WW 2013 Edition: The Conglomerate

[jyms]

Vote Count 2.04[FONT=&quot]
Hoopy(3): bigred, GatorJH, Jackvance
Bigred(1): Boog690
Boog(1): Jyms
Dropthebanana(2): Rong, Pascal
Jyms(7): Bikes, Wufwugy, Aubrey, Dropthebanana, Keith, Nightgizmo, Gabe [SIZE=2]
Pascal(4): Daven, Hoopy, Xtr1000, Ongbonga

[SIZE=1]Not voting: No one.

I think looking at this the two known wolves were split. I think they were just waiting around to get on the right wagon as it takes off.

[jyms]

Not sure why pascal never got on my wagon though to help get me lynched, it cost him.

[daven]

I think looking at this the two known wolves were split. I think they were just waiting around to get on the right wagon as it takes off.

what are your thoughts on who the most likely wolves are?

[daven]

Not sure why pascal never got on my wagon though to help get me lynched, it cost him.

lol true. Unless both of the other wolves were already on your wagon?

[daven]

Not sure why pascal never got on my wagon though to help get me lynched, it cost him.

or unless he was scared to close out the wagon on his fellow wolf

[daven]

i'm still trying to figure out what to make of Dropthebanana's allegations that Boog690 is a wolf and Wufwugy is a villager. Would he correctly describe the roles of two players? or only one?

at the moment i'm going with:

The Conglomerate

Living Members of the board
Boog690 - ?
Hoopy - likely villager
Bikes - ?
Jyms - likely wolf
Wufwugy - likely confusing villager
Ongbonga - likely villager
Jackvance - likely vig
Daven - villager
Gator - ?
Aubrey - likely villager
NightGizmo - ?
Keith - likely confused villager
Bigred - ?

Lynch Jyms
I could look into lynching any of the players i have question marks on, but for now Jyms is looking most likely.

[OngBonga]

i'm still trying to figure out what to make of Dropthebanana's allegations that Boog690 is a wolf and Wufwugy is a villager. Would he correctly describe the roles of two players? or only one?

I think this is a waste of thinking. Any combination is possible.

[jyms]

Post 526 Resulted in the following vote count

Vote Count 2.05
Dropthebanana(6): Rong, Pascal, wufwugy, Hoopy, GatorJH
Jyms(3):Aubrey, Keith, Nightgizmo
Pascal(10, LYNCH!): Daven, Xtr1000, Gabe, Ongbonga, bikes, Jyms, Dropthebanana, Jackvance, Bigred, Boog

Not voting: Nobody

Hmmmmmmmmm

[jyms]

DTB was kind of pressured to vote, and He was pretty much outted as fake seer, There are a few that didn't respond to what was being talked about after the DTB outing.

[wufwugy]

I'm never lynching Aubrey as I'm very confident she's a villager.

To those who think I'm such a good shot for a wolf, flesh out what team I'm on and go back over actions that determine so or contradict. You'll find that every case for me being a wolf contradicts itself.

All logics from other players for me being a wolf point to both me and Jyms being so, yet all my actions point towards me and Jyms not being able to be on a team together due to wagon construction and fallout

Also if JV's really the vig, there's a good chance the wolves will still seer hunt since they expect him to shoot me

[wufwugy]

I'm not sure why Wufwugy wanted to move off Pascal just as he was about to get lynched though, even though it was too late.

I didn't. Confusions like this are part of why people are game with lynching me. If you go over it, I never actually tried to get people off Pascal. What I did was try to keep discussion going as much as possible to make sure we were in the right position both in the lynching and for the next day. Besides, the line of logic that I wanted people to abandon Pascal for, um, DTB is now shown to be wrong due to them both being wolves

[wufwugy]

and wuf has been giving villager hints for Hoopy all game

No I haven't. Where are you getting this stuff

It's important to be accurate

[jyms]

I'm of the opinion that on that pascal lynch only DTB was a wolf and a known wolf at that. The lynch took place too quickly for them to discuss it and get on to pascal. So I think all the wolves were sitting on other bolds.

[OngBonga]

Also if JV's really the vig, there's a good chance the wolves will still seer hunt since they expect him to shoot me

Damn good point, well volunteered for today's tactical vote.

lynch wuf

[jyms]

can someone tell me why Keith and Gizmo are not the last two wolves still sitting on the wagon that tried to lynch me the night DTB fake outted.?

