Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[Luco]

You got me man, for a couple of hours there I genuinely thought more was coming.

[NightGizmo]

It's good I fooled atleast one person into thinking I was actually going to be posting some more.

Haha, sounds like you're a wolf that's giving up?

lynch jv

One more kills him. Aubrey, interesting attempt at deflecting suspicion on me. How did I trap you by making the day longer?

[NightGizmo]

i went through the thread hard for a while and i'm going to say that if jv is wolf, then nightgizmo is very likely the third wolf, and imsavy is possibly the fourth. yes, i know i called him "lock villager" in the beginning - i really thought i had a good villager read on him. but now that the pool is smaller, i have to scrutinize more.

i'm exhausted and it would take me forever to assemble these notes into something coherent right now.

if i don't get to it in time i'll post them when the next day starts.

Super wolfy. "These are my wolf picks, I have a ton of notes but I don't have time to explain it now. Maybe I'll post it later."

[Luco]

Alright, if I may?

[aubreymcfate]

Keith, i specifically pointed out Rilla's reasoning because I feel it's important to actually use my brain and not mindlessly latch on to the known villagers. I'm so sorry I deigned to comment on what I found compelling

Check my time stamp. It was late. That's why I didn't post my full thoughts. Excuse me for needing sleep, fuck.

[jackvance]

I would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for these pesky kids!

JKDS, i've left a bullet with your name on it.

[jackvance]

rescind bikes

lynch JV

[Luco]

GG JV

In honor of the drugs theme, here's Joaquin Phoenix with my vote:



Lynch Jackvance

[Savy]

Alright, if I may?

Fuck you I'm doing it.

Lynch JV

[Luco]

DAMMIT

[Savy]

fuck sake, that must have been seconds late.

[aubreymcfate]

Haha, sounds like you're a wolf that's giving up?

lynch jv

One more kills him. Aubrey, interesting attempt at deflecting suspicion on me. How did I trap you by making the day longer?

I'm not saying it's definite that it was your intent was to trap me, but if you are the wolf I think you are, that's a possibility. My thought process was simply "ng is right, longer day is better, lets all be on the same page." I was obviously 100% ready to lynch jv, this is such a mom argument.

Why didn't YOU lynch jv?

(On my phone btw. Not work. I slept in a bit late. I wonder why, lol)

[jyms]

Locked, no posting!!

rong, pm me

edit: Threads open for Rong

[JKDS]

I would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for these pesky kids!

JKDS, i've left a bullet with your name on it.

D:

Well fuck.

[rong]

JV could feel the gang slowly turning on him. In a panic he quickly packed a bag and sneaked out the back door, hoping to to get away while the gang was arguing amongst themselves.

He jumped into his shiny red Porsche and jammed his foot down. As he raced away, he watched in fear through his rear view mirror as Rilla & Gabe, shotguns in hand, climbed into Rilla's Viper and sped after him.

The Arizona dessert wasn't the best place for escaping and JV did nothing but drive straight for over an hour, with Rilla & Gabe always in view, an ever present ghost trailing behind.

As he neared the mountains, he realised his chance at losing them was here. Finally something to break the line of sight. He raced around the bends for a few minutes and started to feel hope. He turned off the road and drove behind a large rock in the hope that they would drive straight past him and slammed on his breaks as he saw the canyon in front of him, skidding to a halt mere inches from the edge. That was close! Squeaky bum time!

He cut out the engine and listened. Less than a minute later he heard the deep rumble of the viper's V8 above the sound of his racing heart, slowly growing as it neared and then flew past, the table flipped, Rilla & Gabe now chasing a ghost that they'd never find.

JV breathed a sigh of. He turned the ignition and fired up the Porsche, already planning his next move. But above the sound of the Porsche he heard a distinctive sound.

Whop whop whop whop whop.

He looked up to see Gator and JKDS's heads rising above the ridge, staring at him out the front window of an Apache helicopter. He hat to admit it, these guys were a hell of an outfit. Realising he was done for, in one last act of defiance, he gunned the engine and dived over the edge of the canyon, flipping the bird with both hands as he dropped to a fiery death.

JV, a fed, is dead





The livng

Gator
Wuf
Aubrey
Imsavy
JKDS
Jyms
Bikes
Monkey
Keith
Luco
Gabe
The Rilla
NightGizmo
Daven (A regular villager, Revived)

the dead

Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.
Night 2: Ongbonga, a Fed, was killed by the Vig.
Night 2: Hoopy, the connected gang member, was killed by the feds.
NIght 2: Daven, was revived.
Day 3: JV, a Fed, was lynched by the village.


