Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[a500lbgorilla]

Ok so I missed this first time. I thought I'd read every post. Clearly not.

Soooo... daven thinks my vote spraying is dodgy, he votes for me, and is then saying that he finds wuf suspicious for also finding me suspicious for random votes...

Yeah daven is a wolf.

lynch daven

I addressed this already. In a post prior. I believe it's actually evidence that he's a villager. Something about appearing to show two faces of the same coin at first but recognizing he's giving a crisscrossed explanation of a coherent position.

[jackvance]

Oh and time for me to wagon. Not seeing eugmac like you guys do.

lynch daven

[a500lbgorilla]

rescind pascal

lynch eug

gabe far more valuable than eugmac and i dont want to lose gabe day1

Just a reminder for anyone who comes back to read through this thread in a few days when people are trying to figure bikes out based on the nothing he'll have posted by whatever point in the future you find yourself in.

I consider it a wolf-tell when you feel the need to lay out some justification for moving a vote around.

[wufwugy]

I think it's been a great day 1 so far, so much to look back to when the game progresses.

@wuf, don't you think the rilla and bikes thing would be a bit much for them to do on purpose, I mean, you can't really tie them together like that. Like I have said before, tying people together rarely works out. Sometimes, sure, but not like this imo. Also Rilla so far seems villagery to me. There's noone I've been able to strongly put in the villager camp so far, just some intuitions here and there, and I'm having a bit of a rong-like suspicion of Luco. I mean with that, how suspicious I was of Rong last game because he pooled the wool over everyone's eyes so firmly the game before. He did turn out to be a wolf again, as was Luco that game, and it showed how tricky Luco can be. But I think he also has the potential to be a strong villager so he has that going for him in my eyes.

I'm not putting Rilla on there. I think his vote for Eug could be genuine, but Bike's and Gabe's may not be

This is a Bikes and Gabe thing. The last time I remember Gabe trying to lead the village like this, he was a wolf, and the last time Bikes had any opinion about anything, it was that Gabe is a good early kill. I'm also irked by how Gabe said nothing was going on and Eug was the best we had. At that point, there was a lot going on and nothing on Eug. This isn't particularly incriminating though

[OngBonga]

Well he's not getting lynched today, so I'll back off for now and reassess daven as I read through. But it screamed inconsistent to me.

rescind daven

[wufwugy]

I addressed this already. In a post prior. I believe it's actually evidence that he's a villager. Something about appearing to show two faces of the same coin at first but recognizing he's giving a crisscrossed explanation of a coherent position.

A little indepth, don't you think? If you're threading a needle through Daven's consciousness, you're liable to hit something. Which means your margin of error is pretty high. It's odd to think your read of a nuance can be so accurate

Could be Rilla defending Daven. Now would be the time to do it.

[wufwugy]

Well he's not getting lynched today, so I'll back off for now and reassess daven as I read through. But it screamed inconsistent to me.

rescind daven

What do you mean he's not getting lynched today? Right now it's between him and Eug, and he might be leading

This is going to get messy as fuck

[MadMojoMonkey]

Ong... I see you lynch eug in post #184, but no rescind. Then a lynch and rescind for daven since then.

Are you currently voting for eug?

jackvance... similar. double vote for Keith and daven.

[OngBonga]

What do you mean he's not getting lynched today? Right now it's between him and Eug, and he might be leading

This is going to get messy as fuck

Well I didn't notice jack vote for him when I rescinded. I'm past that post of daven's now, and I'm not disliking him as much. Sure that post I quoted was dodgy, but his following posts aren't so bad. So I'll wait until I'm up to this page before deciding who to vote. Eug isn't a bad choice either.

[OngBonga]

What do you mean he's not getting lynched today? Right now it's between him and Eug, and he might be leading

This is going to get messy as fuck

Well I didn't notice jack vote for him when I rescinded. I'm past that post of daven's now, and I'm not disliking him as much. Sure that post I quoted was dodgy, but his following posts aren't so bad. So I'll wait until I'm up to this page before deciding who to vote. Eug isn't a bad choice either.

[a500lbgorilla]

A little indepth, don't you think? If you're threading a needle through Daven's consciousness, you're liable to hit something. Which means your margin of error is pretty high. It's odd to think your read of a nuance can be so accurate

Could be Rilla defending Daven. Now would be the time to do it.

Yes, I have the superhuman ability to interpret what others say, and I'd like to believe I use it well. And I have the equally superhuman ability of reminding people that of my prior interpretations when they mention them anew.

