Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[bikes]

rescind gabe

[daven]

guess not much info would turn up if the other wolves already know that ong has been looked up
nh wuf

[daven]

also, rescind whoever

[OngBonga]

Ok so here's my reads before you all speedwagon me.

Seer - benny la rue
Vig - bigred
Angel - donkbee

Villagers - TLR, shotglass, chelle, rong, philly, dranger
Wolves - bigred, lolz, donachello

lynch wuf

[OngBonga]

I hate JKDS

[aubreymcfate]

wow, i come back thinking i'll just refresh the page once more and go to sleep and... this. very nice.

fucking euros is right, 'cause i'm too tired to scrutinize everything ong-related right now.

rescind jyms

[MadMojoMonkey]

rescind Hoopy

[wufwugy]

forgot to rescind gabe

also mad props to the seer. that's a bang up job

[JKDS]

Hahahaha owned. Soul read again bonga

Wuf can be town now I guess lol.

[OngBonga]

Hahahaha owned. Soul read again bonga

Bad wolf but great special hunter, huh?

[GatorJH]

sorry for being totally unavailable today guys, but work totally sucked and I am tired as shit right now. My early afternoon is fairly light so I should have time to catch up on the last few pages.

[JKDS]

@Wuf: I feel like in future games, you shouldnt be so quick to out here. I think you should have done an all out assault on ong, and if that failed, then outted. Its weird you didnt actually, but I buy your outing.

I feel like we should have the vig give his power to me or wuf, who then shoots ong. If ong doesnt get shot, then the person given the power is a wolf.

Lets lynch Savy, Ong defended him marginally from my attack yesturday. I think its a good kill. (I havent reread yet actually, but im sure theres some connections to be found).

[OngBonga]

Yeah it was definitely hasty wuf.

[JKDS]

Wow, there is a TON. Shit. lol.

Hey aubrey... I bought you a drink... if it tastes funny, it's probably because it's the end of the barrell. Nothing to worry about.

Ong is against wolves attacking other wolves early day 1. Ive seen this before from other MafiaScum games from him. Aubrey is probably town.

I might need rohypnol to get laid, but I don't need viagra to get it up.

lynch luco for erectile dysfunction

Luco prob town because of said theory.

I still am. I mean, some of us have standards, here. I will not support the distribution of sub-par substances.

EVERYONE knows when I'm out of spliffs, Ong. Don't pretend.

Bring a pack of smokes on your way over. And if you bring me a pack of god damn Marlboros again, I will cut you. off. I will cut you off.

OK, no. I wouldn't do that.


I'll take the under (no wolves in this game).

Lynch [a fed]
EZgame

Weird cordial communication here. Maybe im wrong about mmm.

ye

(something about the apostraphe thing)
Is this some higher level thinking to try and get me to defend myself? If not I don't understand because I'm sure that there isn't an apostrophe missing.

This seems like a real reaction. Imsavvy seems town now.

rescind ImSavy

nou
Lynch Ong

Daven town now.

I read through the opening rule posts, vig rules are a little different this time which is something to keep in mind.

Encouraging wolfy behavior? Obvious wolf!

lynch Ong

He quoted some ong post here. This is early on the ong train, seems legit. Hoopy town.

I'm thinking 'lol' is wolf code for something.

lynch OngBonga

Rilla town.

OngBonga has a lot more posts. Are you saying that Ongie's posts are not deranged and confused?

You hear that Ongie. Someone "understands" you.

The understands you comment is strange. Noticing this discrepency regarding Ong's post count is also weird. MMM seems like hes sensitive to ong as a player, which makes sense if they are wolves together.

You're hunting wolves? You have your vote on me, excuse me if I find that a little amusing. What am I doing? I'm town hunting. I got JKDS, mojo and gizmo right now.

Wolves list a wolf in their villager lists all the time. + suspicion for mmm here.

rescind wuf

lynch daven

daven looks a lot worse than wuf right now.

More town points for daven.

Thats just page 2.

[NightGizmo]

rescind mmm

JKDS is right, vig has the perfect shot tonight. But we still have to deal with the absent Pascal, which is where my vote will probably end up tomorrow. I have little expectation that he will show up, and we know he'll be modkilled by end of Day 2.

