WW 2013 Edition: The Conglomerate

[GatorJH]

Villagers
Daven
Ongbonga
Keith
bikes
Aubrey
jyms
wuf

wuf vs keith has to be villager on villager imo.

You missed me. I'm a villager.

[GatorJH]

As frustrating as wuf is I think we need to put pressure on the remaining low content players like bigred, bikes, daven and gizmo.

[Keith]

don't we risk compromising the seer or some of his lookups then though? And the wolves may take some of them out anyway suspecting a seer.

[BooG690]

As frustrating as wuf is I think we need to put pressure on the remaining low content players like bigred, bikes, daven and gizmo.

Therefore, lynch BooG.

[Hoopy]

How did you get bikes on your list? He posts so little it's hard to tell much of anything.

Mainly because he's not lurking, if I remember rightly he never posts much but some of reasoning is pretty good this game.

[GatorJH]

Therefore, lynch BooG.

Huh? Are you trying to get lynched?

[jackvance]

As frustrating as wuf is I think we need to put pressure on the remaining low content players like bigred, bikes, daven and gizmo.

Bigred said he was gonna be very busy all week (great!). Daven has been posting quite some content and seems to be trying, and gizmo appears to be doing quite some research aswell so why do you call them low content?

[jackvance]

Mainly because he's not lurking, if I remember rightly he never posts much but some of reasoning is pretty good this game.

hm

i now think we should lynch wuf and JV shoot one of bikes and aubery

I don't think I'll get a shot. We lynch X. Two scenario's, wuf is a wolf, ofcourse he noms me now, or wuf is a villager, the wolves will nom me to keep up the discord for the next day. Or if we lynch wuf, regardless of what he is, the wolves *may* let me shoot if they think I'm so off track that I'll cap a villager for sure. If wuf is a villager then fat chance with 2 live wolves, if wuf is a wolf then maybe I live to see another day with only one wolf left. Maybe.

[GatorJH]

Bigred said he was gonna be very busy all week (great!). Daven has been posting quite some content and seems to be trying, and gizmo appears to be doing quite some research aswell so why do you call them low content?

I'm busy at work too, but at least find time to check in. As for Daven's and Gizmo as long as they continue to try an add value we can leave them be for now.

[jyms]

hm


I don't think I'll get a shot. We lynch X. Two scenario's, wuf is a wolf, ofcourse he noms me now, or wuf is a villager, the wolves will nom me to keep up the discord for the next day. Or if we lynch wuf, regardless of what he is, the wolves *may* let me shoot if they think I'm so off track that I'll cap a villager for sure. If wuf is a villager then fat chance with 2 live wolves, if wuf is a wolf then maybe I live to see another day with only one wolf left. Maybe.

This sounds more like a wolf that fake outted and wants to have the village Lynch a possible special/wolf hunter. I'm still not convinced Wuf could be a wolf like you guys are claiming. If I was wolf I wouldn't follow along with strat that could get me killed when I'm finally a wolf in a game,

[jyms]

But either way. I don't see how Wuf survives the night. Unless he's wolf or the wolves are trying to beat him heads up

[bigred]

I'm busy at work too, but at least find time to check in. As for Daven's and Gizmo as long as they continue to try an add value we can leave them be for now.

Yeah, I know. I should be checking in more. It's tough to digest information from a smart phone.

My quick input is that I'd be willing to lynch jymz the most but I'm growing suspicious of my homie, bikes.

I haven't been paying enough attention to figure out how I feel about wuf or bikes. I can probably spend some time tonight reading thread when I get home. Don't know how much value I can add.

[daven]

reposting this because i still think that it's important

Not sure why pascal never got on my wagon though to help get me lynched, it cost him.

lol true. Unless both of the other wolves were already on your wagon?

[daven]

or unless he was scared to close out the wagon on his fellow wolf

and then this is key, Pascal didn't close out the Jyms wagon because Jyms is wolf

[daven]

@ gator, i don't really understand how you think i'm low content. I'm not spewing posts like Wufwugy, but see posts 1265, 1267, 1268, 1274, 1279, 1280, 1281

[daven]

@ gator - there are players who are posting less frequently and/or less content than me, and they aren't on your list. Why is this?

[daven]

correction for you there Daven ......2 known wolves were on fulksy ,DTB and Pascal with gabe and XTR dead.

misunderstanding - i was talking specifically about the last five votes that closed the wagon, where there was one known wolf, and likely to be another as well.