[wufwugy]

Wuf -- you keep contradicting yourself and making weird, flawed arguments. The way I read this, you're basically saying, "Nobody lynch me, because if JV is vig he'll kill me. But it would be dumb of the vig to shoot me." If you're so convinced that JV is a wolf, why shouldn't a vig JV kill you after you forced him to out?

Those statements aren't mutually exclusive. If JV is the vig, he is most probable to shoot me, but if he reanalyzed how I've played and what's happened, he would see that shooting me is a bad move.

The reason for this is that the logics against me are really all just contradictions. All the arguments for me being a wolf are predicated on Jyms being a wolf as well but also not being a wolf too.

If I'm a wolf, I have failed this game, and that is itself one of the main reasons I'm hardly a wolf. The seer is likely to look me up if he hasn't already, and the supposed vig wants to shoot me, and this is all predicated on my over the top actions in rallying votes and getting 50% of the currently dead wolves killed

If I'm a wolf, Jyms would be dead instead of Pascal. It is kinda that simple. If Jyms is also a wolf, then why the fuck did I not try to lynch a villager on Day 2, and why did I construct Jyms vs JV on Day 3.

For me to be a wolf, I'm basically killing off my entire team while getting seer'd or vig'd in the process, then we lose. Not only would I not do that, but my team wouldn't go for it either.

Furthermore, if I'm a wolf, why would I rally to kill DTB so hard after the JV vs Jyms thing collapses by JV outing as vig? All that means is that he's going to shoot me, so I should have instead just accepted the fate or tried to get a villager lynched. Keep in mind that if I wanted Jyms dead, he would be. I've succeeded in easier kills than that in the past. There would have been no need for me to kill off DTB when it was clear the wolves were not wanting him to die, but they also weren't going to put a lot of effort into saving him because he was still eventually doomed

[Keith]

@wuf : rubbish , if people got off pascal where would they go, you were hoping that they'd head back to jyms and keep your wolf buddies alive. really ...regarding hoopy do you want me to go through the thread and copy all of the instances.

Funny how hoopy (early on both DTB's and JV's wagons) is now bolding a low post count player in Gizmo....seer hunting?

@jyms : Because i had you and boog as possible wolves because of the timing of boogs sudden switch to defending you over fulksy just as you first appeared. I had argued all day for the vig to shoot pascal.

@ong : i think wuf is a bad lynch today. They have to find the seer, let them make the decision whether to try and find the seer or eat the vig. If they opt to seer hunt , either JV or wuf dies tonight anyway.

[wufwugy]

Damn good point, well volunteered for today's tactical vote.

lynch wuf

You're a much better lynch than me

I've killed more wolves than you, have driven more wagons, and have become a much more likely seer and vig target. In what universe am I also a wolf here? Answer: none. Caveat: unless I'm a fucking retard

[jyms]

I don't think either of you guys are wolves nor targets for lynches. Let the vig and wolves sort you guys out. I think we have better targets.

[wufwugy]

@wuf : rubbish , if people got off pascal where would they go, you were hoping that they'd head back to jyms and keep your wolf buddies alive.

Are you kidding me? Magically me attacking DTB with very short period of time left is me actually trying to get people to move from Pascal to Jyms? Give me a fucking break.

I'm done with this with you Keith. You do this every single game. You find a target and NEVER change perspective until either you or him are dead.

[jyms]

Wuf, is keith villager in your eyes? What about Ong? Boog?

[wufwugy]

Regardless, I'm going to try to take a back seat today. I doubt it will work because I love posting, but I'll try. Other opinions need to be brought up, that's something I've definitely learned. If JV is a wolf, then I'm happy and I like the Boog lynch. If JV's the vig, I'm dead tonight, so I don't really care anymore

[Keith]

well that's bollocks for a start ....is jyms dead ? , is boog dead? boogs content has cleared him , your actions make you look wolfy as hell .

(surpised that got past the word censor ) lol

[wufwugy]

Wuf, is keith villager in your eyes? What about Ong? Boog?

Boog? You saw my opening post right?

Ong could easily be a wolf because he hasn't done anything that logistically contradicts that possibility while he has gained a ton of experience in this game by playing on another forum. So his play could be very different and refined from what we're used to

Keith is probably a villager due to the Pascal/Skype thing. Also if Keith was a wolf I don't think he would have such a hard on for me just because I'm very vocal. He would be doing something like targeting who he thinks the specials are

[jyms]

boogs content has cleared him ,

I don't see how this is to be. He hasn't even voted once on a lych early enough and the only wolf he fvoted a lynch was the last vote on Pascal.

