*** Super Meta Werewolf Gameplay Thread ***

[Pascal]

You do realize that lolzzz has more posts than you, right?

Quantity not quality, at least I've put effort into trying to find wolves and posted my thoughts etc. I've also repeatedly said why I've been inactive and I'll be active from now

[gabe]

yea all the evidence on me is framed that way. "if gabe was a wolf, he would say that trying to look like a villager!" but reality is I'm just a villager. my posts just kinda flow out. now I'm pretty sure lolz can't be a wolf, but if I rescind you could say "that's what a wolf would do!"

the way gizmo posts it seems like he has a wolf brain that's been conditioned this week to not let anything slip. that's why he's only focused on things I do where he thought I slipped instead of looking at why I might've reasoned certain ways

[NightGizmo]

yea all the evidence on me is framed that way. "if gabe was a wolf, he would say that trying to look like a villager!" but reality is I'm just a villager. my posts just kinda flow out. now I'm pretty sure lolz can't be a wolf, but if I rescind you could say "that's what a wolf would do!"

the way gizmo posts it seems like he has a wolf brain that's been conditioned this week to not let anything slip. that's why he's only focused on things I do where he thought I slipped instead of looking at why I might've reasoned certain ways

No, it's bad reasoning like this that makes me think you're a wolf. In your first paragraph, you're arguing with a comment made by Hoopy. Then you use that to attack my arguments against you in the second paragraph, even though none of my central arguments used the "A wolf would do this to look villagery" line.

What's even funnier -- your central argument for me being a wolf is the "wolf would this to look villagery" crap -- you claim that my vote on spidey was a wolf trying to look like a villager. Quit trying to manipulate the village using bad logic.

[Hoopy]

yea all the evidence on me is framed that way. "if gabe was a wolf, he would say that trying to look like a villager!" but reality is I'm just a villager. my posts just kinda flow out. now I'm pretty sure lolz can't be a wolf, but if I rescind you could say "that's what a wolf would do!"

the way gizmo posts it seems like he has a wolf brain that's been conditioned this week to not let anything slip. that's why he's only focused on things I do where he thought I slipped instead of looking at why I might've reasoned certain ways

Good post, I agree with most of it. We've got to be careful to not level ourselves in this game.

[rong]

lol at the 2 posts above me.

[rong]

Explains why we're having problems.

[a500lbgorilla]

NightGizmo's wolf-stock is dropping
gabe's is rising.

Two quick novel thoughts: It seems that there's wide spread agreement that lolzzz should go and no one trying to make a move this way suggesting that he's probably a villager AND anyone prior to this post expressing any uneasiness as to how this lynch is working out banks villager-points.

[jyms]

The thing with taking out lolz is not just that we may get a wolf, but it should be to put pressure on the inactives to post more for our endgame. Many of us have already stated that if we get down to 7-8 players and all the inactives are still around there is no chance to put pieces together. I'm not sure there are any pieces to put together after lolz turns up wolf or not. I'm not sure it matters since it wasn't the point of the lynch

[a500lbgorilla]

Oh I understand

[wufwugy]

Looks like lolz just got roflpocalypsed. He was a villager

The Living

bigred
ongbonga
pascal
jkds
rong
hoopy
gabe
boog
rilla
jyms
gizmo
dranger
galapogos

The Dead

shotty lynched on Day 1
gator nom'd on Night 1
crazzvette modkilled on Day 2
dtb lynched on Day 2
tlr nom'd on Day 3/Night 2
lolz lynched on Day 3

The Roles

9 villagers
4 wolves

It is Night 3. Wolves have till 2:00 PM PST to send me a kill. You can talk, but no hunting

[a500lbgorilla]

lynch JKDS

[bigred]

Well Fuck.

MY GIVE UP

[a500lbgorilla]

You didn't expect him to be a villager?

[bigred]

Do you want me to also respond with a rhetorical, condescending question...bro?