Night 3 will last approx 24 hrs.

[rong]

Quick note, once again, as always, the story reveals nothing about roles or the mechanics of the game, I'm just having fun with it.

[rong]

The final two Feds were going deep. With the death of another of their brethren, the gloves were off and the rule book was out the window. All communications devices were hidden in the now smoldering Porsche, so they had officially gone dark and no news of the death of JV had reached command.

They initially planned to wait until the remaining gang members were all in the same room, throw in a flashbang and burst in firing. The problem with this plan was that the stun grenades were also in the Porsche. As were the MP5s. They were left with their service pistols each and a sniper rifle with 1 bullet. They didn't fancy a building assault against an armed enemy totaling 12 with just that, so they were going to have to be clever about it.

They set up a trap to take out a difficult member of the gang. One of them arranged to meet Gabe outside that evening, in the shadows where they wouldn't be seen, under the guise of discussing his suspicions in private. His partner hid in the distance with the sniper rifle. It should have been a simple enough plan. But Gabe wasn't stupid. He left a cryptic message with a trusted friend and hoped it would be enough to ensure his back was covered.

Gabe made the meet. He walked up to one of the Feds, not certain of his guilt, but not far off it. Gabe tried to play it cool and approached with a smile but things weren't going to go as slow as he planned and his thoughts of being able to handle the situation were wide of the mark.

The Fed didn't even bother to speak. He just pulled out his pistol and aimed it square between Gabe's eyes. He stared for a long moment at a man who had directly been involved with the deaths of two of his friends. As he stared at his man, he heard a commotion a few yards away and someone ran towards him with a revolver in his hands. The Fed turned and fired 3 times at the center of his chest. He fell to the ground and didn't move.

By this point Gabe was already running in the opposite direction, he knew for sure who one of the Feds was and needed to get this information out in the open. He looked back at the body of his trusted friend lying on the floor. He felt safe though, he was beyond the accuracy of a pistol and he was seriously fit so there was no way the Fed was catching him. But he couldn't outrun a sniper bullet. It pierced his back just below his right shoulder. He went down hard and fast. He was alive but he wasn't going anywhere. Half his chest was missing from the exit wound and he felt like he'd been hit by a train.

The Fed he had come to meet strolled over to him. He kicked him hard in his wounded chest, Gabe nearly passed out with the pain but he fault it hard. The Fed pulled out his pistol and aimed at Gabe's face once again. Gabe spat at him, his last thoughts nothing but hate for the man in front of him and guilt at getting his friend killed. The Fed fired, straight through Gabe's left eye. He looked at Gabe for a few seconds more and than ran from the scene as those shots would be heard for miles around in this flat ground and he couldn't afford to be noticed. He felt good at the thought of taking out 2 of the gang in one night.

A few minutes later the bodyguard sat up. He checked his shirt for blood. Nothing was there. He ripped it off and unfastened the kevlar vest. It had held out for all 3 shots. His chest hurt, but he was alive. He walked over to Gabe's body, he wanted to run but he physically couldn't due to the chest pain. There was nothing he could do for Gabe now. He couldn't believe his bad luck at not seeing the face of the Fed. He headed back to the camp to get some ice for his chest.


Gabe, a regular gang member, is dead.


It's day 4, 13 players left. 7 to lynch.

The livng

Gator
Wuf
Aubrey
Imsavy
JKDS
Jyms
Bikes
Monkey
Keith
Luco
The Rilla
NightGizmo
Daven (A regular villager, Revived)



the dead

Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.
Night 2: Ongbonga, a Fed, was killed by the Vig.
Night 2: Hoopy, the connected gang member, was killed by the feds.
NIght 2: Daven, was revived.
Day 3: JV, a Fed, was lynched by the village.
Night 3: Gabe, a regular village, was killed by the Feds.
Night 3: wolves Vig shot thwarted by angel

[a500lbgorilla]

v nice

[a500lbgorilla]

I had this thought, for future games, the wolves should be given a full day before the start of the game to get together and prepare. I did this with a few games in the past and wanted to put it out there for future game designers.

[GatorJH]

so I guess JKDS threw a little trickery in there? Nice move dude!!!