[JKDS]

i expected to see complex ong theories, they were absent = seemed a bit wolf to me
you saw three ong votes and quick chnages = seemed a bit wolf to you

reasoning is different

Daven basically confirmed town.

I can say this atm. Rilla, I'm not too worried about him because he's a good villager, but imo not a good wolf (ie easy to spot if he is). For me Gator is the same. I know everyone will disagree with me on that, but as I've said (or hinted at) in previous games, in a game before his long playing hiatus I was able to spot his wolf game, so I'm not too worried.

JKDS, he's tricky. Dunno for sure how to go about distinguishing his wolf game from his villager game. He plays a strong game either way I think, because of his experience from playing mafia games outside of FTR. This makes it hard to gauge what level he is on.

Ong, I can never understand his reasoning very much so I'll have to see more from him. Jyms, the fact that he plays the game in an exact way to be able to be a better wolf is, hm, kinda makes me want to lynch him for that reason alone because it'll be tough to read him, but not gonna jump the gun. Wuf, I think I can spot if he is a wolf by dissecting his reasoning once he starts to post more openly. Gabe can be tricky but he has some subtle tells to look for.

Just some preliminary thoughts here.

This kind of one-liner thing compared to lots to say about other players is very typical of a wolf buddy. Its hard to lie about a player you arent looking to get lynched. JV can be wolfin.

Cmon bikes and pascal, hurry up and post so we can remove inactivity from our lynch criteria. It doesn't help us when so many votes are on these two, it's a nice place for wolves to hide whilst appearing to be pro-town.

I'm still happy with daven. "His spray feels different" is just plain weak. First page is random noise. My spray is random noise. It's no different to any other random noise I make on the first page. If daven really does think my spray is different, then why did he jump off my wagon? I got to four votes pretty quickly, I could get lynched today, so to say his vote wasn't much use is odd. It's reeks of opportunism, and he regonised it when others started to drop me, so he backed off. I'm with wuf, daven is a wolf.

Daven for sure town.

Why stop looking for mistakes? Wolves make mistakes on day one. Remeber when I got lynched on day one as seer? Who was I barking at? Yeah, you and stacks. Remind me again what your roles were that game. I'm sick of seeing people telling the village to not trust their gut on day one. There's literally nothing eslse to do. There's no role info, there's no associative tells, there's nothing but the very few posts we have. So I for one will continue to try and hound the wolves into making mistakes on day one, simply because if I didn't, then I'd have nothing to say.

I was a vampire and stacks was a wolf. We weren't on the same team and both hunting the other as well. And If I remember correctly you threw out a ton of names that day 1 so saying you found wolves is pretty easy considering. Hell , haven';t you bolded like half the village today? Am I supposed to believe you found a wolf again>?

I got a villager vibe from ImSavy for #159, but it's weak.

Do you actually think my first three votes were a serious attempt at wolf hunting? Of course it's not, it's basically a reaction test. I've voted for wuf and daven seriously, and even then I'm not convinced yet. That game I refer to, by the end of the day I was convinced stacks was wolf, and pretty sure about you. Point is, I have no intention of changing my villager game to suit you, I'm happy with it just the way it is.

This exchange between jyms and ong feels genuine. JYMS is for sure town. The imsavvy thing is weird, but i think the earlier posts are more telling. He can still be town.

Yeah you have a point about two inactives, we can only lynch one. I'm expecting bikes to emerge, it would be strange for him to sign up after missing so many games, and then not bother, especially with dan being mod. IIRC bikes and dan have met up IRL and are friends. Plus, bikes is a good villager, especially at endgame, so I'm reluctant to lynch him purely due to activity.

Pascal is the better lynch of the two imo.

Addressing the inactive thing, but pushing away from bikes. Suspicious of bikes here even more so.

This is the kind of comment that experienced players make. Like those who have history with JKDS and knows when he feels right or not. I'm no longer reading mojo as villager for this single comment.

He attacks MMM here. The wolf evidence for mmm weakens.

Ok so it was in reference to my comments on mojo. But like I say, I'm not suggesting he was coached. My suspicion is that he's soft pushing JKDS to prepare to join his wagon at a later date. I just can't see how a noob would know if JKDS seems right or not. Even more strange, since I'm not seeing anything of concern in JKDS' posts. Hence the term "lacks basis". Saying someone doesn't feel right is a pretty easy soft push. Saying it when you have no history with that player is alarming.