[a500lbgorilla]

Do you want me to also respond with a rhetorical, condescending question...bro?

You didn't expect him to be a villager, though?

[bigred]

I guess in hindsight you'd expect a wolf to try a little harder. Why is trips allowed to play?!?!?

[gabe]

given the inactives, he's 0% to be a wolf if we reach the lynch count before the day is over

rilla I don't see how you think gizmo wolf stock is going down. either jkds or him was getting lynched before he finally made a long attempt at a meaningful post. I think if one of them is a wolf so is the other, otherwise gizmo would've happily bolded jkds

[dranger7070]

^^This could be classified as hunting, no?^^

[a500lbgorilla]

given the inactives, he's 0% to be a wolf if we reach the lynch count before the day is over

rilla I don't see how you think gizmo wolf stock is going down. either jkds or him was getting lynched before he finally made a long attempt at a meaningful post. I think if one of them is a wolf so is the other, otherwise gizmo would've happily bolded jkds

I dunno how to say this without avoiding a self-fulfilling proficiency of sorts but I've come to expect a certain German-ethic from NightGizmo's posts and through his offense on you (and total lack of offense on me) it seems that he's not only making a good case on you, but believing in it on its own merits, while you come across as increasingly manipulative.

And once you accept the notion that you seem manipulative, rocks start rolling downhill.

[a500lbgorilla]

lynch JKDS
lynch gabe
lynch bigred
lynch Hoopy

Feels good.

[gabe]

haha ok. I'll have to think about things. guess I'll be pushing for jkds first cuz hoopy and bigred have played pretty neutral styles

[a500lbgorilla]

This

i think talking during the wolfnom period is new, no one has done it before, so it makes sense that people dont see eye-to-eye on it. hard to make a big judgement just on that but i see what youre saying. also i think its v v unlikely jkds started off as a wolf because of how he immediately went for spidey before there was any sign he could be inactive modkilled. this means if hes a wolf he has to be the 1/15 shot of being the villager converted into a wolf. nightgizmo is in the mix of the original 3 wolves which means theres more possibly games where gizmo is a wolf, if that makes sense

This

its really hard to be a wolf and post as much as jyms

heres a good post from 2p2 on strategy
"The subconscious mind is extremely powerful. It is impossible to turn it off, or ignore it. Have you ever looked at text and tried not to read it? It's impossible. Your brain does it for you. When villagers read posts, their brains make judgements. It's automatic. This doesn't happen for wolves, because they already know the answers. There's nothing to figure out. They have to use their conscious mind to try to determine how they would react to each post as a villager. It's tough work. And to make matters even worse, they aren't trying to make cases for why wolves are wolfy, or why villagers are villagery. They want to do the opposite. Trying to fabricate believable arguments takes time. In general, a player's wolf game is going to be several levels behind their villager game, in terms of amount of content and quality of logic. The gap is a result of the lack of subconscious help, and the need to consciously fabricate arguments."

just doesnt seem likely that jyms would postspew this much if he was a wolf. there are many people i would rather see hang before him

And this (with emphasis)

yea all the evidence on me is framed that way. "if gabe was a wolf, he would say that trying to look like a villager!" but reality is I'm just a villager. my posts just kinda flow out. now I'm pretty sure lolz can't be a wolf, but if I rescind you could say "that's what a wolf would do!"

the way gizmo posts it seems like he has a wolf brain that's been conditioned this week to not let anything slip. that's why he's only focused on things I do where he thought I slipped instead of looking at why I might've reasoned certain ways

From someone who has a rich history of cracking the minds of others suggests you know exactly the color of camo best for your environment.

[wufwugy]

Yo I said no hunting/wolfing etc. I know it may be confusing because we did it for one day/night, but we can't keep doing it because it will get waaaaay too imbalanced in the final days

[bigred]

Sorry, wufbro. I missed the whole wuf changing his mind after changing his mind about the rules thing.