[daven]

I agree with this. It is still possible that he is a wolf, but the wolves would have to really have had their wires crossed for this to be true. I hope he posts some more decent content during the day now.

i went through those wagons and couldn't see anything that makes Jyms lock-villager.

[daven]

we gain a lot if one of Wufwugy or Keith gets lynched, even though they're both pretty much lock villagers. If Keith gets lynched then Wufwugy can hunt wolves rather than defend-defend-defend. Wufwugy has posted barely anything that isn't defence in the last two days. If Wufwugy gets lynched then we gain a whole lot of information.
I'm leaving my lynch vote on Jyms though; he is still the player that i have as most likely wolf. We should be looking closely at Boog690, Bikes, Gator, Nightgizmo, and Bigred.

[bikes]

there is some srs keith heat so i must step in now

i don't see the idea of posting for the sake of posting like everyone else does for some reason. however it is now very very likely i get shot or nommed tonight. more likely shot imo. i'm the seer. sup. i have to keep low enough to provide enough suspicion that i could be a wolf so i dont get nommed and provide enough value to the village to not get snapped lynched. difficult =(

keith is a villager
bigred is a villager
fkn wolves ate my day 3 lookup rong.
i am 99% sure b00g is a villager because if he isn't that is by far the most reckless play i've ever seen in my life.

my vote is still for jyms

[bikes]

i blame fkn fullsky for this game if we lose.

[bikes]

oh my justifications for my days 1 and 2 look ups were that keith needs to be looked up and bigred makes it late game too often to not be looked up

[bikes]

if you people didn't insist on putting pressure on me/advocate shooting me this wouldnt need to happen =(

[daven]

these are interesting voting lists from Keith

people on fulksy and DTBs wagons are wuf,bikes,aubery , jyms.


the people on jyms wagon just before wuf jumped ship and the other two wagons were known wolves were
Bikes, Wufwugy, Aubrey, Dropthebanana, Keith, Nightgizmo, Gabe

so people on DTB,jyms and fulksys wagons were

wufwugy,bikes,aubery

rescind hoopy
i now think we should lynch wuf and JV shoot one of bikes and aubery

[OngBonga]

That's a real seer claim imo. Also bikes, it's kinda natural that people are gonna put pressure on you in this here game of ww since, y'know, people don't know if you're a wolf or not.

Outing now is good. Good work, two cleared villagers puts us in a strong position.

I think we should lynch wuf.

Yeah the fact banana hasn't already voted for pascal speaks volumes imo.

you mean in that it shows banana is a wolf?

And pascal...

oh yes, excellent point

Playing dumb, Wuf isn't this dumb.

[daven]

shit. I expected you to be wolf or special. Along with the rest of the players i had question marks beside.

there is some srs keith heat so i must step in now

i don't see the idea of posting for the sake of posting like everyone else does for some reason. however it is now very very likely i get shot or nommed tonight. more likely shot imo. i'm the seer. sup. i have to keep low enough to provide enough suspicion that i could be a wolf so i dont get nommed and provide enough value to the village to not get snapped lynched. difficult =(

keith is a villager
bigred is a villager
fkn wolves ate my day 3 lookup rong.
i am 99% sure b00g is a villager because if he isn't that is by far the most reckless play i've ever seen in my life.

my vote is still for jyms

What are your views on Wufwugy? i think he's pretty lock-villager, Keith (confirmed villager) thinks he's lock wolf.
Who were you planning on looking up tonight?

[OngBonga]

lynch wuf

[OngBonga]

Who were you planning on looking up tonight?

Dumb question. Bikes is dead tonight, fact.

[OngBonga]

Oh, just noticed the use of "were" instead of "are". It's me that's dumb. Excuse me.

[daven]

Keith has narrowed things down to Bikes, Wufwugy, Aubrey.
Bikes has outed as seer (seems legit to me, he isn't getting lynched today).

Aubrey seems villager to me, but Wufwugy seems even more villager.
Bikes also wants to lynch Jyms -> I'm keeping my vote on Jyms.

[bikes]

wufwugy needs to die eventually, probably sooner rather than later. if he's left alive by the time the game ends the village made a mistake

[OngBonga]

Wuf is much more likely to be wolf imo based purely on the banana claim. I'm still convinced this clears jyms. Throw in that jyms has been unusually quiet, and I think jyms lynch sucks. But, if village insist, I will support it since bikes is in favour of it.