Yeah fair enough. Like I say, I'm not lynching mojo today, and I'll take this on board when deciding on later days who to vote for. I'll need more than just this to lynch mojo, but it's certainly a comment that killed the town read I had on him.

But he keeps MMM open as an option. Its a fence sit thing, so he can still be wolfin.

Ok reading the thread instead of individual's posts in isolation.

Page one, not much. jyms and mojo throw haha votes down for rong and "a fed". Could be breaking the ice without giving any asscoiative tells. Standard throw a wolf in with a villager thing? Evidence for mojo wolf

Gator is quick to mock the standard "gator is alive = wolf" line. Not saying much. If anything, points for villager gator

jyms making excuses for his playing style, which drew a lot of heat.

onto page 2...

wuf likes ong vs jyms... dodgy comment so early on day one, seems to be jumping on the concept that 1v1 is a good village strategy, but it's not something I agree with, because it takes heat off the wolves if the two wagons are villagers. Also dodgy that wuf points to my vote spraying as though it's a wolf tell, when it's the norm for me.

jyms names three of the five inactives at that stage, notably missing two people. one of several posts addressing sketchy jyms things, no way jyms is wolfin.

rilla suggests JKDS looks bad for his jyms vote, not quite sure why.

JKDS makes a pretty villagery post with #80

JKDS pushes at rilla for pushing at me for the lol comments while ignoring JKDS, though rilla has stated an opinion on JKDS so this isn't accurate.

JKDS' #97 scores more town points. Highlighting inconsistencies.

wuf's #100 has me feeling better about him

Getting bored, will do pages 3-5 before the day is out.

[JKDS]

rescind Imsavvy, lynch bikes

Place holder summary post.

Villagers: Me, Wuf, Daven, Jyms, Rilla, Hoopy, Imsavvy, Luco (roughly in order of towniness)

Wolfy: Bikes, MMM

[gabe]

GG feds?

I just skimmed some and I'm loving our position. i think we should just trust wuf/jkds. also wuf good job baiting ong

sorry no strategy from me now but seems like we got a good plan

fwiw the evidence against me is very LOL but once this stuff plays out it will be more obvious

[JKDS]

been on a tractor all day yesterday and today(mowing/carting grass that referred to yesterday) , hence lack of posts, same again tomorrow but should then be back to normal posting volumes.

Have read through a couple of times , and sticking with my wuf vote. seems to be a weird circle of ongie/wuf/jyms linking themselves together. Why is wuf trying to start a ong v jyms wagon.

Wuf also doesn't seem to be posting /reacting like usual. his volume is way down to normal and instead of rabid self defence he's trying to laff off and ignore my bolding him. As if he's not trying to draw attention to himself.

Ong just happened to point at wuf as one of his multi lynches. around #202 jyms and ong are talking about wolf strategies and distancing themselves , #205 ong says in one game as a wolf they avoided each other and in anotyher they were lynching each other regularly. It just seems to me that the three of them are giving themselves cover if one of them goes down as a wolf . Jyms probably less involved than wuf and Ong

Weird. Idk what to make of this. Acknowledging sketchy ong, but focusing on wuf is wolfy.

Oh and time for me to wagon. Not seeing eugmac like you guys do.

lynch daven

JV goes for Ong's daven wagon here. This could be standard wolf distancing away from the villager eug wagon.

Ok so page 3...

ok so daven's posts explaining his position on wuf do ring better. backpeddling daven, so he can lynch eug.

gabe's bikes vote is odd. That game where bikes fingered me (and I enjoyed it), I was missing and was going to get modkilled. It wasn't all that stupid. I could easily have been a wolf, me going away with the family is not indicative of alignment. Seems like a stretch to justify his vote based on that. attacking gabe, defending bikes. gabe town.

hoopy thinks voting for an inactive is putting pressure on him. It's not. It's taking pressure off others who are picking up votes.

jyms spewing the simple maths. lol and to think he plays poker.