[Galapogos]

I miss the seer.

[OngBonga]

I miss SDM

[bigred]

I MISS LAMP

[wufwugy]

Giz to the hizmo is dead. He was a villager

The Living

bigred
ongbonga
pascal
jkds
rong
hoopy
gabe
boog
rilla
jyms
dranger
galapogos

The Dead

shotty lynched on Day 1
gator nom'd on Night 1
crazzvette modkilled on Day 2
dtb lynched on Day 2
tlr nom'd on Day 3/Night 2
lolz lynched on Day 3
gizmo nom'd on Night 3

The Roles

8 villagers
4 wolves

It is Day 4, which will end at 2:00 PM PST on Thursday. 7 votes to lynch

[a500lbgorilla]

Are we allowed to wolf-hunt during the day?

[gabe]

well guess I was wrong about that. nomming gizmo is pretty level 1 wolf trickery. if I was a wolf my survival rate drops big time when gizmo turns out to be a villager. I've got no idea where we should start

[wufwugy]

Are we allowed to wolf-hunt during the day?

[a500lbgorilla]

well guess I was wrong about that. nomming gizmo is pretty level 1 wolf trickery. if I was a wolf my survival rate drops big time when gizmo turns out to be a villager. I've got no idea where we should start

We should start here lynch gabe

[gabe]

pascal jkds bigred gala is my short list. everyone else seems villagery. bah

[gabe]

If a smart wolf is supposed to act like a villager, what is a smart villager supposed to act like? I'm not a wolf. I've also never made it to the end of a game before because people always think I'm a wolf fwiw

[a500lbgorilla]

If a smart wolf is supposed to act like a villager, what is a smart villager supposed to act like? I'm not a wolf. I've also never made it to the end of a game before because people always think I'm a wolf fwiw

He'd be smart enough to figure it out.

[rong]

lynch jyms

and no, I'm not repeating the reasons, look them up if you want to.

[JKDS]

Ong and gabe are wolves here, like everytime.

[rong]

Ong, Jyms, JKDS, Gabe

Fits quite well imo. But I'm sure one of the inactives will turn out to be a wolf, so substitute a random inactive with any one of those.

[Hoopy]

Kind of a strange kill by the wolves, as it seems to make things clearer.

At this point 1 of rilla/gabe is a wolf, with gabe being the far more likely.

Ong and gabe are wolves here, like everytime.

Why is Ong a wolf?

[BooG690]

It seems pretty evident to me that the leadership of the village is pretty wolfy. I'm talking about jyms, rilla, and gabe. I don't think rilla and gabe are ever both wolves. I'm down to lynch either jyms or gabe today with gabe being the better lynch since it gives us more information on rilla.

I suspect rilla since, if gabe isn't a wolf, "nomming gizmo is pretty level 1 wolf trickery," as gabe said. I think it's likely that rilla would have been one of the woles behind the "level 1 wolf trickery."

I don't want to have two gabe votes bolded when there are still four wolves left who can easily make this a short day if gabe turns out to be a villager but consider my vote for gabe when it comes down to it. I say we extend this day as long as possible since we need all the information we can get.

[a500lbgorilla]

It seems pretty evident to me that the leadership of the village is pretty wolfy. I'm talking about jyms, rilla, and gabe. I don't think rilla and gabe are ever both wolves. I'm down to lynch either jyms or gabe today with gabe being the better lynch since it gives us more information on rilla.

I suspect rilla since, if gabe isn't a wolf, "nomming gizmo is pretty level 1 wolf trickery," as gabe said. I think it's likely that rilla would have been one of the woles behind the "level 1 wolf trickery."

I don't want to have two gabe votes bolded when there are still four wolves left who can easily make this a short day if gabe turns out to be a villager but consider my vote for gabe when it comes down to it. I say we extend this day as long as possible since we need all the information we can get.

Boog is in this game?

