Family calls shooting of car thief ‘senseless’

[seven-deuce]

As an aside, the "let the cops do their job" argument doesn't apply whenever you believe you're about to be shot at.


I agree with the first sentence and disagree with the second. If the thief did actually appear to be pointing a weapon in the guy's direction as he chased after the car, then there is nothing proven about his lack of responsibility, and there is currently no conclusive proof to the contrary.

He wouldn't have been in what appeared to be a kill or be killed situation if he had let the cops handle it.

Why ring the cops to report the crime in the first place if you intend on arming yourself and chasing the guy down on your own? Surely that's putting yourself, the thief, and innocent civilians in unnecessary danger, which is definitely irresponsible.

[spoonitnow]

He wouldn't have been in what appeared to be a kill or be killed situation if he had let the cops handle it.

Why ring the cops to report the crime in the first place if you intend on arming yourself and chasing the guy down on your own? Surely that's putting yourself, the thief, and innocent civilians in unnecessary danger, which is definitely irresponsible.

There is nothing irresponsible (or illegal) about this man being armed. There is nothing irresponsible (or illegal) about chasing after someone who has stolen your property. There is nothing irresponsible (or illegal) about shooting someone who you believe is about to shoot you. To disagree with either of these statements is absurd, and to imply that the owner was asking for it by chasing after the guy is on the same level as implying that women ask to get raped by going to parties.

[seven-deuce]

There is nothing irresponsible (or illegal) about chasing after someone who has stolen your property. To disagree with either of these statements is absurd, and to imply that the owner was asking for it by chasing after the guy is on the same level as implying that women ask to get raped by going to parties.

At bold, no it isn't the same as implying women asked to get raped by going to parties. Women go to parties to socialise and enjoy themselves, he wasn't chasing after the guy to have a chat and a joke.

The atmosphere is totally different in these two scenarios, at a party it is calm, relaxed and everyone's there to have a good time, while pursuing a thief who you believe to be armed is, i'd imagine, a very tense and hostile affair. You can't draw a parallel between these two choices the choice on whether to attend a party or whether to chase down an armed thief. One is obviously a lot riskier than the other.

Also the objectives are different, one is to reclaim stolen property and the other is to socialise. Apples and oranges.

Chasing a guy down who you believe to be armed, when you are armed yourself is asking for trouble, especially when he's fleeing the scene of a crime. While it may not be illegal, it is most definitely irresponsible in my opinion. I'm aware that what people believe to be responsible or irresponsible is subjective, but i'd still expect the overwhelming majority to agree with me that chasing they guy down was irresponsible.

[spoonitnow]

It's not irresponsible for a woman to go to a party because she is not responsible for getting raped. It's not irresponsible for a man to chase after someone who has stolen from him because he is not responsible for the thief pulling a weapon on him.

Chasing a guy down who you believe to be armed, when you are armed yourself is asking for trouble, especially when he's fleeing the scene of a crime.

He didn't have reason to believe the guy was armed whenever he made the decision to chase him. Some men were raised to be okay with just letting people steal from them, and they are the victims of the world. Others were raised to try to stop people from stealing from them. Not everyone was raised to be a pussy.

[seven-deuce]

It's not irresponsible for a woman to go to a party because she is not responsible for getting raped. It's not irresponsible for a man to chase after someone who has stolen from him because he is not responsible for the thief pulling a weapon on him.



He didn't have reason to believe the guy was armed whenever he made the decision to chase him. Some men were raised to be okay with just letting people steal from them, and they are the victims of the world. Others were raised to try to stop people from stealing from them. Not everyone was raised to be a pussy.

Oh so he conjured a gun out of thin air when he got in the car. It all makes sense now.

Yeah everyone's a tough guy when they're staring down the barrel of a gun, i guess some people need to compensate for their cowardice, soon as they're packin', instant tough guy. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.

[Lukie]

Oh so he conjured a gun out of thin air when he got in the car. It all makes sense now.

Yeah everyone's a tough guy when they're staring down the barrel of a gun, i guess some people need to compensate for their cowardice, soon as they're packin', instant tough guy. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.

Same type of reasoning for why people need to roll around with blades, clubs, and in gangs. Nobody ever picks a fair fight. Sad state of affairs indeed.

[spoonitnow]

Oh so he conjured a gun out of thin air when he got in the car. It all makes sense now.

To clarify for anyone reading this, there was no weapon found in the vehicle.

[daviddem]

Some men were raised to be okay with just letting people steal from them, and they are the victims of the world. Others were raised to try to stop people from stealing from them. Not everyone was raised to be a pussy.

From where I stand, I'd rather be the victim of a theft than be the victim of a murder, or be a murderer myself for that matter. But I accept that it may not be the case of everyone. It is now apparent that I forgot to include PV (property value) in my LE equation.

Let's put some numbers on all this. You have a car worth $15,000. You have no theft insurance. You see a thief driving away with it. You are coincidentally holding a loaded gun. At this point you do not know if the thief is armed or not.

Your choices are:

1) you let him get away (to simplify assume you have zero chance of recovering the car)

2) you run after him with the gun (to simplify assume that you (or your widow) always recover the car and neglect the potential cost of repairs to the car). However, with this option, you estimate there are:
- a w% chance of you getting killed
- a x% chance of an innocent bystander getting killed by your bullets
- a y% chance of an innocent bystander getting killed by the thief's bullets
- a z% chance of you killing the thief even though he was not an actual threat to you (assume you always get away with it and you won't go to jail)

Q1: what are the maximum w, x, y and z for which you take option 2? If your answer for any of these is 100%, then say for what dollar value this variable starts decreasing below 100%.

Q2: from what dollar value of the car do you always pick option 1?

Basically it is the same question as Renton's button question itt:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...-192318-2.html

[seven-deuce]

Some men were raised to be okay with just letting people steal from them, and they are the victims of the world. Others were raised to try to stop people from stealing from them. Not everyone was raised to be a pussy.

Just to clarify for anybody reading this, if you value human life over material possessions you are a pussy.

If you feel the need to carry a gun around for a sense of security, you are actually a brave and courageous man, not a timid, meek coward.

Oh and if your willing to put a bullet in someones brain over the sake of a car you have integrity.

[spoonitnow]

Just to clarify for anybody reading this, if you value human life over material possessions you are a pussy.

If you feel the need to carry a gun around for a sense of security, you are actually a brave and courageous man, not a timid, meek coward.

Oh and if your willing to put a bullet in someones brain over the sake of a car you have integrity.

Try logic next time. You might get somewhere.

[seven-deuce]

Try logic next time. You might get somewhere.

Bickering online with randoms, solid logic.