[aubreymcfate]

cool, this helps support some of my suspicions. i'm leaving work in a bit and should have a big post ready in a couple of hours.

i know this does not look good for me at the moment, but i think i may have some really useful info for the village, especially now that things are taking shape more clearly.

[daven]

yeah, was expecting jkds to have more protects up his sleeve - it's the only way that his day 2 outing made sense. Shame that the wolves hit hoopy instead of wuf on night two...
gotta be looking pretty closely at aubrey and mmm today, among others
and, also,

"Gators still alive he must be a wolf"

[GatorJH]

yeah, was expecting jkds to have more protects up his sleeve - it's the only way that his day 2 outing made sense. Shame that the wolves hit hoopy instead of wuf on night two...
gotta be looking pretty closely at aubrey and mmm today, among others
and, also,

Do you seriously think I am a Fed after yesterday's events? Wow.

[jyms]

That was a long break, along with the saturday from hell so I am going to have to do another read through. Early game is a blur at the moment, and I actually haven't taken any notes either.

[jyms]

Do you seriously think I am a Fed after yesterday's events? Wow.

Ya, I'm guessing that you are alive because your not confirmed in the standard sense, but with so many confirmed, why take out a maybe.

[daven]

jkds - I'm listening to you more than anyone else today
nh on the angel play

The livng

so villagers
wuf
jkds
Daven

two wolves sitting in
Gator - lean wolf cos still alive
Aubrey - waiting for her opus
Imsavy - ??
Jyms - lean village cos i just can't imagine him being so wolf as a wolf
Bikes - lean village for wagon dynamics
Monkey - lean wolf
Keith - lean village
Luco - ??
The Rilla - lean village for JV hunting
NightGizmo - ??

[daven]

Do you seriously think I am a Fed after yesterday's events? Wow.

did my post sound serious?

[daven]

I'm not sure how Bikes isn't a fed like 90% of the time here.

current thoughts on bikes?

[daven]

luco is a villager

[daven]

obv cos he outed as reviver, but i obv don't want to edit my post

[wufwugy]

Shame that the wolves hit hoopy instead of wuf on night two...

Why?

[NightGizmo]

cool, this helps support some of my suspicions. i'm leaving work in a bit and should have a big post ready in a couple of hours.

i know this does not look good for me at the moment, but i think i may have some really useful info for the village, especially now that things are taking shape more clearly.

I'm curious to see your "really useful info." I'm also curious why you can't post any details for a few hours. And it doesn't seem villagery to start a day saying "I know this does not look good for me at the moment", especially when the village has gone out of its way to make the days run as long as possible. I don't know how to explain that last point -- it just doesn't feel like something a villager would do.

[GatorJH]

current thoughts on bikes?

With JV flipping Fed he goes way up on the villager scale. But I want to look at the dynamic again to see if I can see anything there.

[aubreymcfate]

I'm curious to see your "really useful info." I'm also curious why you can't post any details for a few hours. And it doesn't seem villagery to start a day saying "I know this does not look good for me at the moment", especially when the village has gone out of its way to make the days run as long as possible. I don't know how to explain that last point -- it just doesn't feel like something a villager would do.

I can't post for a few hours because I commute from Long Island to NYC (and vica versa) every day. That's about 40 min to get to Penn Station (subway + waiting for my train to come), and another 40-50 minutes to get home.

The last day ended with tons of heat on me so... I dunno what to tell you. It's what was on my mind when I wrote the post.

[NightGizmo]

I can't post for a few hours because I commute from Long Island to NYC (and vica versa) every day. That's about 40 min to get to Penn Station (subway + waiting for my train to come), and another 40-50 minutes to get home.

The last day ended with tons of heat on me so... I dunno what to tell you. It's what was on my mind when I wrote the post.

No details at all? If I were in your shoes, I'd at least give the conclusion or a brief overview. "I found strong evidence that so-and-so is a wolf, but all of my notes are at home." Instead you just sound like you need time to come up with something to deflect the heat from yourself.

[daven]

Why?

cos it's highly likely that jkds was defending you on night two

I think the last two wolves are [Gator][mmm/savy]
yesterday's wagon on bikes is really interesting

[daven]

No details at all? If I were in your shoes, I'd at least give the conclusion or a brief overview. "I found strong evidence that so-and-so is a wolf, but all of my notes are at home." Instead you just sound like you need time to come up with something to deflect the heat from yourself.