Not yet caught up to the thread's end. Some things I want to get out there.

rescind ong lynch jyms

I do not like jyms nervousness (tripping over the total number of players math) and that after I asked how can you put pressure on someone who hasn't shown up, he drops a vote on an absent player to put pressure on them.

Maybe I should have been more straight forward: You can't put pressure on an absent player. You're lynching them tactically because they're absent.

To not be aware of this, plus all of the other oddities on jyms' resume, tells me that he's not wrapping his head around the game in a manner I would expect of a villager.

Hoopy asked about wuf-on-daven violence, I'd like to point out a few things.

One: wuf's case is nothing but optics. I don't have a better way to say that it doesn't seem to be 'on' to anything.

Two: Daven explained his suspicion of ong which matched mine, and his explanation sounds contradictory on one read through but actually threads a needle rather capably.

In 102 he says "my reasoning for thinking you are dodgy isn't that you want to target ong and jyms, it's cos you think that ong spraying votes around is evidence of him being wolf when it's just evidence of ong gonna ong" and in 106 he seems to smack that right in the face by saying of ong "his spray this time feels different, i expected him to come up with ridiculous theories and he hasn't done"

At first this sounded like trying to show the same side of a coin to me, but I think it actually a very crisscrossed presentation of a coherent position. Ong is playing by standard form, but he's not doing it the right way - this is suspicious.

[OngBonga]

I didn't rescind my eug vote?

Ok, just to ensure there's no confusion...

rescind eugmac

[Hoopy]

Ong... I see you lynch eug in post #184, but no rescind. Then a lynch and rescind for daven since then.

Are you currently voting for eug?

jackvance... similar. double vote for Keith and daven.

The votes override each other, no need to rescind.

Who do you want to lynch today?

[a500lbgorilla]

My previous quote should say "trying to show both sides of the same coin" as if to say he's seemingly contradicting himself.

[wufwugy]

jv - daven
luco - eug
rilla - eug
bikes - eug
eug - gabe
gabe - eug
mojo - gabe
jkds - savy
jyms - bikes
savy - jyms
aubrey - daven
wuf - daven
daven - wuf
keith - wuf

not voting: gator, pascal, gizmo, hoopy, ong

daven: 3
eug: 4
gabe: 2
savy: 1
bikes: 1
jyms: 1
wuf: 2

A little cleaner, but we need some consolidation by now

[Hoopy]

We should consolidate at this point with only like 7hr left.

Gabe is a bad lynch this early, the votes on him are wasted and need to move.

wuf lynch, no reason that I can see for it.

daven lynch isn't based on much, he explained himself fairly well.

[GatorJH]

I really like how rilla drives thought and until something happens he is in my villager camp. I also remember the last time he and I both made it to end game (the one where I self lynched to seal the deal) he was extremely good at reading people, therefore if I am going to go with a potential soulread on day 1 it will be with Rilla.

lynch eug

[Hoopy]

lynch aubrey

Check out her posts, shorter thannormal, less wolf hunting, says she has a lock villager read on ImSavy (how?).

We should run 2 wagons against each other imo, eug vs aubrey, or eug vs jyms if people don't think aubrey is suspicious.

[Hoopy]

I really like how rilla drives thought and until something happens he is in my villager camp. I also remember the last time he and I both made it to end game (the one where I self lynched to seal the deal) he was extremely good at reading people, therefore if I am going to go with a potential soulread on day 1 it will be with Rilla.

Agree with this, plus gabe thinks he's a wolf as well which lends more credibility.

[wufwugy]

All right, I'm getting sold on Gabe. Read his posts in order

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...42#post2160042
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...22#post2160222
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...30#post2160230
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...32#post2160232
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...35#post2160235


Post 1: Says nothing to go on when some had made pretty good cases against Jyms, Daven, and possibly others. Bolds Bikes because he's crummy in past. Bikes hasn't posted yet

Post 2: First to rescind Bikes after he shows up. Feels "pretty strongly" Eug is a wolf. Defends Jyms (while Gabe, Bikes, Jyms all lead with 2. Also after Jyms had gotten the most heat).

Post 3: Rather weak argument for Eug being wolf. Says "nothing concrete" about his rationale, which contradicts his "pretty strongly" feel from earlier.

Post 4: Nothing

Post 5: Wants people to hop on Eug. Strange, given that he just admitted to his case being weak.