[wufwugy]

Another thing for wuf to explain is why he left his lynch vote on JV for roughly 12 hours after he had explained that the JV situation would sort itself out with wolves/vig actions.

Because at that point it didn't matter. This isn't something I need to explain because it isn't particularly relevant

[jyms]

I agree, lynch Boog

[wufwugy]

I don't see how this is to be. He hasn't even voted once on a lych early enough and the only wolf he fvoted a lynch was the last vote on Pascal.

He's saying that because Boog thinks I'm a wolf, and Keith is so dead set on his idea of me being accurate that it's basically gospel now

[NightGizmo]

maffs not your strong suit either i supposes =(

You're really defensive, and you're managing to respond nearly instantly -- so you're clearly monitoring the thread but purposely not saying much. Suspicious....

[Keith]

interesting post just came across #228 . village had just learnt that angel was dead , no heat on DTB or pascal at the time .Did the wolves get cocky and wuf revealed the team

yeah my wolf list right now is hoopy dtb pascal and probably boog

lynch hoopy

[jyms]

interesting post just came across #228 . village had just learnt that angel was dead , no heat on DTB or pascal at the time .Did the wolves get cocky and wuf revealed the team

So who's the other one on that team Keith? Hoopy or your buddy Boog

[wufwugy]

This is the Wuf quote that JV and I are talking about. Somehow having a real seer that nobody believes is worth less than having a Wufwugy. Also, funny that here he says I come back villager so often...now I'm at the top of his suspect list.

Literally, almost nothing has changed since then.

I said that and it's still accurate. Over the night phase, however, I realized that DTB and the wolves would know that the village doesn't believe him. This then makes it a good idea for DTB to try to lynch a fellow wolf. My step by step process of why I think you're a wolf is based on the foundation that that DTB is confident that his target will not be lynched, which is unusual. Normally and outed seer, whether ultimately fake or real, can get a lynch through very easily if he claims he looked up a wolf

[wufwugy]

You want to take CREDIT for forcing me to out my special role? One of your biggest fuck-ups.

I meant that in the context of it being a fake out. I got a little excited when you weren't nom'd because in normal games you would be due to the vig always shooting first

[NightGizmo]

After skimming his posts, I think Hoopy is a villager. Early on day 2, he was pushing for a DTB vs. JV wagon, his votes were mainly on pascal and DTB during that day, and pushed for a DTB lynch at the end of Day 3. I just can't see a wolf consistently voting against his fellow wolves.

[Keith]

So who's the other one on that team Keith? Hoopy or your buddy Boog

in the next post wuf said that boog shouldn't be on that list so looks like its hoopy.

[jyms]

in the next post wuf said that boog shouldn't be on that list so looks like its hoopy.

Then why not follow your theme and lynch Hoopy first and then you would have a much greater argument for Wuf.

[jyms]

I'll follow your lead for Hoopy and bold him over boog if that's how you feel, and there aren't many that will go along with your Wuf theory.

[NightGizmo]

OK, here's a summary of Gator's activity in the first 3 days.

Day 1 -- he lynches daven, jyms, and rong, and fulksy. He also felt that bigred was suspicious.

Day 2 -- Says that wuf tops his wolf list, but then lynches hoopy. He no longer likes a jyms lynch, lynched DTB, but then didn't go off the wagon after it derailed (but he continued to post in the thread).

Day 3 -- "we definitely should NOT lynch DTB today" (post 579). He suspects bikes, audrey, bigred, wuf, jyms. Keith is the only person so far that he mentions as a probable villager. Lynches jyms, then aubrey, then volunteers himself, but then 13 minutes later lynches bigred. When confronted with a DTB vs. wuf wagon, he lynches wuf, then bails out to bigred to end the day.


I don't like how scattered his accusations are. He's accused or lynched almost everyone in the villager (except boog and keith).

I also think that keeping his vote on DTB on day 2 is suspicious, because he was still around in the thread but didn't want to switch over to Pascal, another wolf.

He's getting a fair amount of villager cred because he volunteered as a lynch target, but only 13 minutes after making that offer he goes after bigred. That doesn't strike me as very sincere.