^ aubrey, list the living players and what role you think they have right now
we can wait for the detail later, we have 48hrs
but it seems you already have an idea, so share it

[NightGizmo]

Why gator? Wasn't he one of the driving factors behind JV's lynch?

[Keith]

funny how savy can hardly post ....yet just happened to be online and ready to post the moment the last JV vote was required.

[a500lbgorilla]

jkds - I'm listening to you more than anyone else today
nh on the angel play

The livng

so villagers
wuf
jkds
Daven

two wolves sitting in
Gator - lean wolf cos still alive
Aubrey - waiting for her opus
Imsavy - ??
Jyms - lean village cos i just can't imagine him being so wolf as a wolf
Bikes - lean village for wagon dynamics
Monkey - lean wolf
Keith - lean village
Luco - ??
The Rilla - lean village for JV hunting
NightGizmo - ??

The wolves are in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey, bikes, MMM, Keith, NG, me 100% of the time.

I'd say they're in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey ~90% of the time.

[wufwugy]

cos it's highly likely that jkds was defending you on night two

I think the last two wolves are [Gator][mmm/savy]
yesterday's wagon on bikes is really interesting

Ah I see.

FWIW I think the wolves also had a suspicion that JKDS was lying about only one block. That's why they tried to go after the seer instead of me or JKDS, and it's why JV said they had a bullet for JKDS.

[a500lbgorilla]

The wolves are in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey, bikes, MMM, Keith, NG, me 100% of the time.

I'd say they're in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey ~90% of the time.

Ehhh, I'm gonna put MMM back in there.

[GatorJH]

The wolves are in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey, bikes, MMM, Keith, NG, me 100% of the time.

I'd say they're in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey ~90% of the time.

I would love to hear your thoughts on why you think I am a wolf after yesterday's events.

[GatorJH]

The wolves are in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey, bikes, MMM, Keith, NG, me 100% of the time.

I'd say they're in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey ~90% of the time.

I would love to hear your thoughts on why you think I am a wolf after yesterday's events.

[a500lbgorilla]

I would love to hear your thoughts on why you think I am a wolf after yesterday's events.

Is that what I said?

[GatorJH]

you said...

I'd say they're in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey ~90% of the time.

[GatorJH]

why don't you think Keith or Gizmo belong in that list?

[a500lbgorilla]

I sure did.

[a500lbgorilla]

why don't you think Keith or Gizmo belong in that list?

I don't believe Keith or Gizmo add greatly to the likelyhood of that pool containing the wolves.

Who do you think the wolves are? Or, which pool of players do you think contains them?

[GatorJH]

My top suspects are Jyms, Aubrey Savvy and mmm, but outside of confirmed I haven't ruled out anybody although I you are a wolf I would be extremely surprised.

[daven]

Why gator? Wasn't he one of the driving factors behind JV's lynch?

nah, the wagon was already well underway before gator started chiming in
he was on bikes and happy for him to get nailed until the message from d0zer came in, which seems unlikely for a player who knows the value to the village of days lasting longer
and then when there started to be seem heat on jv (gabe and rilla already had JV bolded) he started scratching for suspicion on jyms/bikes before eventually joining the 'find evidence against jv' crew

Lynch Gator

[Savy]

funny how savy can hardly post ....yet just happened to be online and ready to post the moment the last JV vote was required.

I've said I have been unable to post for a couple of days due to internet, then I had some stuff I needed to catch up on that was more important than WW and have said I have found it hard to catch up on all the content. I haven't said that I haven't been on ftr at all.

[GatorJH]

nah, the wagon was already well underway before gator started chiming in
he was on bikes and happy for him to get nailed until the message from d0zer came in, which seems unlikely for a player who knows the value to the village of days lasting longer
and then when there started to be seem heat on jv (gabe and rilla already had JV bolded) he started scratching for suspicion on jyms/bikes before eventually joining the 'find evidence against jv' crew

Lynch Gator

Jyms also had a couple of bolds at that time iirc. Do you really think I would be that quick to throw jv under the bus? As for bikes, yes I was totally convinced he was a Fed (it's not the first time I have been wrong, btw), but don't confuse my conviction with speed of a lynch. At no point did I say "hey we should snap lynch bikes and end the day quickly".

[GatorJH]

Also, I could have just sat back and let the Bikes bw simmer instead of flipping to jv.