This doesn't strike me as Gabe having much conviction with his ideas. Couple it with the behavior relating to Bikes and how Bikes has contradicted his earlier game ideas. Triple it with how his words and bolds defend Jyms at the right time (who still doesn't look good but whose wagon died off)

We could be looking at Gabe, Bikes, Jyms team. That would be amazing.

rescind daven lynch gabe

Should point out that I disagree that Gabe is a bad lynch if he's going to play like this. Apparently he's so sold on Eug and wants everybody to join him, yet doesn't have a lick of a case for him (Eug's behavior is not particularly weird, it's similar to last game). This is either Gabe being a doof or a wolf

[OngBonga]

Ok so page 3...

ok so daven's posts explaining his position on wuf do ring better.

gabe's bikes vote is odd. That game where bikes fingered me (and I enjoyed it), I was missing and was going to get modkilled. It wasn't all that stupid. I could easily have been a wolf, me going away with the family is not indicative of alignment. Seems like a stretch to justify his vote based on that.

hoopy thinks voting for an inactive is putting pressure on him. It's not. It's taking pressure off others who are picking up votes.

jyms spewing the simple maths. lol and to think he plays poker.

I really don't like jyms justifying his lower activity by saying one day he'll roll wolf and need to post less.

hoopy's #145 appears to be buddying the three most respected players here, ie "guys you three are awesome, look at me trying to figure shit out with you".

jyms isn't going to bother defending himself. This stinks.

jyms votes bikes because he needs to post. See rilla's comment about hoopy's pressure vote on inactives.

up to page 4.

my #153 explains my position on daven.

luco's #162 made me laugh.

another dodgy post by jyms... "stop looking for mistakes" is a direct quote.

JKDS immediately unvotes him. First dodgy thing I've seen from JKDS. Why is JK not seeing the "stop looking for mistakes" comment as dodgy?

eug suggests he could lynch savy as soon as I suggest savy is a villager for asking eug a question I liked.

eug doesn't like me suggesting wolves can be spotted by interaction on day one, jyms echoes his comment and then dives into some ong-style speculation on what the wolves are doing.

Up to page 5, bored again. Need a break.

So far I'm totally understanding why jyms, daven and eug are top targets.

[a500lbgorilla]

This isn't my soulread, mind you, Gator. It's gabe's. I'm not sure where eug's head was at when he seemed twist about before bugging out.

I tried earlier to pull together a post on aubrey and don't know how to do it best. Something about p(Wolf) = ((Calibrating Off Others Factor)*(# of ? marks) + (Fence-sitter's Factor)*(# of 'necessarily')^2) / Sum Balance of the Rest of My BS Reads

[MadMojoMonkey]

^^ I was thinking along the same lines.

rescind Gabe

After reviewing all of daven's posts, I'm not seeing the motivation behind the votes for daven.

Eug seemed to jump in like an eager beaver and get quickly caught up in superficial stuff. Which seems either ambitious, or foolish. So he's either level 1, or wants us to think he's level 1, and either is bad in the long run.

If there are 2 wagons, I'd have to ride the lynch eugmac wagon.

rilla's clear "for the town" message is surely a bit suspicious... as much as jyms (seeming) grab for V-cred.
Aubrey's giving off a strong town vibe, but it seems more exploratory and less commanding, so idk, more towny?

JKDS is confusing, because I got a bad vibe from jyms early on, and if there is a link between these 2, it's a not-bad day 1 line to take.

Ong and Wuf are so random that I haven't got anything yet.

bikes, Gabe, ImSavy and Keith haven't really posted anything to get a read on, so I'd lean towards one of them.

Gator, Hoopy, JV, Luco, and Gizmo have "threaded the needle" on post content just enough to avoid attention, but not quite enough to pull any read from them.

Pascal... we'll get to him tomorrow.

[MadMojoMonkey]

That's response to Hoopy

[MadMojoMonkey]

That's Hoopy #316

Crap a lot got written while I was typing that.

[OngBonga]

That's Hoopy #316

Crap a lot got written while I was typing that.

Ok mojo is probably villager. I expect wolves, especially noob wolves, to refresh before posting.

[OngBonga]

I can't be bothered to read the rest. It's 1.30am.

lynch eugmac

Any of the three top wagons could be wolves, but eugmac is lowest value.

[bikes]

tl:dr wufwugy continues to blow smoke out of his ass which does nothing for the village on late day 1

[Hoopy]

lynch eugmac

Need sleep.

[NightGizmo]

So, it looks like the village has coalesced into Daven vs. Eugmac, so I'm reading the thread now focusing on them. I just read through Daven's posts (which is a pain without the old "posts by" search feature), here are my thoughts:

Post 98 -- he says he doesn't want to wagon any inactive yet, but then asks wuf what he thinks about a Jyms vs. Pascal wagon. Seems odd that he's talking about an inactive wagon immediately after saying he won't wagon an inactive yet.