For now: lynch gator

[BooG690]

You're a much better lynch than me

I've killed more wolves than you, have driven more wagons, and have become a much more likely seer and vig target. In what universe am I also a wolf here? Answer: none. Caveat: unless I'm a fucking retard

I laughed at this quote. You're much more likely a seer target because you're wolfy as shit. We have no seer information right now so that point is moot. And wasn't it Ong that really drove us to Pascal? And I can't believe you still think getting DTB lynch is anything special. I almost wish we had the information of his third lookup to be honest.

[wufwugy]

I also think that keeping his vote on DTB on day 2 is suspicious, because he was still around in the thread but didn't want to switch over to Pascal, another wolf.

I think you're thinking of me. IIRC, Gator did switch to Pascal.

I didn't move because I was going to be on thread till end of game day and there was no need to since everybody else was. Notice how Pascal hit ten rather easily

[wufwugy]

I And I can't believe you still think getting DTB lynch is anything special. I almost wish we had the information of his third lookup to be honest.

6 to 4. I had to go crazy to get it done

For all youse guys all saying you didn't think he was legit, not that many wanted to put their money where their mouth is and actually lynch him. Weird how hard it was to get DTB lynched even after he survived the night phase. We kinda let ourselves play into the stupid hypothetical narrative where wolves would let the seer live despite the fact that it never actually happens

Part of me was hoping he would show up as seer just so people would get off my back with their nonsensical logics like "wuf hopped off jyms onto dtb to protect pascal"

[OngBonga]

You're a much better lynch than me

I've killed more wolves than you, have driven more wagons, and have become a much more likely seer and vig target. In what universe am I also a wolf here? Answer: none. Caveat: unless I'm a fucking retard

Haha did you really just say this? I might be a better lynch than you, and if that's the case, watch how I don't give a shit. But, how have you lynched more wolves than me? I count 2 dead wolves, I count 2 wolves among my scalps this game. Have you lynched more than 2 wolves wuf? Have you? Huh?

Ong could easily be a wolf because he hasn't done anything that logistically contradicts that possibility while he has gained a ton of experience in this game by playing on another forum. So his play could be very different and refined from what we're used to

I'm a villager for the same reasons you're claiming to be... I was integral in flushing out pascal and banana. If you think I could be a wolf, then how is it that somehow you're never a wolf?

Nob.

We can discuss the merits of me being a wolf after jack's role is known. Until then, shut up.

And get this wuf... if village swing for me today because I'm a good tactical vote, I stand aside and accept my fate because go village etc.

[BooG690]

6 to 4. I had to go crazy to get it done

For all youse guys all saying you didn't think he was legit, not that many wanted to put their money where their mouth is and actually lynch him. Weird how hard it was to get DTB lynched even after he survived the night phase. We kinda let ourselves play into the stupid hypothetical narrative where wolves would let the seer live despite the fact that it never actually happens

Part of me was hoping he would show up as seer just so people would get off my back with their nonsensical logics like "wuf hopped off jyms onto dtb to protect pascal"

You had to go crazy to get it done because lynching a basically known wolf with a SMALL chance of being a seer isn't always the correct move. What did we gain from it? We gained one less potential wolf to bandwagon which is a small gain because he seemed hellbent on leaving me bolded anyway.

ATTENTION WUFWUGY: LYNCHING YOUR TEAMMATE DOES NOT CLEAR YOU.

[OngBonga]

Oh wait, I didn't actually vote for banana because I was getting drunk with my friends. So yeah wuf is doing better than me by virtue of IRL.

I'd been saying since d2 banana is a wolf. I'm claiming banana as a scalp, I don't care if I wasn't on his final wagon.

[BooG690]

Guys, clear the way for Ong and Wuf's dick-swinging contest.

[OngBonga]

[insert appropriate gif here]

[wufwugy]

ATTENTION WUFWUGY: LYNCHING YOUR TEAMMATE DOES NOT CLEAR YOU.

I never said it does. The important parts are HOW the relevant wagons formed and such. You guys are trying to have it both ways. You're saying things like I protected one wolf by trying to lynch another wolf instead of lynching the easy villager kill. Unless of course the easy villager kill was also a wolf, which means I am beyond incompetent

I have not once claimed that lynching a wolf clears me; I have only claimed that my behaviors on the wagons clears me, and you when you go back and check them, you'll find they do.

