to your qualifications, and a couple hundred grand in student debt to make things worse.

    Is it really that bad?
    Sounds a lot like the UK heh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascal View Post
    Sounds a lot like the UK heh!
    Yup, the moneywise advice now is that if you can manage the language it is cheaper to go to a non uk European University.

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