I really don't like jyms justifying his lower activity by saying one day he'll roll wolf and need to post less.

hoopy's #145 appears to be buddying the three most respected players here, ie "guys you three are awesome, look at me trying to figure shit out with you". hoopy town.

jyms isn't going to bother defending himself. This stinks.

jyms votes bikes because he needs to post. See rilla's comment about hoopy's pressure vote on inactives.

up to page 4.

my #153 explains my position on daven.

luco's #162 made me laugh.

another dodgy post by jyms... "stop looking for mistakes" is a direct quote. jyms obv obv villager.

JKDS immediately unvotes him. First dodgy thing I've seen from JKDS. Why is JK not seeing the "stop looking for mistakes" comment as dodgy?

eug suggests he could lynch savy as soon as I suggest savy is a villager for asking eug a question I liked.

eug doesn't like me suggesting wolves can be spotted by interaction on day one, jyms echoes his comment and then dives into some ong-style speculation on what the wolves are doing.

Up to page 5, bored again. Need a break.

So far I'm totally understanding why jyms, daven and eug are top targets.

Ok mojo is probably villager. I expect wolves, especially noob wolves, to refresh before posting.

mmm lost any villager cred he got for ong attacking him. wolfin again.

{some ong post, i hate that i cant quote ppl that quote]

completely disagree. also i would like to see you arrested/lynched with logic like this

Gabe towning.

2 pages left

[JKDS]

Ok, dont see anything else.

Villagers: Me, Wuf, Daven, Jyms, Rilla, Hoopy, Imsavvy, Luco, Gabe (roughly in order of towniness)

Wolfy: Bikes, MMM, JV

I think bikes is the far and away best lynch today. As a secondary consideration, hes a good revive too.

[Luco]

Eurofag checking in. Day 2 man, day fucking 2. I wish I had this many outs at the felt

I'm going to read through, but the Pascal situation bugs me. I think we can prolly piece this together enough to go for a second fed and let him get modkilled, but will see what the day brings.

right...

[jackvance]

Lol nice ownage.

[jackvance]

Wuf outing is definitely the right play, I was already thinking that a mass outing can force the game to be won quickly, conceptually speaking. After the day 1 villager lynch, 18 players, of which 4 are wolves, leaving 5/14 or over one third of the villagers specials. And killing a strong villager like Gabe to revive him is kinda dumb imo because the wolves have a roleblock. But I don't think it matters too much now because the wolf team is already collapsing.

[jackvance]

Daven is totally a villager for the reasons JKDS stated, no way he'd attack an actual fellow wolf this early in the game.

[gabe]

lets revive eugmac. we shouldn't risk losing the reviver's power. +1 village is a pretty nice guarantee and eugmac isn't a liability villager.

also I think we should have jyms or bikes shoot ong. we can lynch whoever else

[a500lbgorilla]

I disagree that wuf coming out is the best play, but it's immaterial now.

JKDS - I don't think you're appreciating just how overtly-wolfy jyms is in this game. I don't really find his stance on defenses to be that suspicious either. What I do find suspicious is that he has the second most posts in this thread (second behind ong) and across all of them you won't find one sentence that suggests he's engaged with and actively solving the game in front of us. This is the reddest of wolf flags in my eyes. Everyone consumes the thread differently regardless of role, but wolves don't have a mystery on their hands, they have a minefield. Jyms doesn't appear to be trying to solve anything beyond how not to take the wrong step.

[a500lbgorilla]

I don't think we should worry about losing the reviver power since the wolves are dealing with choosing the angel, the receiver or sifting through the field.

[gabe]

I think guaranteeing an extra villager is worth more than trying to save revive for someone special

and we shouldn't really have to test wuf or jkds as forced vigs. we should just trust them until we have a reason not to (which will be obvious if it comes up)

[gabe]

the wolves can bink the reviver as easily as anyone else

[a500lbgorilla]

But they know the angel and receiver - who is effectively part of the deadly seer combo. Why ignore those targets and instead go back into the field for the reviver?

[a500lbgorilla]

I doesn't serve any ends to discuss this. The reviver can't really make a mistake tonight, in my eyes.