[bikes]

at this point its more deciding what order people need to die in

[NightGizmo]

Bikes -- can you clarify why you're outing now? I didn't see much pressure on you. I don't even think anyone has voted for you yet today. And I didn't think you were much of a vig target -- either JV is a wolf and he's shot tonight or he's the vig and he hasn't made any overt comments about shooting you (if he even gets a shot off).

[jackvance]

i went through those wagons and couldn't see anything that makes Jyms lock-villager.

It's not a lock, I probably expressed myself a bit too strong there. But look at this vote count and what happens next: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2129019

Jyms is in the lead (7) with less than 4 hours to go, Pascal second (4) but close to the rest, then boog shows up putting major heat on DTB, the wagon flips over and DTB gets piled on. If Jyms is a wolf there, it would make more sense for DTB to defend but mostly just take it. He's only extending his life and gets his wolf buddy Jyms lynched instead (by the looks of things - no way the wolves expected Pascal to be lynched). It makes more sense if Jyms is a villager, so that DTB had hoped that Jyms would get killed. Ofcourse he could do it regardless, hoping that the ensuing conversation might out the real seer, or like I said, wires crossed, as in, they had made a plan to fake out if one of them was up for a lynch, and DTB went with it. But all in all it speaks in Jym's favor.


(btw post 501 is interesting too in what it says about Bikes, now that I look at it)

[GatorJH]

@ gator, i don't really understand how you think i'm low content. I'm not spewing posts like Wufwugy, but see posts 1265, 1267, 1268, 1274, 1279, 1280, 1281

As I also said you are now starting to add your thoughts on a regular basis so you are of that list for now.

[bikes]

because there have been multiple comments about shooting me tonight and if the there is a real vig then JV is dead in the water and theres no need to shoot him. if the vig dies before he gets his shot off on JV we see the lynch on JV and win.

[jackvance]

Oh wow a real seer outing now that I posted this big one.

[GatorJH]

@ gator - there are players who are posting less frequently and/or less content than me, and they aren't on your list. Why is this?

Who specifically are you referring to?

[GatorJH]

My top two votes for a lynch today are wuf and Jyms.

[bikes]

oh also ima prolly play for like 12 straight hours tonight and then sleep and a lot can happen in 20 hours

[OngBonga]

I think we should be aiming for this group...

wuf, gator, aubrey, gizmo

[OngBonga]

jack should shoot one of those if he's the vig.

[jackvance]

Well now that it looks like I am going to get one more shot off, things get more interesting for me aswell. But unto the outing, it's a great relief that we can clear bikes and BR, of Keith I was sure already.

I think we should be aiming for this group...

wuf, gator, aubrey, gizmo

And now we're seeing eye to eye, ong. (I wonder if that is a good thing)

[jackvance]

But yeah that's pretty much my hit list atm.

[jackvance]

I think many will probably want to see aubrey replaced with jyms in that list?

[OngBonga]

yawn jyms is a villager yawn again

[OngBonga]

aubrey is much more likely to be a wolf, no-one has any clue how she plays wolf, where we can see a solid reason for jyms being a villager. I sometimes wonder if I'm playing the same game as the rest of you.

[OngBonga]

fwiw if jack is not vig, I'd advise against the vig getting cute and shooting someone other than jack unless he plans to out tomorrow. If jack survives the night, we're going to assume he's vig, and I for one will start to listen to him. So jack must be shot if he's not vig imo.

[GatorJH]

I think we should be aiming for this group...

wuf, gator, aubrey, gizmo

So you guys believe that when Aubrey and I separately agreed to toftt after two wolves had been outed it was a massive wolf level?

That's some seriously flawed thinking, but whatever. I am 90% sure Aubrey is a villager and I know I am.

The good news is that if JV really is the vig then there are now 4 confirmed villagers vs 2 wolves so unless the final two wolves are well hidden the village is in good shape. If you think lynching me takes out a big level of uncertainty feel free to do so.

[OngBonga]

I agree you're less likely than wuf and gizmo. But this group I name, they're the ones I consider to be unknowns. Sure, you offering to throw yourself on the sword makes you look like a villager, but you're smart enough to know this, and assertive enough to impress this on the village. So yeah you can still be a wolf, more likely than jyms imo.

