[5NL] 77 flop an overpair in 4 way pot. What to do?

[Cobra_1878]

Exactly. Same question we're asking about SB, and mostly the same answer, but he's passive and Hero is not.

What is your range going to the flop?
Do a breakdown like Renton's ABCD Theorem on your range on this board.

What are Villains' FTC ratios?

Should your range have c/r's in it?
If so, given your sizing on this board, what % of that range should be bluffs?

You'd vary your bet sizing (by a huge, noticeable amount) depending on the strength of your hand rather than basing your bet sizing on the board texture and villain's ranges? Seems kind of transparent.

I prefer to vary my ranges to match bet sizing, which is more concealed. When I vary my bet sizing, it's only by a couple of BB's.

Seems like a combination of the 2 tactics would be ideal. I.e. having multiple bet-sizes on a specific board texture and appropriate ranges to fill each bet-sizing. By "appropriate", I mean non-transparent strength.


What % of the time will a donk bet take it down?
What % of the time will either IP villain bet when checked to?
What % of the time will a c/r take it down?

Feels like you are quite confident that 77 is the best hand, but will it stay the best hand? If not, will any bet size deter someone from calling to take another card? What is the EV if you open donk-jammed?

In a 4-handed pot, seeing a turn card is highly likely. So while you're "betting for protection", is your bet actually offering you protection?

Maybe I'm just a bit weak in these spots, but 77 seems like a weak showdown hand akin to having A6 in this spot (which I'd actually prefer, giving me 5 outs to improve instead of just 2.)

@ first quote - Not really sure how to approach the first part of your post? Are we assuming I flat call again, so the nut end of my range on this board would be 54, 22-33, 66?

I don't vary my betting based purely on my hand strength, but if I had the nuts/ a set on this flop, I would bet smaller than a PSB to let people catch up as it's unlikely they have hit this flop hard and I am probably way ahead.

I feel I have a better chance, and probably have to risk less money, if I lead out as opposed to c/r on this board. MP had a 91% cbet so it's fairly safe to assume he would have led out at this pot given the chance.

Yeah I did feel 77 was the best hand when I led out on the flop. I think a PSB gives me enough protection, smaller bets like 2/3 or 3/4 PSB may get a call from an AK/AQ type hand and I feel I am less prone to being bluff-raised if I lead out with a good sized bet.

It is a weak showdown hand if I miss a 7. That's why I am happy to try and take the pot down on the flop.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Not really sure how to approach the first part of your post?

Check out Renton's ABCD Theorem, if you haven't recently.

1) What is your range to flat on the BB in this pre-flop situation?

OTF, you divide your prior range into 4 categories:
A) What is your range of strong/nut hands?
B) What is your range of strong-but-not-quite-nut hands?
C) What is your range of weak showdown-value hands?
D) What is your range of trash hands?

A is your "playing for stacks" range
B is your "playing for a big pot" range
C is your "playing for a cheap showdown" range
D is your "EZ fold" range

[Cobra_1878]

Check out Renton's ABCD Theorem, if you haven't recently.

1) What is your range to flat on the BB in this pre-flop situation?

OTF, you divide your prior range into 4 categories:
A) What is your range of strong/nut hands?
B) What is your range of strong-but-not-quite-nut hands?
C) What is your range of weak showdown-value hands?
D) What is your range of trash hands?

A is your "playing for stacks" range
B is your "playing for a big pot" range
C is your "playing for a cheap showdown" range
D is your "EZ fold" range

Yeah OK, I get it now. I understood the thread, and have read it before, just wasn't sure if we were assuming I flatted in the BB again.

I will flat in the BB here with pretty much ATC, except TT+ and AK. Will sometimes 3bet with AQ/KQ.

On the flop:

Range A) 22-33, 66, 54.

Range B) 63, 62, 23

Range C) 77-99, any 6x hand with no 2 or 3, A3

Range D) Everything else. Pretty much ATC that haven't connected with the flop. Would probably call one bet, depending on bet size, with 2 broadways.

That what you're looking for?