Logistically, I'm not a wolf here. Do what Daven has been doing. He has pointed out a few data points on my behavior that shows logistically some things that are really odd for me to do as a wolf. I mean, you guys do realize that Jyms was about to die, and would have easily done so if I had kept on him, right? How is it then that my popping off onto DTB while Pascal was the only other lynch possible make me a wolf? On the contrary, the logistics makes me a shining villager because it was because of my behavior that both Pascal and DTB were under major heat instead of Jyms. Keith likes to say I wanted the heat to go back onto Jyms, but clearly I never even tried to make that happen, and if I did, why in the hell was I integral in killing the Jyms wagon in the first place?

It just gets so ridiculous in order for me to be a wolf along with DTB and Pascal that you have to ignore many important things in order to believe it

[wufwugy]

We can discuss the merits of me being a wolf after jack's role is known. Until then, shut up.

I made the point for reasons similar to your rationale here. You are never the correct lynch today for several reasons, JV's role being one of them. Likewise, I am never the correct lynch today for several reasons, but that didn't stop you from bolding me. Not to mention that you have already said today a few times that I'm a bad lynch

But don't worry, I won't get hard on you for that. I understand that the game involves a lot of shit flinging and evolving of opinions

[OngBonga]

It just gets so ridiculous in order for me to be a wolf along with DTB and Pascal that you have to ignore many important things in order to believe it

But I can still be a wolf with those two because I've been playing elsewhere so my game is all polished and stuff? Are you wearing my onging hat?

[OngBonga]

but that didn't stop you from bolding me.

You made a valid point. If jack is vig, and you town, wolves can afford to seer hunt tonight. Thus, if we take you out today, wolves might feel forced to take out the known special, thus protecting the seer. If you happen to be seer, and we force you to out, then woops, give us info and we try a different route. You not happy to die a martyr for the greater good?

[wufwugy]

But I can still be a wolf with those two because I've been playing elsewhere so my game is all polished and stuff? Are you wearing my onging hat?

If you have been integral in their dying, then no, you're very unlikely wolf

Half of my reading/posting has been while drinking, so I don't necessarily remember everything. When I feel like examining your thoroughly, I'll go back over that stuff and see if you truly were integral in some form

[OngBonga]

Here you go wuf, start from here...

Still don't like your vague finger pointing at banana. Why would you think he's a disinterested villager? Why are you not immediately suspicious of him for his sloppy boog vote?

Here you go wuf, start here. It starts with finger wagging at jack, and me pointing out that banana does not lurk like a bitch and make lazy sloppy votes when he's a villager.

[OngBonga]

Here you go wuf, start from here...

Didn't realise I typed this out twice. Let me emphasise it for no good reason.

[jackvance]

Guys, clear the way for Ong and Wuf's dick-swinging contest.

Atleast they stopped their 2 person circle-jerk. (or 3 if you add aubrey)

Aside from wuf, I'm now looking at 3 people. First (bikes, BR), you'll never be able to gather much from how they play, so it's never bad to go for one of them if we can't find anything concrete. Then there is gator, his wolf game is normally more active, but now the ongwugy tandem have been taking up so much room that it's easier for him to slide by, should he be a wolf. And an honorary mention to Gizmo, he seems to be genuinly trying, but which he can do too as a wolf. He seems legit though, but I'd never rule him out completely.

For now:
lynch gator

[Keith]

Logistically, I'm not a wolf here. Do what Daven has been doing. He has pointed out a few data points on my behavior that shows logistically some things that are really odd for me to do as a wolf. I mean, you guys do realize that Jyms was about to die, and would have easily done so if I had kept on him, right? How is it then that my popping off onto DTB while Pascal was the only other lynch possible make me a wolf? On the contrary, the logistics makes me a shining villager because it was because of my behavior that both Pascal and DTB were under major heat instead of Jyms. Keith likes to say I wanted the heat to go back onto Jyms, but clearly I never even tried to make that happen, and if I did, why in the hell was I integral in killing the Jyms wagon in the first place?

It just gets so ridiculous in order for me to be a wolf along with DTB and Pascal that you have to ignore many important things in order to believe it

what a load of rubbish . Here is what you did and said when you switched off Jyms
posts 472 and 473.

rescind jyms lynch dtb

fwiw, i actually believe jyms when he says he wouldn't skate by as a wolf. while i also think he would tone it down as a wolf, that's a little different. im still okay with lynching him, but im kinda okay with lynching everybody who has been close so far

You aren't trying to protect Pascal , or trying to accuse DTB of being a wolf. You are simply getting off jyms wagon but saying that you are happy for him still to be lynched. You just didn't want to show up on his wagon when it got analysed on later days.You weren't expecting everyone to follow you off jyms and onto DTB which is why i keep saying that it backfired on you.