[daven]

As for bikes, yes I was totally convinced he was a Fed (it's not the first time I have been wrong, btw), but don't confuse my conviction with speed of a lynch. At no point did I say "hey we should snap lynch bikes and end the day quickly".

how do you know for sure you were wrong?
only players who can be 100% that bikes is a villager are the wolves

[GatorJH]

I'm not 100% sure, but when I was reviewing JV yesterday he was consistently all over Bikes, so unless they are pulling a major level makes it unlikely Bikes is a Fed.

[GatorJH]

Personally I think there are WAAAY better options than me this game, but since the village is in such good shape if lynching me (and getting that unknown out of the way) is good for the village then go for it.

[a500lbgorilla]

I've said I have been unable to post for a couple of days due to internet, then I had some stuff I needed to catch up on that was more important than WW and have said I have found it hard to catch up on all the content. I haven't said that I haven't been on ftr at all.

It's obvious that ImSavy has to die eventually. He's new and therefore difficult to read, and his terse adversarial stance is his natural posture.

I'm also worried that no one but me wants to lynch Jyms and that some how we're going to circle around him til the end. Jyms also has to die eventually.

As for the pool of MMM, Aubrey, Gator, they're the ones that require some evaluation.

[JKDS]

HAHA, suck it wolves!

People have already hit on it, but with a role blocker in play and the wolves very likely knowing im the angel already I had to make it seem i was worthless. Whether they believed me or not, who knows. But its really the only play I thought that made sense.

Also, jfc luco. I think it was you anyway, but I HATE when people voice in thread that "hes doing it to trick the wolves!". THEN IT VOIDS THE TRICK!!! GAWD.

two wolves sitting in
Gator - lean wolf cos I feel uneasy and DONT KNOW WHY AT ALL
Aubrey - is a fucking wolf
Imsavy - lean wolf for always being around to address suspicions of him
Jyms - lean village cos jyms plays like this all the time, + dynamic with ong seems genuine
Bikes - lean village for wagon dynamics
Monkey - lean wolf
Keith - strong lean village
Luco - Prob villager
The Rilla - strong lean village for JV hunting
NightGizmo - Lean wolf, I get wolf vibes.

I edited this quote with underlines to show my current thinking. I mostly agreed.

The wolves are in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey, bikes, MMM, Keith, NG, me 100% of the time.

I'd say they're in: Jyms, ImSavvy, Gator, Aubrey ~90% of the time.

I just dont see Jyms rilla. Go back through the first 10 pages. The interaction between jyms and ong doesnt seem forced at all to me, and while I expect wolves to be getting better at this...I just dont see it.

Why not NG? Is there something Im missing? As far as I can recall, hes not been very helpful this game and hes usually a pretty strong villager.

I've said I have been unable to post for a couple of days due to internet, then I had some stuff I needed to catch up on that was more important than WW and have said I have found it hard to catch up on all the content. I haven't said that I haven't been on ftr at all.

Evidence for my above post regarding him only appearing when hes in trouble.

It's obvious that ImSavy has to die eventually. He's new and therefore difficult to read, and his terse adversarial stance is his natural posture.

I'm also worried that no one but me wants to lynch Jyms and that some how we're going to circle around him til the end. Jyms also has to die eventually.

As for the pool of MMM, Aubrey, Gator, they're the ones that require some evaluation.

I tried all I could to get aubrey to post and talk. I think shes revealed shes a wolf through it.

[JKDS]

So I guess Im saying

Wolves are in: Gizmo, MMM, Savvy, Aubrey, and Gator. That order isnt related to wolfyness.

[Savy]

When I don't really have the ability to start throwing around accusations there's not really a huge amount I can do apart from defend myself.

The person who I think has acted the strangest so far is Jyms, interesting that a defence of "I'm just not going to defend myself" works.

[aubreymcfate]

Gizmo, I wanted to see the outcome of jv's lynch first. I just saw it when you did, and was in the process of getting ready to leave for work, so I took the simplest route. We could argue back and forth about this all day but it will never be conclusive.

the current pool of unconfirmed villagers/possible feds is me, night gizmo, jyms, gator, mmm, imsavy, rilla, bikes, luco, and keith.

I don't suspect rilla or keith. this doesn't rule them out but I'm not including them in this post. I don't suspect them because if rilla is a wolf he's doing a kickass job and I'm not at that level yet, and keith is also very villagery, plus I remember him well from my first game so I'm pretty sure this is villager keith. His style seems pretty emotional and genuine (not sure if that's the right way to put it but I would contrast it with someone like jv to give an idea of what I mean), so that's why I feel pretty confident that he's a villager. As for bikes, I don't really know, but the confirmed villagers seem to think a JV fed clears him, so fine. Shelving him for now. As for luco - did he out as a reviver? I'm so confused by that. Shelving him too. Also he was wolf last game; what are the chances.