[a500lbgorilla]

At this point 1 of rilla/gabe is a wolf

Go on.

I'm talking about jyms, rilla, and gabe. I don't think rilla and gabe are ever both wolves.I suspect rilla since, if gabe isn't a wolf, "nomming gizmo is pretty level 1 wolf trickery," as gabe said...

Go on.

[Hoopy]

Yeah, Dan is a villager for sure.

Out the 2 really inactive players (BooG + Pascal) I think Pascal is far more likely to be a wolf what with his promises to post more and late hop on the lolzzz wagon. Not lynching either of them today though.

[BooG690]

Out the 2 really inactive players (BooG + Pascal)...

How the hell am I considered more inactive than lolzzz or Bigred? They've both posted a bunch of bullshit to increase their post count. I can do that too. Watch this.

[BooG690]

OMGOMGLOLSO DRUNK

[BooG690]

hey guys, look at me. I'm lolzzz and I don't care.

[BooG690]

Anywho, I'm not gonna do more of that bullshit. Either way, lolzzz and Bigred are on that inactive list and Hoopy has two gaping holes in his list. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and call it an oversight.

As for rilla, what would you like to hear? Do you agree that either one of you or gabe are a wolf in most of the village's eyes?

[a500lbgorilla]

As for rilla, what would you like to hear? Do you agree that either one of you or gabe are a wolf in most of the village's eyes?

Your second sentence makes absolutely zero sense to me.

WTF do your thoughts have to do with "most of the village's eyes"

And WTF do "most of the village's eyes" have to do with your believe that there is 1 wolf within {rilla, gabe}?

[Hoopy]

Go on.

The best 2 players in the game are still alive by day 4. Why would they leave both of you alive? The risk of you finding them isn't worth the reward of maybe inducing the village into lynching the both of you later on.

If 1 of you is a wolf then it's definitely possible you're leaving the other guy alive just to try and outplay him.

[a500lbgorilla]

The best 2 players in the game are still alive by day 4. Why would they leave both of you alive? The risk of you finding them isn't worth the reward of maybe inducing the village into lynching the both of you later on.

If 1 of you is a wolf then it's definitely possible you're leaving the other guy alive just to try and outplay him.

You know nothing about the wolves, let alone their names, but you know enough to know what they're thinking?

[BooG690]

My thoughts have nothing to do with what the rest of the villager thinks. You seem to be questioning the thoughts I posted but I'm trying to make you see that it's pretty normal to question the leadership (jyms, gabe, and yourself) when gizmo is eaten and confirmed to be a villager.

[BooG690]

Also, I'd like to point out Dranger hasn't done much of anything since his attempt to get jyms lynched.

[OngBonga]

Ong and gabe are wolves here, like everytime.

Solid case. Cmon man give me something to defend against. Something more than me somehow being inactive.

fwiw I agree about gabe. It sure looks like we have wolves in the <gabe jyms rilla> pool. I don't understand the gizmo lynch unless they've run out of top vets to nom. Gizmo would fit into the next pool of strong players. This points at rilla and gabe. But maybe that's what they want us to think.

banana built a very strong case against jyms, and gizmo presented us with a solid case for gabe. Looks pretty clear to me there's at least one wolf here, prob two.

rilla is less clear but the fact he's still here raises questions. Either he's a wolf or he's leading the village in the wrong direction.

It's jyms or gabe today imo, I'm down with either.

[a500lbgorilla]

My thoughts have nothing to do with what the rest of the villager thinks. You seem to be questioning the thoughts I posted but I'm trying to make you see that it's pretty normal to question the leadership (jyms, gabe, and yourself) when gizmo is eaten and confirmed to be a villager.

Great, you know how to sound normal.

[Hoopy]

Either way, lolzzz and Bigred are on that inactive list and Hoopy has two gaping holes in his list. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and call it an oversight.

Hey BooG, we lynched lolzzz yesterday mainly for saying YOLO in every fucking post.