[gabe]

But they know the angel and receiver - who is effectively part of the deadly seer combo. Why ignore those targets and instead go back into the field for the reviver?

the revive ability happens after the wolf kill. so the wolves kill wuf tonight (the angel is worthless right?) then could bink the reviver tomorrow before he acts

revive eugmac IMO. and I disagree with ur last post, unless u mean we don't need to discuss things because you agree

[Hoopy]

Oh snap!

rescind ImSavy

We could have the vig nominate wuf/JKDS who then shoot Ong tonight. It's can be blocked but kind of a waste for the wolves.

[jackvance]

I don't think the reviver is at risk really, but at the same time, reviving eugmac is never much of a mistake either. He was a very critical and observant player last game.

[Luco]

Wow, what a read. Unlucky for the feds that Ong got busted so quick but this is nowhere near over.

Where do I start?

Aubrey - I was a wolf last game, so I saw her thought processes a bit more clearly than others would have. I'll say this right now, if she's a wolf then she has a pretty good idea of what aubrey villager sounds like. It's honestly not that far from her last game as you think.

Wuf - outed as catcher - sorry - receiver. Like jkds, taking the outing as anything but legit for today would be fail.

Two unlikely wolf pairings I've spotted:

Hoopy / MMM
JV / Bikes

Could be two villagers in either combo there, but v v unlikely two wolves.

Gizmo - Looks like a villager on the hunt to me. Just the way he's laying out his thoughts I guess.

MMM - I get the impression that he's more comfortable talking to ong than anyone else. If he is wolf then it's by no means a bad first shot at it, but yeah not clearing himself at all.

[gabe]

Oh snap!

rescind ImSavy

We could have the vig nominate wuf/JKDS who then shoot Ong tonight. It's can be blocked but kind of a waste for the wolves.

we should put potential wolves in those roles. jkds and wuf are too likely town for them to be verified this way. if they are Feds we will know plenty early

[jackvance]

we should put potential wolves in those roles. jkds and wuf are too likely town for them to be verified this way. if they are Feds we will know plenty early

What would that prove?

[Hoopy]

we should put potential wolves in those roles. jkds and wuf are too likely town for them to be verified this way. if they are Feds we will know plenty early

But if the vig picks a wolf they get to choose who they shoot, so they'll just pick a villager.

- The pussy killer (Vig chooser). No, he’s not called that because he gets laid a lot, it’s because he likes to kill people but he’s too much of a pussy to do it himself. Instead, he blackmails people into doing it for him. He doesn’t care who gets killed, he just likes to know that someone is dying and that he has had a hand in it. (Every other night, starting night 2, this guy picks a player who is forced to kill another player. Failure to kill will result in suicide. The chosen killer will not know who has chosen him. Feds can be chosen.)

[Luco]

I disagree that wuf coming out is the best play, but it's immaterial now.

JKDS - I don't think you're appreciating just how overtly-wolfy jyms is in this game. I don't really find his stance on defenses to be that suspicious either. What I do find suspicious is that he has the second most posts in this thread (second behind ong) and across all of them you won't find one sentence that suggests he's engaged with and actively solving the game in front of us. This is the reddest of wolf flags in my eyes. Everyone consumes the thread differently regardless of role, but wolves don't have a mystery on their hands, they have a minefield. Jyms doesn't appear to be trying to solve anything beyond how not to take the wrong step.

Bleh. This is my third game with jyms and yes I've seen him drive and push but I've also seen him sit back, go on 'cruize' and let others start the wagons in both prior games. It's just not that out of character.

Plus, Ong went for him pretty hard over the course of several posts.

Plus, he was using language and terminology on day 1 that would be difficult for a wolf to post (such as 'I was avoiding heat, plain and simple' or his whole admission about posting less and stuff). It's either a series of bold admissions, or he's a villager.

I see what you're getting at but hmm, yeah naw not today.

[gabe]

oh the pussy killer doesn't choose the victim? I feel like it isn't that clear. "he likes to kill people but he’s too much of a pussy to do it himself. Instead, he blackmails people into doing it for him" that part makes it seem like he picks before "but he doesn't care"

I can see where I could've read it wrong. if so then ya obviously wuf/jkds do it

[Luco]

Yeah it looks like the vig chooser chooses the vig and the vig chooses who to shoot. Failure to choose results in suicide. That's how I'm reading it.