Post 106 -- this is the post with the "his spray this time feels different" line, which has been well discussed. But also in that post, he criticizes Ong: "i want his thoughts on jyms vs pascal wagons still, he managed to conveniently overlook this while going through my posts". That was his #98 question aimed at wuf, not Ong -- so criticizing Ong for not responding is a mistake.

Post 108 -- "jyms, why didn't you include pascal and eug in your list?" He's just repeating the same question asked by MMM on the previous page, which was also re-asked by me earlier.

Daven's content is mainly focused on the short interchange between wuf+ong, plus some fluff that's either repeating or asking vague questions. Time to take a look at Eugmac.

[NightGizmo]

Eugmac has a lot of posts, but surprising little content of value.

158 - "Thoughts coming on Daven." Then in post 161 - "I promised thoughts on Daven and at the moment I can't say I have any after re-reading."

181 - "I could go with a Savy lynch, yeah. He's on my radar after a couple quick read-throughs although I don't have anything more concrete to type here at the moment."

182 - "I currently think aubrey's is town." No supporting evidence or arguments.

234 - "I should definitely put in a vote about now but I can't actually decide." That's his entire entry, pushing up his post count.

236 - "I actually agree with all of this somehow." Again, this is his entire post outside of Ong's quote. Sheep.

243 - Votes for me using very flawed arguments. If he is a wolf, it was a tactic to further splinter the village. If he isn't a wolf -- it was a very bad argument.

243 - "Also I find [gizmo's] case against wuf far too weak. I would also attack people for doing something that I know they always do because hey, this is werewolf and you say things with ulterior motives all the time to get people to say things." So it's OK to attack someone for acting the way they always do but not OK for a villager to question why you're creating false arguments? This is another failure of an argument.

246 - "Apart from going after wuf here, gizmo has contributed as good as 0 content IMO." I don't want to focus too much on his attacks against me, but those tend to jump out at me the easiest. I know my own content up until that point, and saying that I had contributed nothing strikes me as shady.

[gabe]

So this means you and Gabe are wolves? His posts are pretty weird. They're quite similar to the last he was a wolf.

the last time i did this was the last game ive played (ive been a villager like 10x in a row it seems)

i called out jkds for making posts i thought were very wolfy. i pushed it and didnt make it happen when i was right. (this was the game i fingered jkds and deleted the post immediately). the village would have won if i was more adamant about my read. im getting the exact same feeling this game. i was also called crazy by jkds at the time (just like eugmac did this time)

and wuf i never said my case was weak, i just said there wasny anything concrete. the only thing concrete is my feelings, but for the purpose of the thread, i cant really prove is concrete.

gabe's bikes vote is odd. That game where bikes fingered me (and I enjoyed it), I was missing and was going to get modkilled. It wasn't all that stupid. I could easily have been a wolf, me going away with the family is not indicative of alignment. Seems like a stretch to justify his vote based on that.

completely disagree. also i would like to see you arrested/lynched with logic like this


i was just telling a friend about how im pumped about playing werewolf again. i laid him $100 to $30 that the guy i have in my sights is a wolf. im not going to change my vote. i realize i could be wrong and that would make me very suspicious. but also you guys should consider that if im wrong, its very unlikely im a wolf trying hard to make a crazy day 1 case that would draw suspicious towards me.

because of that, i think yall would be making a big mistake thinking i could be a wolf with this particular day 1 strategy. im going to stick with eugmac

[NightGizmo]

For fun I quickly looked at Gabe's posts, too, before deciding on a vote. Obviously his post count sucks, but his argument against eugmac fits with what I found. One other thing I found while F3ing through each page looking for the string "gabe" -- an early defense of eugmac from aubrey:

gabe: "nothing concrete" is a vast understatement for post 258. i mean seriously, dude, are you tripping? i don't think you're a wolf but i think you need find a keyboard and collect your thoughts.

And before that, eugmac made an unqualified "aubrey's is town" post. Odd that they both tied themselves to the other.