And it's better if jack is not the vig, because a confirmed wolf is better than a confirmed villager.

[OngBonga]

lynch wuf, shoot jack/gizmo, and I'd be surprised if there is even a tomorrow.

[jyms]

What a mess. I think Bikes as the seer could have put his thoughts down without saying he's the seer, and if he bit it tonight we would have known to rad his last few posts for his thoughts. I'm not sure this was a good outing but I'm still new to this game with specials.

[bikes]

just get lynched already please

[jyms]

lynch wuf, shoot jack/gizmo, and I'd be surprised if there is even a tomorrow.

This doesn't sound bad. Still not sure about the Wuf Lynch but I see a lot of Wuf defending himself now as opposed to "Wolf Hunting". Would have been a great look up for the seer since he's far more dangerous than BR

[jyms]

just get lynched already please

Lynching me won't answer any questions for tomorrow

[OngBonga]

jyms, it would be much, much worse if bikes died tonight without it clear who he scanned. This outing is fine if he really thinks he's potential nom bait, or if keith might get lynched today. The two people he's cleared helps us, especially bigred, and it gives jack another shot if he's vig. So this is far from a mess.

[Hoopy]

The lookup on bigred is nice, definitely a possible mislynch today. Nice work bikes.

Wolf pool is getting smaller.

[Keith]

should be borne in mind that although jyms didn't make my final list of 3 , thats only because he couldn't be on his own wagon. Otherwise he was on the list for the other two wagons used. If jyms is wolf that means that all 3 wagons on day 2 were wolves. If so why does wuf switch, why does dtb out.

Are we sure that bikes is the seer? Was i really taking that much heat that i was in danger?A wagon hadn't even started.If he really is the seer , why didn't he say something along the lines of lynch wuf shoot aubery and lynch bikes tomorrow. The fact he was putting himself up for a lynch tommorrow would probably have avoided getting eaten tonight and without a "seer" target tonight wolves would probably have to either eat Jack or continue to seer hunt and most likely bikes would have been safe .And he would have had an extra confirmed villager/wolf to reveal tomorrow

[OngBonga]

I can't see bikes not being the seer here, there's less reason for him to fake claim than true claim.

[NightGizmo]

I can't see bikes not being the seer here, there's less reason for him to fake claim than true claim.

Agreed, I think it's pretty likely he's telling the truth. If JV is a wolf, there is zero chance Bikes is lying. And if JV is the vig, then Bikes had a legitimate reason to out.

[wufwugy]

some of you have no goddamn clue what you're doing

the sooner you kill me, the sooner i get to laugh at you

[wufwugy]

lynch wuf, shoot jack/gizmo, and I'd be surprised if there is even a tomorrow.

fantastic example of having no goddamn clue of what you're doing. what happens when jack turns out to be a wolf shot by the vig and you realize you just fucking lynched me?

stop listening to keith's idiocy and start examining the game logistically

we have done this a million times. every single fucking time i get lynched in this game, those who do so REFUSE to explain how i did the many things that they know wolves never do

have a good game

[OngBonga]

Wuf, you seem more interested in not dying than village winning.

[wufwugy]

Wuf, you seem more interested in not dying than village winning.

being interested in the village winning is what is getting me lynched in the first place. nobody cared about me until i started hunting for wolves. and no matter what i do, no matter how bad my behavior is for a wolf, people still think lynching me is a good idea

the reason this matters so much to me is that we have done this several times in the past. each time i do my absolute best to explain the logical and logistical mistakes that those trying to lynch me are doing and im vocal about making sure they dont repeat them in later games, yet here we are again, like a fourth fucking time with the exact same irrationalities. im tired of this shit, and i will never play like this again. all it does is get people to trick themselves into thinking im a wolf

[bigred]

Yep. Just a pathetic villager with little time to contribute. Same ol same ol.

[OngBonga]

Why are you surprised that people starting caring about you? Why is it bothering you that in a game of WW, people think there's a distinct possibility that you are a wolf? I didn't care about you earlier because I cared about pascal, jack and banana. Now, two are dead wolves and one claims to be vig. So now I care about you because my prime targets are either dead or unlynchable.

I'm lynching either you or gizmo today. I've explained multiple times that I think jyms is a villager. And gator and aubrey I'll come after if we haven't won by the time you and gizmo are dead.