Why would you want to get off jyms? well he's playing different to his normal and saying that he wants to get to the endgame for a change.Wolves could obviously interpret that as a subtle hint that he was a special.why is the timing of your switch suspicious.?

post 468 jkds has just posted the lastest vote count and jyms is on 7 votes with 10 needed to lynch andJyms turns turns up and posts

I'm not a wolf. I started a new job today. It's a long story that I ain't going to go into here. If anyone a wants to hear it I will post it but suffice to say I am about to get active again. Yes I am posting different than in past games but no god damn way would I do that to float by as a wolf. I'd be mixing it up for sure. I'm just hoping others can hold down the fort for a while until I get sorted out. I haven't even got an excel sheet together to start narrowing down my thoughts.

deadline was approaching in a couple of hours and jyms is out in the lead by several votes yet theres no special claims from him for people to swap , no hints that its a bad thing for the village if he is killed so wolves could deduce that he is unlikely to be a special.Since jyms is therefore a likely villager , you go for some villager credit by hopping off his wagon and expect that it will continue to a Jyms lynch. You didn't expect Jv etc to also follow you and the shit hit the fan for the wolves and you and DTB then conveniently disappear no doubt while you try and thrash out what line to take..

[BooG690]

Goddamn that was a good post.

[wufwugy]

You aren't trying to protect Pascal , or trying to accuse DTB of being a wolf. You are simply getting off jyms wagon but saying that you are happy for him still to be lynched. You just didn't want to show up on his wagon when it got analysed on later days.You weren't expecting everyone to follow you off jyms and onto DTB which is why i keep saying that it backfired on you.

Why would you want to get off jyms? well he's playing different to his normal and saying that he wants to get to the endgame for a change.Wolves could obviously interpret that as a subtle hint that he was a special.why is the timing of your switch suspicious.?

Are you even paying attention to your own thoughts? Now you're telling me that I didn't want to lynch Jyms because he's a villager and that would make me look bad. Um, no, he was a terribly easy lynch and everybody was down for it.

deadline was approaching in a couple of hours and jyms is out in the lead by several votes yet theres no special claims from him for people to swap , no hints that its a bad thing for the village if he is killed so wolves could deduce that he is unlikely to be a special.Since jyms is therefore a likely villager , you go for some villager credit by hopping off his wagon and expect that it will continue to a Jyms lynch. You didn't expect Jv etc to also follow you and the shit hit the fan for the wolves and you and DTB then conveniently disappear no doubt while you try and thrash out what line to take..

Villager cred? What world are you living in that thinks there is any villager cred whatsoever from not lynching Jyms there?

Why do you claim "villager cred" for something so fucking stupid as that, yet refuse to acknowledge actual villager cred from the actual non-wolf things I've done? It's confirmation bias, and you (and Boog) refuse to see anything that does not confirm your suspicions

I look forward to dying merely out of spite. It could not be more obvious that I'm a villager, and you'll finally pay attention to why after it's proven



This shit is just pissing me off. Everybody else can see that me putting myself front and center means that if I'm a wolf, I'm seer'd. That's the bottom fucking line. Get off your idiocy. It's not a coincidence that the ONLY time I was a wolf, I got seer'd on night 1 and my team lost partly because of it. It is asinine to think that I'm going to behave the way I have in this game as a wolf

[wufwugy]

We've done this several times in the past. I act wacky as a villager every single time, and the main thing it ever does is just get me lynched or looked up

I've said it many times in the past: the next time I'm a wolf, I will post very little and coast to victory. We all have such short term and myopic memories that most of who we point fingers at are just those who are doing the most. It's not coincidence that I wasn't even bolded until somebody didn't like my high activity levels

[OngBonga]

I've said it many times in the past: the next time I'm a wolf, I will post very little and coast to victory.

The more you post, the more I think you're a wolf. As if you're going to post little and coast to victory. When is that ever going to happen? You're talking out of your arse here wuf. If someone does actually post little content and gets a win, you're the first to deny them any credit. When you get wolf, you want to own the shit out of everyone, you don't want the hollow victory that lying low gives you.

You lie wuf, and I see no reason for you to lie as villager.

[wufwugy]

The more you post, the more I think you're a wolf. As if you're going to post little and coast to victory. When is that ever going to happen? You're talking out of your arse here wuf. If someone does actually post little content and gets a win, you're the first to deny them any credit. When you get wolf, you want to own the shit out of everyone, you don't want the hollow victory that lying low gives you.