Anyway -- lynch eugmac

[wufwugy]

the last time i did this was the last game ive played (ive been a villager like 10x in a row it seems)

i called out jkds for making posts i thought were very wolfy. i pushed it and didnt make it happen when i was right. (this was the game i fingered jkds and deleted the post immediately). the village would have won if i was more adamant about my read. im getting the exact same feeling this game. i was also called crazy by jkds at the time (just like eugmac did this time)

and wuf i never said my case was weak, i just said there wasny anything concrete. the only thing concrete is my feelings, but for the purpose of the thread, i cant really prove is concrete.


completely disagree. also i would like to see you arrested/lynched with logic like this


i was just telling a friend about how im pumped about playing werewolf again. i laid him $100 to $30 that the guy i have in my sights is a wolf. im not going to change my vote. i realize i could be wrong and that would make me very suspicious. but also you guys should consider that if im wrong, its very unlikely im a wolf trying hard to make a crazy day 1 case that would draw suspicious towards me.

because of that, i think yall would be making a big mistake thinking i could be a wolf with this particular day 1 strategy. im going to stick with eugmac

I don't believe you believe your case against Eug, and I believe you're telling us about this bet and how you wouldn't act like this as a wolf precisely because you're a wolf. It's a little too early to go there, but you went there.

If you believed your case against Eug, you would be able to make a better case.

[wufwugy]

Pretty sure it's one more for Eug to kill

[jyms]

Rescind bikes I have a lot to catch up on. Not goiong to drive qa spike into Eug yet.

[jyms]

For what it's worth, last time gabe was trying to lead the village he was night killed by wolves mid game when we were questioning why him and rilla were still alive.

[gabe]

If you believed your case against Eug, you would be able to make a better case.

i kinda did this in the village of souls game http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...56#post2143056

later i explained i had a good feeling and how i knew i was doing a poor job explaining the case, but i was sure it set off my senses. jkds was a wolf. i get the same feeling here.

say what you want but i think eugmac is the best lynch, and if it fails we can talk about whats next. you should agree that if i was a wolf it would be stupid to go hard for anyone on day 1. the fact is im a villager, and i just happen to have a reason to lynch someone on day 1 (which is rare, whether im fed or smuggler)

[gabe]

i should add that if we nail a fed, i should get a help from the body guard

if eugmac is innocent, i dont know who we should look up or plan to shoot. plenty of new stuff will be available on day 2

[wufwugy]

you should agree that if i was a wolf it would be stupid to go hard for anyone on day 1.

The last time you were a wolf you spazzed like a motherfucker. Never explained why. Granted you didn't do it on Day 1. IIRC it was Day 3 or something. But in a huge game and seemed to be completely uncalled for

[gabe]

i dont think ive been a wolf this decade. what youre saying is pretty irrelevant

[wufwugy]

You were. You spazzed. It was my first game. You probably spazzed because you got bored or had something better to do

[gabe]

everything I do has logic. u thinking I spazzed doesn't make it true

lets finish off eugmac and see where it goes. it is day 1 and we are already working with lots of info...

[wufwugy]

fine. day is over in 2 hours anyways. nobody else will die between now and then

rescind gabe lynch eug

[aubreymcfate]

i just got home - it's 2:05 in the morning and i need to catch an early train so i'm not catching up on all this right now. i will do that tomorrow first chance i get and post with thoughts asap on day 2. and i won't normally be so absent during this huge chunk of time - i never am, really. this was kinda last minute. by the way it was incredibly hot and i'd skip ww in a heartbeat all over again if just to watch snape shake that ass once more. so, sorry but not sorry.

[rong]

Days over.

No more game related posts.


Final vote count

Eugmac - 10 (gator, ong, wuf, bikes, MMM, hoopy, luco, gave, rilla, ng)
Wuf - 2 (daven, Keith)
Daven - 2 (aubrey, JV)
Gabe - 1 (eugmac)
Jyms - 1 (savy)
Savy - 1 (jkds)

Not voting - jyms and Padcals

[rong]

It was agreed that everyone would meet in rilla's rv for a open and honest discussion about what had happened. Things started out cordially enough but in no time accusations were flying and things were getting pretty heated, which wasn't helped by the oven like temperature in the rv.

Eugmac had a sheet of music in his back pocket which he had been working on for days. It was an emotive piece designed to reflect the solemn mood which had taken over the gang after the news of boog's suicide in the labour camp. Inspired by Beethoven's moonlight sonata, the piece was a tad too depressing and was covered in notes where eugmac had hoped to add some light and hope to an otherwise dark and moody sound.

The rv grew more and more tense as the accusations grew bolder but the group were struggling to come to a consensus.

An agitated eugmac shuffled on his feet and his work fell to the ground. Desperate to save it from being trampled he dropped to the floor to grab it but found it held tight under a large and exquisitely polished shoe.

"what's this you're so desperate for us not to see?" Said gabe.