The biggest two suspects for me are jyms and night gizmo, followed by gator (I suspect gator a bit less so because although he has been quiet, I know that's his established style, so I think he naturally comes off wolfy. Still - this is an advantage if he is a wolf, so he's not off my list).

I gave jyms a huge benefit of the doubt earlier, but again, now that the pool has shrunk, it would be negligent to keep excusing his fishy behavior. Also, none of this means that I think mmm or imsavy are particularly villagery - it's more that I think it's hard for me to read confused noobs because I project my own confused noobself onto them, find myself relating a lot, and I think that's clouding my vision a bit. Plus, they haven't posted much. If they are the wolves, then I apologize to any villager I'm going hard on, but that's the nature of the game when you have inactive (or not very active) wolves. That being said, mmm is the wolfiest noob.

here is my read of NG. I implore those more intelligent than me to make of it what they will. ;P

NightGizmo

Post 25 - This is a small tell that only works if MMM or Imsavy are wolves. NightGizmo asks: "MMM and Savy -- have you played before, or is this your first game?" This should be pretty clear… if one of them is a wolf this is a not only a "interact with wolf early to avoid suspicion later" tactic, but shows that NG hasn't been talking to either them at all outside of the thread. Well-played if one of them is a wolf with NG.

NG pushes the whole "lynch in actives on day 1" thing. Not a huge deal but if he's a wolf, this is an easy go to. Admittedly this is an easy go to as a befuddled villager as well. You can see this on the first day, and in post 174.

Post 216 - lynches Wuf. this is not long after wuf came down hard on ong. Notice his complete lack of reasoning…

Post 218 - This one works if NG is a wolf with jyms. He defends jyms by saying he's playing like he does any other game.

NG continues to attack virtually everyone that's confirmed villager: bikes, pascal, wuf, and eugmac. Post 261 is evidence for him going after all four.

Also notice how he's on subtly good terms with Ong this whole time with their whole back and forth about inactives and tracking post counts. Ploy to make it seem like they don't talk in the den? Maybe.

Post 379 - This is very villagery.


Post 385 - Lynches mmm. Honestly, how likely was it that the village was going to target a noob for sliding by and posting fluff? Seems like a safe wolf-on-wolf lynch.

Post 410 - This post is by MMM. I'll just paste it here (this is all directed at NG, btw):

"FWIW, I think you targeting me just screams Village. Doing it so early on day 2 (when you must expect to change your vote before the end of the day) throws a link between us for anyone else to come back and scrutinize, and I think if you really thought I was wolf, you'd have waited until later in the day and you'd have made an actual argument that singles me out among the rabble.

No one expects me or savy to live to late game, so you must expect everyone will know my true identity soon-ish. If you are wolf, then you'd not want this attachment to me on early day 2. That's just silly. If you are vil, then you want to smoke out anyone who may defend me... which no one will, since everyone knows that no one knows what to expect from me, and if I'm wolf and a wolf defends me, then that's bad on them... so...

I think you're really just testing me to ensure that I'll do my part as vil. Which screams vil."

So freaking coached. And if it wasn't, that was pretty astute of you, MMM. And if NightGizmo isn't a wolf, I still think this sounds super coached.

Post 465 - "rescind mmm" lol

The whole lynching pascal and then being dissuaded by JKDS is pretty villagery.

Post 780 - knee-jerk defensiveness.

Post 842 - I think this might be the first NG and JV interaction the whole game, which is super interesting. And it's a small disagreement concerning MMM, subtle enough to not cause any major ripples, clear enough to use as a distancing technique.

Post 866 - MMM puts gizmo in his high probable villager list with one reason: that gizmo attacked him.

Post 988 - Ok. Now this is interesting. Gizmo quotes JKDS saying: "For the record, I am extremely happy with a JV lynch. As confirmed villager numero uno, I demand we lynch JV."

To which Gizmo says: "For the record, you're not a 100% confirmed villager. I'd say that you're about 95% confirmed. There is still a small chance that you're trying to pull a massive level and that the real angel is still hidden and has more blocks."