You lie wuf, and I see no reason for you to lie as villager.

Go over the history here. The last time this happened, I said the same thing, so I'm not lying. And every single time I get under any heat is because I post a lot and do some wacky things. Each and every time, those who wanted to lynch me still don't actually do the process of fleshing out the specifics instead of just clinging to the superficial. And every time any wolves win in this game on this forum, they post very little.

ITT people didn't care about me until I tried to take the village lead. This is not the first time it's happened, and you're kidding yourself if you forget so much of the history here that you think I'd be apt to do it as a wolf

[OngBonga]

But why would you say "waa waa you just laid low as wolf and won, you suck" and then suggest this is the line you'll take next time as wolf? This doesn't make any sense.

Yeah it's real tough to maintain high levels of activity when wolf, that's what done me last game. I'm not gonna change my game. Next time I get wolf, I try again to play my villager game, and I either succeed or fail. Being quiet would be stupid, because that's a guarantee I get lynched. Same goes for you wuf. If you were as quiet as, say, jyms, then you'd be dead by now, and you know it.

[wufwugy]

Being quiet would be stupid, because that's a guarantee I get lynched. Same goes for you wuf. If you were as quiet as, say, jyms, then you'd be dead by now, and you know it.

Actually, I wouldn't, and neither would you. A few people would be skeptical due to activity level changes, but that would be mild compared to the lack of heat we would get due to people paying attention to others more. There is a strong pattern in these games where those who post the most, get the most attention regardless of history

Also, I didn't mean go completely absent. To me, posting five times a day is very little (yet it's still more than gizmo, bikes, hoopy, and gator, right?). ITT, you and I are posting about 4x the median and over 2x the next in line

[aubreymcfate]

aubrey is too held back for a noob. There doesn't seem to be the enthusiasm there should be in a first game of WW. Daven started out all gung ho but a small wagon on him slowed him down, but look at the posting differences. Look how much I posted the last two games back even after a long absence. This is not the posting style of a beginner trying to wolf hunt.

this is the last time I'm going to respond to this criticism because quite honestly, as much as i relish in self-deprecation a la woody allen, even i will start feeling pathetic if i need to continuously emphasize my self-consciousness, which is the reason for my lack of posting.

like i said in an earlier post, i literally didn't even know how this game worked until this current game started unfolding. add to that - i am self-conscious, anal about not saying useless crap, and would rather have substantial posts rather than streaming fluff. i still post some fluff, i know, but i try very hard to put some meaning into what i'm saying regardless. not to mention, if i'm just posting nonsense and dk what i'm saying, i know for sure someone will pick it apart and find reasons that i'm a wolf, trying to make sense of the shit i did that i didn't even know i was doing.

and on a more general level: not that it's an inherently flawed approach to use yourself as a context when assessing how someone plays, but the possibility that someone might actually play differently as a noob villager than someone else is not exactly minute.

i feel like i'm writing in a livejournal, this is such a gay post.

going to get stoned, return, giggle at the dick-waving (as well as the thought of me in a circle jerk with wufwugy and ong... which admittedly i was...) and give you guys a brief rundown of what i think of everyone, as per request.

[NightGizmo]

I think you're thinking of me. IIRC, Gator did switch to Pascal.

I didn't move because I was going to be on thread till end of game day and there was no need to since everybody else was. Notice how Pascal hit ten rather easily

Crap, I didn't pay attention on my readthrough that his posts after DTB fake outed was after the last vote lynched pascal. So he may or may not have been watching the thread when DTB outed and everything changed (but his vote was still on DTB when the day ended). That hurts one point of my earlier post. Of course, he may have seen DTB fake out and not want to be the first person to jump ship, and then not like the alternative of picking Pascal -- but that's more speculation than actually a solid theory.

[JKDS]

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Vote Count 4.02

Boog(2): Wuf, Jyms
Jyms(2): bikes, Daven
Hoopy(1): Keith
Nightgizmo(1); Hoopy
Wuf(1): Ong
Gator(2): Nightgizmo, Jackvance

Not voting: Gator, Aubrey, Bigred, boog

Deadline is comming! Just later. With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

I got to lay on a bed of nails today.

[GatorJH]

Please explain.

It seemed weird to me that he was so relieved to find out DTB was really a wolf. Although I didn't think lynching him yesterday was our best move I had no doubt that he would end up shown to be a wolf. It's almost as if he is trying a tad bit too hard to look like a villager.

