FTOPS XXI - 2nd Dec to 16th Dec!

[Pascal]

The first FTOPS of the new FTP2 era has been announced, and to be honest it's a bit of a disappointment (to me at least). Anyway, here it is:

FTOPS XXI – Online Poker Series Schedule – Full Tilt Poker

Only one 22 day event, $2.1k $500k, and a $640 1.5m multi-entry main.

Disappointment to me because of so many multi-entries, probably should have expected it but will be giving most of it a miss rather than selling action for some $200s like I was thinking. Might sell some action for a satellite package instead.

Thoughts from other people?

[Sykedupp]

based on how my personal game is progressing, ill be dissapointed w/o a FT in something Cant wait, dont mind MET because it increases prizepools, the great regs having multiple entries will be mostly nulled out by the meh regs having multiple entries, making fields not too much tougher IMO.

[donkbee]

I hate MET with a passion, not playing any of them.

[Pascal]

based on how my personal game is progressing, ill be dissapointed w/o a FT in something Cant wait, dont mind MET because it increases prizepools, the great regs having multiple entries will be mostly nulled out by the meh regs having multiple entries, making fields not too much tougher IMO.

This is really bad logic, a field with 2 x mediocre regs, 2 x great regs and the same number of fish is way worse than 1 of each

[Tom1559]

I agree disappointing. I do not like multi entry tournaments in general but especially when the buys in are so high. I would have liked to play one or two of $200 buy ins but not sure I will now. See how things are nearer the time.

[Sykedupp]

...a field with 2 x mediocre regs, 2 x great regs and the same number of fish is way worse than 1 of each

I disagree that it'll have the same number of fish, I think both fish and bad regs alike will multi-entry, and an increased prize pool from it being MET format will attract a few more fish. I agree that the METs are tougher, but I think in most situations (most PS-owned-FTP METs so far have maxed at 2 entries) the difference is pretty negligable.

I mean, how crappy would it be if FTOPS Event 1 was a $216 50k? that wouldnt attract many people whatsoever

[Pascal]

I agree disappointing. I do not like multi entry tournaments in general but especially when the buys in are so high. I would have liked to play one or two of $200 buy ins but not sure I will now. See how things are nearer the time.

FTOPS always have a high buyin range. MiniFTOPS has tournaments for lower buyins.

I disagree that it'll have the same number of fish, I think both fish and bad regs alike will multi-entry, and an increased prize pool from it being MET format will attract a few more fish. I agree that the METs are tougher, but I think in most situations (most PS-owned-FTP METs so far have maxed at 2 entries) the difference is pretty negligable.

I mean, how crappy would it be if FTOPS Event 1 was a $216 50k? that wouldnt attract many people whatsoever

I still think they're bad for the poker economy as well as people's edges. Obviously merging costs a couple of % in edge, especially in smaller field stuff. I don't think fish will re-enter as often as you think; the main is a $640. To counter-act the increase in regs you need twice as many fish, and I don't think multi-entry lets them double the guarantee. On the plus side, some regs will be skipping them because they're multientry

[Sykedupp]

Yeah, I mean they are def tougher, but I think people overestimate how much tougher they'll be.

[dthorne04]

good reading material re: METs from someone who knows their shit: SEABEAST Two Plus Two Poker Forums - View Single Post - Official Full Tilt Poker Thread

my own opinion: anyone who thinks METs are good is probably some combination of delusional, ignorant and blissfully unaware of just how bad these things are for themselves and the MTT economy

i can't fathom how anyone with a semblance of a clue could want these to exist, even the very best regs. how one couldn't recognize just how bad these things are is beyond me

but yeah gl to those who play, enjoy the final 27 of most of these MET FTOPS being heaps of regs, let me know where you're getting your edge from

[Sykedupp]

do people really think they are THAT bad? damn... I figured ROIs would be about ~cut in half in METs which would be partially negated by extra volume. So a guy with a 40% ROI in MTTs now becomes -ROI in any MET?

[dthorne04]

even if the 40% ROI guy doesn't go -, his variance goes through the fucking roof.

i mean it basically works out to far less fish, far more breakeven regs, far more so so regs, far more good regs, so on and so forth.

[Sykedupp]

i guess i dont mind breakeven/soso regs in my tourneys as much as i should. And its ftops, so i kind of expect variance to already be through the roof, but point taken that it'd be even more.

[Pascal]

do people really think they are THAT bad? damn... I figured ROIs would be about ~cut in half in METs which would be partially negated by extra volume. So a guy with a 40% ROI in MTTs now becomes -ROI in any MET?

You think something that cuts your ROI in half isn't "THAT bad"? And you think if you decrease your ROI by 50% your variance won't increase massively? Really?

[Sykedupp]

You think something that cuts your ROI in half isn't "THAT bad"? And you think if you decrease your ROI by 50% your variance won't increase massively? Really?

I'd prefer if we didnt have METs. But that doesnt mean there's zero value in said METs, unless meh regs run out of money.

[donkbee]

meh regs never run out of money because most of them are backed

[Tom1559]

I was aware of the buy in structure and the cheaper miniFTOPS. It was the multi entry thing that was putting me off rather than the buy in. The miniFTOPS are hard to resist given the cheap entry but the numbers as always will be huge so cashing will be a real challange. But if you are not in it you cant win it.

[Poker Orifice]

I'll be waiting til' the Mini METS in January. Finally get to use up some $75 tokens from 2008

[dombo]

Why isn't there a MiniFtops for the normal guys?

[Pascal]

Try reading the thread again

[dombo]

Try reading the thread again

I did read this thread and also checked the Full tilt lobby and saw the first MiniFTops event in Januari.

Or was it always this way that the Ftops and MiniFtops didn't run at the same time?

[Pascal]

Always the same, FTOPS and MiniFTOPS never overlap.

[dombo]

Always the same, FTOPS and MiniFTOPS never overlap.

Thanks ,Its of course ages ago and I was only playing the mini's anyways lol.

[drmcboy]

Always the same, FTOPS and MiniFTOPS never overlap.

in the olden days they ran at the same time. They did not advertise the minis much back then. I do not even know if all FTOPS had them, but some did for sure. they may not even have called them miniFTOPS. But they had tourneys that were the same game at ~ 10% of the BI off that day's FTOPs.