[gabe]

obv the wolf candidates shouldn't be blackmailed to vig if they get to choose who to shoot. my b

i agree with luco that jyms would probably try to coast early on but I like rilla's specific sentence analysis. so I think he's a good enough choice as any to take to the gallows

[Hoopy]

I'm assuming that we're all agreed on leaving Ong for today and going after one of JKDS suspects? Probably bikes.

JKDS is right, vig has the perfect shot tonight. But we still have to deal with the absent Pascal, which is where my vote will probably end up tomorrow. I have little expectation that he will show up, and we know he'll be modkilled by end of Day 2.

We should just let Pascal be modkilled, 3/15 chance he's a wolf and the reviver essentially cancels his loss as a villager.

[jyms]

obv the wolf candidates shouldn't be blackmailed to vig if they get to choose who to shoot. my b

i agree with luco that jyms would probably try to coast early on but I like rilla's specific sentence analysis. so I think he's a good enough choice as any to take to the gallows

Are you insane? We haev a confirmed fed in Ong and you want to take out a villager? We also could lose pascal to a modkill as well. You act like this is sewn up and you forget that there is still two feds, and they know our specials. You want to go for some odd lynch, try to convince the twon to go your way?

Lynch gabe after you lynch ONG

[Luco]

Gator, jyms and ong all mentioned bigred at virtually the same time - like, within seconds of each other. Could be nothing, could be a little unintentional wolf den spillover.

[jyms]

Ya on day one post one maybe? Every game bigred is a target on day one early then coasts for a week while we all play the game.

I see no reason not to lynch ONG. As long as he's alive he posts his observations against the town in the wolf den. That means we are working against 3 instead of two. He's experienced and could be the only experienced if MMM and some other player are with him. Ong needs to go tonight

[Luco]

There are 4 feds not 3, it says so in post #2.

Villager lean for this mistake imo

[jyms]

Ya then we aren't close yet

[Keith]

the more i look at the rules the more i hate wuf's outing. Wuf makes SDM look good . He turned the seer into a single lookup. Once you die and are shown to be the receiver the seer then is useless and should out themselves to confirm themselves as a villager.Wolves can't make the claim without revealing themselves so in this case its better to preempt a fake outing by a wagonned wolf.

I don't think that reviver should act today as he may get a better choice tomorrow night of people who may bring extra to the game.Whoever gets revived only has a limited lifespan as the wolves have to take out known roles. I think that we should drag today out as long as possible to give pascal a chance to get involved and avoid the modkill. Modkills must work in the wolves favour as they make it one player closer to them winning and potentially one less chance for us to find a wolf

Jyms latest posts seem highly stupid or wolfy to me. I got slaughtered games ago when i originally suggested leaving an outed wolf alive for the vig to shoot. Now its obvious for wuf or JKDS to take out wuf tonight....so WTF is he lynching Ong for. Also why is he pressing on with lynching without giving pascal a chance to get involved in the game.
I'm gonna rescind Jyms for now but i want to hang jyms.If pascal comes along , i'm going to change jyms back to a lynch otherwise i'll be lynching pascal to avoid the modkill

[Luco]

Who's SDM and what makes them so noteworthy?

/derail

[aubreymcfate]

Whoever gets revived only has a limited lifespan as the wolves have to take out known roles.

Oooooh, THAT'S what you meant before, JKDS. my god lol, I'm sorry. I can be dense. I forgot about the night noms.

ok I usually avoid stepping in when you guys are talking about role stuff because I always feel a little confused (as evidenced by me not understanding what JKDS meant - sometimes I forget stuff) but I have a question, bear with me if I'm missing something please, but wouldn't anyone who was picked by the vig tonight kill Ong? That is, wolf or villager? Why would the wolves not kill ong - then the pussy vig would know who the wolf was.

i only say that bc of posts like 486 and 488.

I want to know what wuf thinks too. JKDS's huge analysis was great, and wufwugy may have picked up on things he didn't, so it'll be even more solid info.

[jyms]

When did pointing out post #'s become the norm. I'm constantly having to scroll around instead of looking at quotes

[Luco]

When did pointing out post #'s become the norm. I'm constantly having to scroll around instead of looking at quotes

Yeah I admit it's a huge PITA when on a phone. Just like putting bolds in the middle of a sentence, this is one thing that we should try to avoid.