"it's nothing really" replied eugmac, always a little uncomfortable at the thought of people seeing his work before it was finished. "just something I've been working on for a few days, it's personal, can you move your foot?"

Rilla dropped to the floor and snatched it. "it's got boog's name on it and it's coveted in some sort of code! He's a spy!"

"kill him!" Screamed gabe.

The rate of accusations and the venom which accompanied them meant everyone was relieved to no longer be in the line of fire and as such nobody looked at the evidence in detail.

Eugmac was dragged outside and literally ripped limb from limb. His bloodied torso left lying in the sand, his decapitated head sitting upright staring at the crowd with empty eyes.

Aubrey grabbed the script and let out a shriek as she read the words on the back, a poem about eugmac's feelings of loss and despair at the death of his friend and the fear of infiltration by an unknown enemy.

As the group wandered back to their hangout, confused and uneasy at the speed at which their fear had turned to cold blooded and vicious murder, one of them went back alone to say a few words and, checking nobody was watching, cut out eugmac's heart and put the still warn organ in his bag. Odd!


Eugmac, a regular gang member, is dead.



The livng

Gator
Ong
Wuf
Pascal
Aubrey
JV
Imsavy
JKDS
Jyms
Bikes
Monkey
Daven
hoopy
Keith
Luco
Gabe
The Rilla
NightGizmo





the dead

Eugmac - regular gang member



Once again the story had nothing to do with player roles.

Specials pm me. 21 hrs until day 2 kicks in.

[rong]

I'll add an accurate list of the final lynches later on today.

[rong]

The feds were feeling pretty confident. After witnessing the speed with which the gang turned on itself and the depravity which followed, they were more determined than ever to nail every single one of these outlaws. They were pretty sure they could get a decent prosecution off the back of the eugmac murder, but were wondering who to arrest first.

They made their choice and sent a SWOT team to his house. But instead of their target, they found a swarve gentleman in a fine pin stripe suit.

He didn't even jump as they kicked down the door. Didn't say a word to the legal thugs as they charged in with guns pointing at his chest. Just held his hand out with an envelope in it. The crest of Maloney, Johnston and Teale perfectly centred at the top of it.

The contents of the later made their way up the chain of command and were eventually fed back to the undercover feds.

Their target had been protected. Someone with real influence had been involved too. The contents of that letter had certainly rustled some feathers. They'd need to take a different approach to catch that drug smuggler.

The angel contemplated the use of that card. He could only call that favour in once, but was glad his suspicions had been correct and the favour wasn't wasted.






It's day 2

18 players left.10 to lynch.

The living

Gator
Ong
Wuf
Pascal
Aubrey
JV
Imsavy
JKDS
Jyms
Bikes
Monkey
Daven
hoopy
Keith
Luco
Gabe
The Rilla
NightGizmo


The dead

Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel

[rong]

Thread is open

[Luco]

Day 2 bitches!

If I'm reading that last sentence right, the angel is (was) a one shot. The opening dialogue said there was a limit to how many times angel could block, so that limit is one?

If it makes a difference, here's the Eug votes in the order that they occured: Ong (later rescinded), Gabe, Bikes,rilla, Luco, Gator, MMM, Ong (again), Hoopy, Gizmo, Wuf.

I'm guessing the stealing Eug's heart is for the revival thing, if he gets chosen there needs to be a way for the story to resurrect him.

We shoulda just lynched Pascal.

[bikes]

4am going to sleep. will read when i wake up. congrats angel on teh save obv. lynching pascal on day 1 would have been a poor choice.

[Luco]

4am going to sleep. will read when i wake up. congrats angel on teh save obv. lynching pascal on day 1 would have been a poor choice.

Having been on the wrong end of a eugvillager I know he's pretty capable, whereas gecko is still MIA. Everything is easier in hindsight though - although four among us had foresight and knew what Eug would flip.

[Keith]

The body guard (angel). This bad ass can choose to protect any one player, including himself, on a particular night. There is a limit to how many times he can do so. (The protected player is safe from wolf kill or vig bullet.)

looks to me as though its just that player that was saved last night that will be protected on future nights but not every night and angel has to decide each night if he uses up one of his limited number of protections.I'm assuming its just the one player from the wording

They'd need to take a different approach to catch that drug smuggler.

The angel contemplated the use of that card. He could only call that favour in once, but was glad his suspicions had been correct and the favour wasn't wasted.

not sure about the call the favour in once bit though, i'm taking it to mean that that means one player gets protected but it could mean that each player can only be protected once

[rong]

I can't emphasize enough that the story will not give clues as to who has what power or how the mechanics of powers work.