That is what I found weird.

[GatorJH]

can someone tell me why Keith and Gizmo are not the last two wolves still sitting on the wagon that tried to lynch me the night DTB fake outted.?

I could definitely lynch gizmo today but still feel like Keith is a villager.

[jyms]

Is it just me or is that vote count fucked up

[GatorJH]

He's getting a fair amount of villager cred because he volunteered as a lynch target, but only 13 minutes after making that offer he goes after bigred. That doesn't strike me as very sincere.

I voted for bigred because someone (I think it was Keith posted that we shouldn't lynch villagers, but should focus on finding a wolf.

[GatorJH]

I wouldn't be surprised to see DTB make a bold move by calling Boog a wolf even if they were on the same team. At that point they were two down and may have started to think they needed something bold to win.

I say we find out with a lynch boog

[JKDS]

Is it just me or is that vote count fucked up

Fixed

[Hoopy]

Villagers
Daven
Ongbonga
Keith
bikes
Aubrey
jyms
wuf

wuf vs keith has to be villager on villager imo.

[jackvance]

Villagers
Daven
Ongbonga
Keith
bikes
Aubrey
jyms
wuf

wuf vs keith has to be villager on villager imo.

How did you get bikes on your list? He posts so little it's hard to tell much of anything.

[Keith]

end of day votes were:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Vote Count 1.07
Pascal (4): TLR, Daven, Ongbonga
Daven(3): Jackvance, Bigred
Fulksey (11, Lynch!): Boog690, Gabe, Pascal, Nightgizmo, Xtr1000, Aubrey, GatorJH, Wufwugy, DropTheBanana, Bikes, Jyms
JackVance (1): Hoopy
Boog (1): Keith

Not Voting.: Fulksy and Rong.




Players closing out the lynch were 11th vote - Jyms, 10th vote - Bikes, 9th vote - Dropthebanana, 8th vote - Wufwugy, 7th vote -GatorJH

of these we have one known wolf and 4 maybes.

correction for you there Daven ......2 known wolves were on fulksy DTB and Pascal with gabe and XTR dead.

Boog690, Nightgizmo,Aubrey, GatorJH, Wufwugy, Bikes, Jyms remain alive



Theres a high chance that both wolves were on yesterdays DTB wagon in order to get it moving . this was wufwugy, bikes, hoopy, Aubrey, jyms, rong

[/QUOTE]

people on fulksy and DTBs wagons are wuf,bikes,aubery , jyms.


the people on jyms wagon just before wuf jumped ship and the other two wagons were known wolves were
Bikes, Wufwugy, Aubrey, Dropthebanana, Keith, Nightgizmo, Gabe

so people on DTB,jyms and fulksys wagons were

wufwugy,bikes,aubery

rescind hoopy
i now think we should lynch wuf and JV shoot one of bikes and aubery

[Keith]

last post should have looked like this

end of day votes were:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Vote Count 1.07
Pascal (4): TLR, Daven, Ongbonga
Daven(3): Jackvance, Bigred
Fulksey (11, Lynch!): Boog690, Gabe, Pascal, Nightgizmo, Xtr1000, Aubrey, GatorJH, Wufwugy, DropTheBanana, Bikes, Jyms
JackVance (1): Hoopy
Boog (1): Keith

Not Voting.: Fulksy and Rong.




Players closing out the lynch were 11th vote - Jyms, 10th vote - Bikes, 9th vote - Dropthebanana, 8th vote - Wufwugy, 7th vote -GatorJH

of these we have one known wolf and 4 maybes.

correction for you there Daven ......2 known wolves were on fulksy ,DTB and Pascal with gabe and XTR dead.


Boog690, Nightgizmo,Aubrey, GatorJH, Wufwugy, Bikes, Jyms



Theres a high chance that both wolves were on yesterdays DTB wagon in order to get it moving . this was wufwugy, bikes, hoopy, Aubrey, jyms, rong



people on fulksy and DTBs wagons are wuf,bikes,aubery , jyms.


the people on jyms wagon just before wuf jumped ship were
Bikes, Wufwugy, Aubrey, Dropthebanana, Keith, Nightgizmo, Gabe

so people on DTB,jyms and fulksys wagons were

wufwugy,bikes,aubery

rescind hoopy
i now think we should lynch wuf and JV shoot one of bikes and aubery