JKDS did have strong wording, but still, it seems like a disproportionate reaction… Was he feeling edgy over the imminent JV lynch?

Then JKDS is understandably calls him out on lurking throughout the jv discussion.

Nightgizmo says that no, he hasn't been lurking, but instead has been reading JV's posts. He then gives a safe "well yeah he looks wolfy but i gotta read through more" explanation in post 990.

And then JKDS clears him because there's no way he typed that in 1 min? I don't even know what this means. I think he's talking about the little analysis the Gizmo posted about JV… I mean, gizmo probably was reading jv's posts so he could come up with a good analysis rather than lurking, so that's true, but I still don't get how this clears him as a wolf. Whatever.

post 993 - NG lynches jv. jv was a goner at this point anyway, so whatever.

Phew. Ok, so there you go. That's my read on NG. I could still go either way with him to be honest - there was a good amount of hair splitting there (and there was some stuff that I didn't even include because it it was just so small). Just going by the above, I think it's most likely that Nightgizmo is a wolf with mmm.

He was way distant from jv for most of the game, hasn't said much about jyms except that his tone is consistent, and I think had no association with imsavy. Him and ong had a neutral but amicable standing.

Jyms read through coming soon…

[aubreymcfate]

Shit, you know what, I typed that all on the train, that's why I didn't quote anything. If it's unclear let me know. I have no problem reposting it with quotes. I won't do it unless someone asks though.

[JKDS]

Savvy, the problem is that if you were REALLY as busy as you say you are...then how come it just so happens that you can respond everytime someone attacks you?

You're very clearly reading the thread, but you have nothing useful to contribute. Thats troubling.

@Aubrey: I didnt clear NG there. I dismissed that specific attack on him. If its clear an argument fails, it should be struck.

[jyms]

I honestly think Aubrey, Savy and MMM are teh ones we need to look at. I am pretty sure gator and Rilla are gang now. If not we may take a beating the next few nights.

[jyms]

OOOPS! new page again, hang on, I posted at the end of the last page, I need to read more

[a500lbgorilla]

When did luco out as reviver? The first I heard of it was from Keith.

[Savy]

Savvy, the problem is that if you were REALLY as busy as you say you are...then how come it just so happens that you can respond everytime someone attacks you?

You're very clearly reading the thread, but you have nothing useful to contribute. Thats troubling.

I'm not busy atm, it's 20 past one in the morning for me. I also haven't responded instantly when someone has attacked me.

I had some uni and job shit I had to sort out when my internet came back on and apart from that I've just been doing poker related stuff. Pressing ctrl+f and searching your name (rill, only one v) doesn't take long.

[Savy]

I also haven't responded instantly when someone has attacked me.

I also obviously mean every time.

[aubreymcfate]

@Aubrey: I didnt clear NG there. I dismissed that specific attack on him. If its clear an argument fails, it should be struck.

yeah you're right. I obviously wasn't trying to implicate you so I didn't think too much into your intent when it came to that. but yeah, good point.

I blame it on me basically being like this on the train:

[jyms]

I'm not convinced we need to take out gator at this point, I don't see any reason not to take out one of the three I mentioned. Start some wagons and see how the voting goes. If we become lost by the end of those three, I will gladly give myself up for the team to satisfy Rilla.

[daven]

s for luco - did he out as a reviver? I'm so confused by that. Shelving him too. Also he was wolf last game; what are the chances.

did you really just launch into the gambler's fallacy with a forum full of poker players?!

[JKDS]

Regarding the vigilante: Give the bullet to a confirmed villager tonight (like super confirmed. Daven, me, wuf). Then we shoot someone in the suspicious pool. We want to kill as many people as possible so we can increase the "confirmed villager : unknowns" ratio, as fast as possible.

If you're IN that suspicious pile, evaluate how likely you are to be shot/lynched. If its very high, you should probably out or just not give up the bullet (unless this kills you, i dont remember). You probably wont get nommed though, since the wolves need to go after us confirmed guys so I wouldnt worry about that at all.

[aubreymcfate]

lol like I even know what the hell that is. I don't think I've ever played a real game of poker in my life. I actually have no business being on this forum so blame wufwugy for that one.

[aubreymcfate]

(that being said I can see how it's a fallacy - it was sort of a throwaway remark, just a reason I find it a bit less likely, that's all. But he's another one that the confirmed ones seem to not care about and I have no idea what that "outing" was about, so yeah, like I said. Shelved.)