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    bet ~$1.00 on flop... check turn

    As played, fold turn.

    Hero has 2nd pair, shite kicker and is not interested in playing for stacks. When Villain want's to go there, it's an easy fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    bet ~$1.00 on flop... check turn

    As played, fold turn.

    Hero has 2nd pair, shite kicker and is not interested in playing for stacks. When Villain want's to go there, it's an easy fold.
    Right, so in this scenario we do not care about what villain thinks our range is and we dont care what villain could possibly doing his with, we let the hand go because it makes no sense and villain's range is polarized into either a complete bluff or a weirdly played set on the flop or 44.

    Is this correct?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xptboy View Post
    Right, so in this scenario we do not care about what villain thinks our range is and we dont care what villain could possibly doing his with[...]

    Is this correct?!
    The opposite of this, every time.

    How badly did you play this hand? It doesn't seem like you put Villain on a range on any street. If so, then pretty bad.

    Put Villain on a range. Consider how that range changes with every choice Villain makes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    The opposite of this, every time.

    How badly did you play this hand? It doesn't seem like you put Villain on a range on any street. If so, then pretty bad.

    Put Villain on a range. Consider how that range changes with every choice Villain makes.
    I put him on a range on every street which is why i was so tempted to call... I mean I could be completely off here, but here is what I thought:

    Well preflop he may call with 22+, and most suited overcards.

    On the flop, what could he check/call with?
    a draw, a set (I think he would c/r or donk a set here though with this board), and small pocket pair or perhaps an A high card that he's calling simply to call a general cbet because he knows I cbet a lot, A9 possibly?

    On the turn, he check raises us. This narrows his range down even further to pretty much 55, 33, 99, 44, or a bluff with a missed draw or some completely random hand.

    On the river, he instashoved. The T is as good as blank.
    He definitely doesn't have an overpair, he def doesn't have A9 as those hands would just check it down and he would've been more agressive with them on the flop.


    Now on the flipside what does it look like we have?
    Preflop I could have a bunch of hands
    On the flop I could just be cbetting with a bunch of hands including a pair or a draw or a lot of things still really
    On the turn it looks like I got a decent hand at least, actually TP meh kicker is exactly what it looks like. Me calling his check raise shows weakness.
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    a couple of things:

    1. just like that other hand you posted, you've gone all stoemp avec saucisse when you've flopped top pair. top pair is not a big-pot hand. Like Supa and 3M said, make your cBet, make it big, and if it doesn't take the pot, let it go.

    2. you seem to be basing his ranges on PPs to the exclusion of the more-likely drawing hands. Preflop he'd prolly 3Bet with premium PPs, and set mining w/ mid-to-small PPs is a dubious call for him here as your CO range is so wide.
    Last edited by DoubleJ; 11-12-2012 at 11:10 AM.
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