Also, two clarifications.

When the feds use their interception power, the receiver will still receive the look up and nobody will be made aware that the power has been used aside from the wolves, obv.

The angel can protect any player he chooses, himself being an option, and he can choose a different player or the same player on any night. That player is protected for one night only, only one player can be protected per night. There is a limit on how many times the power can be used.

[Hoopy]

Having been on the wrong end of a eugvillager I know he's pretty capable, whereas gecko is still MIA. Everything is easier in hindsight though - although four among us had foresight and knew what Eug would flip.

There was a lot of different lynches before the village settled on eug, I think there's atl east some info to be had from day 1.

We should leave Pascal alone for today, give him the max time to get back.

[Hoopy]

lynch aubrey

See post #318.

I'll read through the thread once I'm back from work.

[Luco]

Hey, when I click the number of posts in the thread from the main WW page, I get to see the post count. But then I click the number of posts, and instead of getting a list of posts made in this thread, I get a list of ALL posts made by that person over the entire site. This sucks, and makes it very difficult to isolate an individual's posts for analysis. Am I doing something wrong?

Not sure what I was smoking yesterday but yeah, ^this is happening to me too.

Right, going to read through all these pages. Given myself an hour to read through everything and post what I can.

What time does day actually end btw?

Promising a read through without following through is a wolf tell. Savy if you're villager you need to up the post count, same for quite a few people.

good night, i hope i wake up to a dead wolf.

Lol nope.

Are you kidding? Your last bold was "I agree, lynch gabe"

Gabe had exactly ONE post when I bolded him. I am allowed to change my mind you know, let the feds worry about being consistent.

@Luco/MMM/eug
We aren't lynching gabe on day 1, he's too good a wolf finder.

Yada yada I disagree that anyone should be sacred when there's a potential revive out there. I'm prolly wrong, but I disagree anyway.

Regarding Gabe's leading the village downriver like that - I think he's capable of it as a wolf, but his continued 'I'm not a wolf for doing this' following his Eug accusation is either genuine, or a smart pre-emptive wolf play. Need to hear a lot more from Gabe today.

...and I'm having a bit of a rong-like suspicion of Luco. I mean with that, how suspicious I was of Rong last game because he pooled the wool over everyone's eyes so firmly the game before. He did turn out to be a wolf again, as was Luco that game, and it showed how tricky Luco can be. But I think he also has the potential to be a strong villager so he has that going for him in my eyes.

Well I pointed the finger at you first JV so I expect a bit of scrutiny. Something I took from my first game is 'not everyone who suspects you is a wolf', but even so I've got nothing but wolf goggles for you right now and every post you make I'm thinking 'god, that's so damn wolfy' - so I guess we're kinda on the same page.

i just got home - it's 2:05 in the morning and i need to catch an early train so i'm not catching up on all this right now. i will do that tomorrow first chance i get and post with thoughts asap on day 2. and i won't normally be so absent during this huge chunk of time - i never am, really. this was kinda last minute. by the way it was incredibly hot and i'd skip ww in a heartbeat all over again if just to watch snape shake that ass once more. so, sorry but not sorry.

Aubrey has the most interesting distractions from ww.

[Keith]

I don't understand the logic of why people suddenly think its a good idea with relatively little info to run an X vs Y contest. we've had wuf mention it with jyms vs ong and hoopy with eug vs Aubrey or eug vs ?? in that # 318 post. why not let wagons develop naturally for a reason and let people defend themselves against that reason. blindly saying lets choose between X and Y seems to be a great way for wolves to try and flush out the specials in the village or make sure that the wagon isn't against a fellow wolf.

If hoopy and wuf are so in favour of head to head races ...let them go up against each other and prove the validity of their suggested method at finding wolves. I'm certainly suspicious of wuf. And the way he reacted to me lynching him was different in this game than when i've tried to lynch him when he was a villager in previous games.

lynch wuf

[gabe]

is it common for the angel to protect themselves night 1? that would be my default with so many people in the game, and the fact getting killed and the village losing the angel is pretty bad. if everyone does this then the wolves know who the angel is, so the angel should out himself (since the Feds know, we should know)?

also if I was a fed I would just ask this question to the fed thread. I'm just a plain ol villager without any special role


rong: we don't know how many saves the angel has? so one night the ability will just disappear?