[aubreymcfate]

sorry, it just makes posting a bit quicker. quick tip: if you do a ctrl+f search and type in the number, you won't have to scroll around. i will quote stuff more in the future though, i know that's easier to read and i get annoyed by post numbers instead of quotes too, haha.

[aubreymcfate]

ohhhh yeah, i forgot some of you are on your phones. definitely - i can barely even play on my phone. ok let me quote the posts i was referencing for you guys, one sec.

[aubreymcfate]

we should put potential wolves in those roles. jkds and wuf are too likely town for them to be verified this way. if they are Feds we will know plenty early

..

But if the vig picks a wolf they get to choose who they shoot, so they'll just pick a villager.

[jyms]

Yeah I admit it's a huge PITA when on a phone. Just like putting bolds in the middle of a sentence, this is one thing that we should try to avoid.

I find to type in bold I jsut hit B first and type. The cursor will stay between the brackets

[OngBonga]

Ok so this charade has gone on long enough now. I'm the seer, and I fed wuf the ong look up. I looked up ong because he's annoying. I think we should lynch one of wuf or JKDS. Definitely do not lynch ongbonga. He's clear now.

Reel seer should blink three times.

[Savy]

I'd just like to clarify that the reason I haven't been posting is because my internet and phones have been off for the past two days, so there's not much I've been able to do about that unfortunately.

I've got some more important stuff to sort out first, but I don't see any reason why I shouldn't be posting more regularly now.

[Luco]

I'd just like to clarify that the reason I haven't been posting is because my internet and phones have been off for the past two days, so there's not much I've been able to do about that unfortunately.

I've got some more important stuff to sort out first, but I don't see any reason why I shouldn't be posting more regularly now.

Welcome back!

[NightGizmo]

lynch pascal

There's too high a chance he's a villager to allow us to lose multiple villagers tonight. If we accidentally lynch a villager, the wolves eat another, and pascal-villager is modkilled, we suddenly drop 3 villagers. Honestly, the only person that can sway me from this idea is JKDS, because I know he plays WW a lot outside of this forum. If he can make a good argument why we shouldn't lynch a known modkill, I will consider changing my vote.

[MadMojoMonkey]

OK, so there's a rather interesting case being made against me, but I don't know what to say. All of the little interchanges between myself and Ong do look like they add up to something. I can't blame anyone for being suspicious.

What can I say? I can say that I am Vil, but who wouldn't? I can say that I did not feel like his posts were threatening to the Village, and responded in kind. That, also, seems canned.

Even when he said he was "Village hunting" it didn't set me off, because I actually thought it sounded like a reasonable strategy. If there are 2 camps, then finding either is equally good, and smoking out Villagers (who want to be known) seems like a good way to handle the early game.

So take your reads from Ong's play with a certain amount of skepticism. He throws a lot of crap around, and I've managed to become implicated by merely talking to him / entertaining his humor.

[Luco]

I'm going out for a while, I'll try and have a browse through later though.

I said I'd take a decent stab at a wolf, but today has been way too quiet.

If the vig is taking care of ong then are we lynching pascal tonight?

[Hoopy]

There's too high a chance he's a villager to allow us to lose multiple villagers tonight. If we accidentally lynch a villager, the wolves eat another, and pascal-villager is modkilled, we suddenly drop 3 villagers. Honestly, the only person that can sway me from this idea is JKDS, because I know he plays WW a lot outside of this forum. If he can make a good argument why we shouldn't lynch a known modkill, I will consider changing my vote.

Maybe I can provide some.

1) 20% chance he's a wolf (3/15) when modkilled.

2) Lynching him gives wolves an easy play for today, "lynching to avoid the modkill". Rather than forcing them to make actual votes.

3) We'll be in the same position tomorrow, Pascal = Wolf doesn't give us anything to go off since he's never posted. Pascal = Villager means nothing as well.

[Hoopy]

I'm suspicious of gizmo for posting so much stuff related to inactives, modkills and rules. It's not every post but there's lots of them.

@gizmo
Who would you lynch instead of Pascal?

[jyms]

Maybe I can provide some.

2) Lynching him gives wolves an easy play for today, "lynching to avoid the modkill". Rather than forcing them to make actual votes.