That's how I see our path to victory. If bikes has better ideas, I'm willing to listen to him. All you're doing is complaining you're a target. Thus, I'm starting to think we have our last wolf cornered.

[wufwugy]

BTW since bikes has outed the seer, which he most likely is, I can now explain why I constructed Jyms vs JV, as well as finally pulling off the desire to lynch Jyms.

Post 520. This is shortly after DTB outed and people were flipping to Pascal. Bigred was accused of not acting quickly enough and he responded with

Blah blah blah. I'm thinking. that's hard for me

After some consideration, I pegged Bigred as the seer, partly for this reason and partly for another I will show later. An important aspect of fake outing is to see if the real special hiccups, and I thought this was Bigred accidentally showing that he was thinking, for a change, about what to do after DTB claimed seer. Which suggests he could be the seer

Post 577. Shortly after I open the idea of calling Jyms a lock villager (which JV resonates at the same time) due to the role of Pascal and perceived role of DTB, Bigred says this

I still think Hoopy, Jyms, and JV are sketchy characters. Also, they might be wolves.

I take this as meaning that my pick for seer has looked one of them up and found a wolf, but isn't outing yet because there's still one left, it's Bigred and he knows he's not a nom target, and he can post in such an obvious way like this, that if he dies unexpectedly, we could go back and see what he was pointing at. Somewhat standard seer play.

I liked the case against JV, especially since I did not like his case against Bigred at all, so I decided to try to do my seer pick a favor and do Jyms vs JV

Of course, this blew up in my face because the village doesn't like it when other villagers wolf-hunt apparently, and in the fallout, I saw Jyms was backing me up on some over the top ways that seemed like he almost "knew better". Coupled with the fact that he always seems to show up at the most important times, I thought that perhaps I was wrong about Bigred being the seer, and it was in fact Jyms who was seer.

I even said as much during the calamity of the day when I was trying to save myself and kill DTB. I said it partly because I was angry and didn't care, partly because I wasn't entirely sure of it, and partly because if the wolves thought I was right, it wouldn't be a bad idea for the village for them to nom Jyms regardless of his role (because he's not an optimal nom target and is just a regular villager often)



So yeah, thinking Bigred was the seer who looked up one of Jyms and JV is why I did that. Now go find a wolf in the history of FTR games (or any games, for that matter) who can back up their behavior so precisely

[wufwugy]

Why are you surprised that people starting caring about you? Why is it bothering you that in a game of WW, people think there's a distinct possibility that you are a wolf? I didn't care about you earlier because I cared about pascal, jack and banana. Now, two are dead wolves and one claims to be vig. So now I care about you because my prime targets are either dead or unlynchable.

I'm lynching either you or gizmo today. I've explained multiple times that I think jyms is a villager. And gator and aubrey I'll come after if we haven't won by the time you and gizmo are dead.

That's how I see our path to victory. If bikes has better ideas, I'm willing to listen to him. All you're doing is complaining you're a target. Thus, I'm starting to think we have our last wolf cornered.

I haven't complained that I'm a target, but WHY I'm a target.

Today you have already made the case for why I'm a bad lynch, yet you somehow can't get off it. I'm still down with Boog as a wolf, and if JV is indeed the vig, my next pick for wolf is you. Merely for the reason that you went from claiming I'm a bad lynch to lynching me with no reasonable explanation. Now THAT is something wolves do. But even if I think you're a wolf, you're still a bad lynch today (a really bad one, actually).

[OngBonga]

rescind

Well that's the most villagery thing you've said in a long time.

lynch gizmo

Why are you a villager then gizmo?

[OngBonga]

I was referring to your first post wuf.

[BooG690]

My top two votes for a lynch today are wuf and Jyms.

You say this yet you still have me bolded.

[jackvance]

So you guys believe that when Aubrey and I separately agreed to toftt

Taking one for the team, in its many forms, isn't that something wolves oftentimes do? Moreso the newer ones. I believe Crazzvette did. And more, in the past, but can't remember specific names. I actually wanted to point this out to aubrey when she did it, but I left it out. Villagers do it too sometimes, ofcourse.

[BooG690]

Crazzvette didn't take one for the team. OngBonga did though.

[jackvance]

Crazzvette didn't take one for the team. OngBonga did though.

Didn't she at some point say "it's ok if you lynch me" or something like that? I thought she did.