[gabe]

kill aubrey
Aubrey was over the top defending eugmac ("dude seriously you tripping?") which might be because she knew eugmac as not a fed

also some people just make up excuses when they can't think of what to type as a wolf

[gabe]

we know the Feds either blocked the seer or knows what the receiver knows

[jyms]

Wow night, very interesting turn of events. We rarely see some kind of specials situation on night one. It will make for some interesting congectuer by the village. I don't think anyone should outthemselves just yet until we have an idea of what it can or can't do. I guess only the angel needs to out if he infact protected himself since only then does the village not know who he is.

[Luco]

we know the Feds either blocked the seer or knows what the receiver knows

Both wolf powers are one-shots. I can't see them being so hasty to use them.

[jyms]

There was a lot of different lynches before the village settled on eug, I think there's atl east some info to be had from day 1.

We should leave Pascal alone for today, give him the max time to get back.

I agree, but that said, we can't have a villager modkilled after we lynch someone else as far as I believe. IF he's not here by the end of the day 2 phase, we may need to switch votes to pascal if we haven't got a sure thing. Losing two villagers will erase the angels run good last night.

[rong]

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rong: we don't know how many saves the angel has? so one night the ability will just disappear?

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If you have questions, PM me. But don’t talk about PMing me and asking me questions, it can be a shitty way of gaining villager cred.


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- The body guard (angel). This bad ass can choose to protect any one player, including himself, on a particular night. There is a limit to how many times he can do so. (The protected player is safe from wolf kill or vig bullet.)


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Also, two clarifications.

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The angel can protect any player he chooses, himself being an option, and he can choose a different player or the same player on any night. That player is protected for one night only, only one player can be protected per night. There is a limit on how many times the power can be used.

[Keith]

is it common for the angel to protect themselves night 1? that would be my default with so many people in the game, and the fact getting killed and the village losing the angel is pretty bad. if everyone does this then the wolves know who the angel is, so the angel should out himself (since the Feds know, we should know)?

also if I was a fed I would just ask this question to the fed thread. I'm just a plain ol villager without any special role


rong: we don't know how many saves the angel has? so one night the ability will just disappear?

all this is useful info for the wolves to have and you think that it makes you seem a villager? I certainly wouldn't protect myself first night , since i'm highly unlikely to be eaten first night and protecting some of the likely first night targets like gabe,JV or gator would be far more logical.I can't help thinking that lynching Gabe may well be a decent plan and if he's asked this as a wolf we bag a wolf and if he asked as a villager we can always revive him. Reviver has to work tonight or tomorrow, so if we sort his role out now, if he's villager at least we have a known villager that the wolves will either have to target or flip with the angel as to whether he is protecting gabe.
Jyms post is also interesting in wanting the angel to out himself if he protectyed himself. The wolves don't know if it was angel protecting themselves or angel saving someone else. And you want to hand them that info for free?

[jyms]

Good point. Gabe mentioned the angel protecting himself first night, I didn't even think that teh wolves wouldn't know for sure if he protected himself. It very well could have been gabe, JV or gator being protected by the angel and the wolves tried to kill gabe, JV or gator. Bad stretch there. I obviously don't pay enough attention to the details.

[Luco]

The last time I saw someone calling for an outing like that it was rong, last game, as a wolf.

wtf gabe

[JKDS]

I am busy going to a ghost town right now. But there's no point in me hiding this info.

I am the Angel. My ability only has a single shot, and its gone now. So I'm just a regular villager now. I saved myself, and am convinced now that imsavy is a wolf. Why else was I targetted?

Lynch imsavy

[JKDS]

It cpuld also be because of my attack on rilla or jyms, but meh. I think its most likely savy.

[Luco]

I am busy going to a ghost town right now. But there's no point in me hiding this info.

I am the Angel. My ability only has a single shot, and its gone now. So I'm just a regular villager now. I saved myself, and am convinced now that imsavy is a wolf. Why else was I targetted?

Lynch imsavy

I guess the main reason you may want to hide it is that you have a history of fake outing as a wolf.

Also, I would imagine savy would have the least sway in the den if he's a wolf so how does jkds-angel equate to savywolf?

[JKDS]

Why was I targetted? Someone's toes were stepped on, and I think its savys.

[Luco]

Also, if you really are the angel then you just confirmed to the wolves that the angel has exactly one shot, meaning they won't waste a future block on the angel. I kinda blew this one already though.

I have been looking at Savy myself and your outing is really from nowhere, so I'll take it as read for the moment.

[jyms]

It cpuld also be because of my attack on rilla or jyms, but meh. I think its most likely savy.

To be honest, if I was a wolf, I would have taken out ONG. He tends to have the posting style that would have me fuck up. I never felt threatened by your bolding.