But you're right about bigred, I was just going by postcount but most of his post are fluff and cats so he's inactive on the content front.

[rong]

Gala is still here too

[OngBonga]

banana built a very strong case against jyms

I meant dranger, but banana wanted him gone too.

[jyms]

Gabe and Rilla not picked, I have to start to wonder what is with this game. The way I see it, either they are the wolves or the wolves are leveling us so bad they want us to be the ones to lynch villager gabe and rilla. I say gabe has to go, and I expect the inactives to get on board or things could get ugly. **ahem.. Bigred, pascal, JKDS, Boog.

[jyms]

Lynch Gabe

Heading home now and I will post some thoughts on others.

[Pascal]

I'm happy to lynch gabe, part revenge lynch and I think Gizmo's post sums up the case against him really well:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2114921

In short:

His voting record is really bad, too:
- He argued against a spidey lynch right before he was modkilled.
- He voted for shotty over crazz, and actually argued that shotty was a better lynch.
- He voted for DTB (and did his weird flip to lolz then flip back action at the very end of the day).
- I don't know who will believe me, but he's pushing another villager lynch (me). If I am lynched, you'll know that this was another bad vote on his part.

I think he's smart enough to be a level 1 villager but he's also made a few slip ups from trying to be too clever.

lynch gabe

[rong]

I really can't see me moving from Jyms

[a500lbgorilla]

I do not like two things:

The consensus that there is 1 wolf between me and gabe, since that means that gabe is 100% of a wolf.

And that so many people are falling right into this groove.

[a500lbgorilla]

I do not like two things:

The consensus that there is 1 wolf between me and gabe, since that means that gabe is 100% of a wolf.

And that so many people are falling right into this groove.

I wish I used the word 'implies' instead of means.

rescind

[BooG690]

The bolds are coming out quickly. Makes me do that suspicious look.

[BooG690]

I do not like two things:

The consensus that there is 1 wolf between me and gabe, since that means that gabe is 100% of a wolf.

And that so many people are falling right into this groove.

go on...

[a500lbgorilla]

go on...

That's basically all of it.

There was more for you, you just said "hey, I sound normal"

[BooG690]

We can either read into the Gizmo nom fwiw or take it levels beyond that. It has always worked for the village to take the wolves' actions for what they are. This implicates gabe and Bigred (bigred for the Gator nom). If gabe comes up empty, then it's more than normal to think you were playing games with the village. That's simply how it is.

[OngBonga]

Rilla, why do you think you're still alive?

[a500lbgorilla]

Rilla, why do you think you're still alive?

The wolves haven't eaten me while the village hasn't lynched me.

This is more of a know than a think, though.

[BooG690]

Better question would be, Rilla, what do you make of the Gizmo lynch? Both gabe and jyms have posted their thoughts without having to be asked. You seem to want to pretend that there's nothing to gain from it.

[OngBonga]

Yeah I'm gonna go with <jyms gabe rilla boog>.

Pretty sure jyms pulled the suspicious dog out last game.

[rong]

Jyms has done a lot of things he did last game.

[a500lbgorilla]

Better question would be, Rilla, what do you make of the Gizmo lynch? Both gabe and jyms have posted their thoughts without having to be asked. You seem to want to pretend that there's nothing to gain from it.

I dunno. When I get a sense of the wolf team, I'll try to figure out what they're thinking, but to try to figure out what they're thinking based on the signals they're choosing to send seems a might foolish.

[Hoopy]

JKDS is probably my favorite lynch today, he gave a reason for posting less but it's not the decrease in activity that particularly worries me. Look at his posts, there's almost no actual wolf hunting in them. This is the guy who normally (whenever I've played with him anyway) attacks people for being wolfy, dissects posts + logic and can definitely soulread wolves.

lynch JKDS

[dranger7070]

Too many ppl ready to string up gabe too fast. Im sticking with my early game read.

Lynch jyms