This is something I don't undertand? Teh wolves don't have a ton of uneasy plays. They have 90% of the info right now. I think almost everything is easy. They can discuss almost evey post they make, and deciode together what's best. We have an 80% chance of hitting a villager, and a modkill and the wolves with almost perfect information can take this to a 4:12 in one night. And we've lost all of our specials

[Keith]

There's too high a chance he's a villager to allow us to lose multiple villagers tonight. If we accidentally lynch a villager, the wolves eat another, and pascal-villager is modkilled, we suddenly drop 3 villagers. Honestly, the only person that can sway me from this idea is JKDS, because I know he plays WW a lot outside of this forum. If he can make a good argument why we shouldn't lynch a known modkill, I will consider changing my vote.

rong said that the modkill would come at the start of night 2. therefore we have all of today to let pascal return. we'll kick ourselves if he's the reviver and we lynch him quickly.

I see no reason not to lynch ONG. As long as he's alive he posts his observations against the town in the wolf den. That means we are working against 3 instead of two. He's experienced and could be the only experienced if MMM and some other player are with him. Ong needs to go tonight

those two sentences contradict each other . Is jyms also discussing in the wolf den who is being eaten or strategy for tonight
whilst also posting this and inadvertently slipped with his time phrasing. He could also be counting the other wolves and excluding himself when he was giving the numbers.

[jyms]

How do they contradict each other. They both say lynch ONG

[jyms]

And thne count slip up is because we've had 3 wolves in almost every game we played except JKDS's weird ass gotham game

[jyms]

rong said that the modkill would come at the start of night 2. therefore we have all of today to let pascal return. we'll kick ourselves if he's the reviver and we lynch him quickly.

We will also kick ourselves if Savy is a wolf with MMM, pascal and ONG. We take out ONG and it would leave a few rookie wolves with two dead in one night. Can you spell panic?

[NightGizmo]

I'm suspicious of gizmo for posting so much stuff related to inactives, modkills and rules. It's not every post but there's lots of them.

@gizmo
Who would you lynch instead of Pascal?

I asked about it during Day 1 and discussed it for maybe 2 or 3 posts, and then another 1 post today. I don't see that as a lot. I also purposely held off discussing inactives for the first 24 hours today to help push the village into wolf-hunting, and I voted for my best choice at the time (MMM). I'm taking JKDS' "you must vote to help the village" advice to heart.

But it's Friday, I have plans tonight, I won't be around after about 4-5 hours from now, and I'm giving a reason for why I'm choosing to lynch pascal instead of letting him get modkilled. I also purposely limited my discussion about inactives to only talk to JKDS, so that it doesn't become something that all-consumes the village (rilla had a really good point about this yesterday -- but it's frustrating to me because I have this same discussion every game, and nobody remembers that there is pretty simple math behind my decision -- look for my posts about it in recent previous games, I don't want to restate them yet again).

As for who I would lynch -- MMM still looks like a good target. Bikes seems like a better target, but I'd want to read through his posts before I made that decision. My impression of bikes right now is that he skated by Day 1 with very little posts and content. Day 2 doesn't seem that much better. It feels like he's trying to stay out of sight enough to survive, which doesn't hep the village.

[OngBonga]

If I get vigged, my cub will starve.

[NightGizmo]

We will also kick ourselves if Savy is a wolf with MMM, pascal and ONG. We take out ONG and it would leave a few rookie wolves with two dead in one night. Can you spell panic?

Ong will be dead tonight, jyms. The pussy-hunter will give wuf or JKDS vig powers and he'll shoot Ong.

[Keith]

I'm going out for a while, I'll try and have a browse through later though.

I said I'd take a decent stab at a wolf, but today has been way too quiet.

If the vig is taking care of ong then are we lynching pascal tonight?

yet again ......another person talking about lynching pascal tonight ......its daytime .....village acts in the day.....lynchs occur in the daytime ......so why are people talking about lynching tonight?

[NightGizmo]

Actually, I'm also suspicious of Gabe. He keeps giving bad advice to the village.

1. He tells the angel to out himself, even though he doesn't know if the power is one-shot or not.
2. He tells the reviver to choose eugmac tonight, even though we could get another seer lookup result if he waits another day.
3. He wants the vig choice to go to a wolf (maybe an honest mistake, or maybe hoping that rule confusion will give his team a second night nom).