Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[daven]

Originally Posted by Keith
...also the reviver is a one shot donkey and thats used up now......he should out himself now before the wolves use it as an out. or if they do ...its a guarnateed dead wolf by killing both.

I think I'm gonna wait a bit, maybe out tomorrow instead.

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[daven]

^ that's for rilla re luco outing as reviver

[jyms]

@ JKDS. Any chance of knowing who the wolves went after last night as their strat? Was it you? Or is it not something we should know?

[Keith]

been through and interspersed the voting with posts known wolves and were making and how some others were acting.Following up with some commentary oin this post to make it easier to compare

22 jkds jyms (jyms 1)
87 ng jyms (jyms2)
88 MMM jyms (jyms 3)
100 wuf daven (jyms 3 daven 1)
101 ong daven (jyms 3 daven 2)
104 aubrey daven (jyms 3 daven 3)
115 sav jyms (jyms 4 daven 3)
116 gabe bikes (jyms 4 daven 3 bikes 1)
119 jv bikes (jyms 4 daven 3 bikes 2)

lynch bikes

Gotta keep that meta rolling.

120 luco jyms (jyms 5 daven 3 bikes 2)
132 hoopy pascal ???
150 jyms bikes (jyms 5 : daven 3 bikes 3) why didnt jyms go daven???

#150

You know what, fuck this. Lynch bikes He needs to post. probably leveled us to play and going to get modkilled anyway

#153

Cmon bikes and pascal, hurry up and post so we can remove inactivity from our lynch criteria. It doesn't help us when so many votes are on these two, it's a nice place for wolves to hide whilst appearing to be pro-town.

I'm still happy with daven. "His spray feels different" is just plain weak. First page is random noise. My spray is random noise. It's no different to any other random noise I make on the first page. If daven really does think my spray is different, then why did he jump off my wagon? I got to four votes pretty quickly, I could get lynched today, so to say his vote wasn't much use is odd. It's reeks of opportunism, and he regonised it when others started to drop me, so he backed off. I'm with wuf, daven is a wolf.

164 jkds rescind jyms (jyms 4 : daven 3 bikes 3)
165NG rescind jyms lynch bikes (jyms 3 : daven 3 bikes 4)

#164

rescind jyms, his explanation works for day 1 (esp with 2 inactives), although I'm not too keen on his new, balanced play style. We'll see how that plays out.

lynch bikes for inactivity.

#172

Bikes and pascal aren't wolf here most of the time. Unless one hasn't actually made contact with wolves and can't get to a computer. Wolves post, they try to look village and they stay in the weeds. Starting and climbing on and off wagons. They are careful, tehy don't get on wagons together or at teh same time. They make mistakes on purpose and the others point them out to distance themselves. Remember the whole "towning" debacle. It won the wolves the game when rong convinced everyone he was a villager.

#173

I'm going to stay on a bikes lynch till he posts, then I will go for a pascal lynch. If they both post then I guess we will see what's next

#175

I don't necessarily think bikes and pascal are wolves either. But like you said in post 148, it's hard on the first day.

The most likely thing is that wolves are well camouflaged on day 1. that's why a wolf bingo is our best bet, but that would also mean we'd be more likely to bag a wolf by going for someone random rather than someone who fumbled, 'cause wolves are going to be more guarded and less likely to fumble on day 1.

that's why i'm not sold on daven, but i also don't want to just pick someone at random because that's not cool.

This game is different seeing as we have a reviver. We should probably lynch someone who will be useful if revived. Bikes is better than pascal on this basis, but he'd need to at least convince the reviver that he's going to participate. Dan has made it clear that before he modkills, he will warn us well in advance. If that warning comes, then we should consider lynching. Until then, voting for them is a wasted vote imo.

184 ong rescind daven lynch eugmac (jyms 3 : daven 2 bikes 4:eug)
185 ng rescinds bikes lynch pascal (jyms 3 : daven 2 bikes 3:eug 1: pascal3)

=191 4.38pm

Yeah you have a point about two inactives, we can only lynch one. I'm expecting bikes to emerge, it would be strange for him to sign up after missing so many games, and then not bother, especially with dan being mod. IIRC bikes and dan have met up IRL and are friends. Plus, bikes is a good villager, especially at endgame, so I'm reluctant to lynch him purely due to activity.

Pascal is the better lynch of the two imo.

#199

Ya this. Wolves are distanced in every way possible. They are careful not to be on wagons and defending each other. Most will take one for the team far faster than a villager would, because they know their team.

I'm willing to bet no 2 wolves have bolded the same villager yet, one may have bolded another wolf, but they wouldn't bold each other. They are weaving circles.

#204

I never bolded anyone claiming they are a wolf either.

I'm also not going to get into this with you like previous games. What will catch wolves is posting, lots of posting. When we, as villagers sit and argue over crap the wolves can just fuel fire and stay out of the way. Right now with two inactives, neither of which has much chance of being a wolf, we need to get the game moving. Many people that have yet to be involved, including gabe, rilla, JV, and gator are all going to be a huge problem if they turn up wolf. They need to be posting more and putting pressure on inactives will not do this either.

209 luco rescind jyms lynch gabe (jyms 2 : daven 2 bikes 3:eug 1: pascal3)

#200 (about jyms post)

While I don't hate this post, it amuses me because it's the kind of shit you're really quick to hound me for... attempting to read wolves' motives and actions on day one. Keep up the good work.

#210 5.19 pm bikes turns up with his first post saying he forgot

211MMM rescind jyms lynch gabe (jyms 1 : daven 2 bikes 3:eug 1: pascal3)

#215

jyms is talking an awful lot for day 1 dunno why. either you give yourself away as a villager early and get shot/nommed/killed whatever it is this game or you give yourself away as a wolf. w/e about missing 2/5 inactives. no stratagem would be that obvious.

normally i'd go with gabe on day 1 but seeing as he wants to lynch me (for totally justified reasons :[ )

i'll go with a pascal unless he shows up seeing as hes gonna be modkilled

239 rilla rescind ong lynch jyms (jyms 2 : daven 2 bikes 3:eug 1: pascal3)

#240

Yeah fair enough. Like I say, I'm not lynching mojo today, and I'll take this on board when deciding on later days who to vote for. I'll need more than just this to lynch mojo, but it's certainly a comment that killed the town read I had on him.

250 gabe rescind bikes eug (jyms 2 : daven 2 bikes 2:eug 2: pascal3)
252 JV rescind bikes lynch keith (jyms 2 : daven 2 bikes 1:eug 2: pascal3)
277 eug rescind gizmo lynch gabe

#282rong count (wrong ....corrected for pascal error)
Pascal - 2 (Hoopy, Bikes)
Gabe - 3 (Luco, MMM, Eug)
Wuf - 2 (Keith, Daven)
Jyms - 2 (Rilla, Savy)
Daven - 2 (Wuf, Aubrey)
Eug - 2 (Ong, Gabe)
Bikes - 1 (Jyms)
Savy - 1 (JKDS)
Keith - 1 (JV)

#288 bikes rescind pascal lynch eug (pascal 1 gabe 3 wuf 2 jyms 2 daven 2 eug 3)
#289 rilla rescind jyms lynch eug (pascal 1 gabe 3 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 2 eug 4)
#293 luco rescind gabe lynch eug (pascal 1 gabe 2 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 2 eug 5)
#294 ong rescind eug lynch daven (pascal 1 gabe 2 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 3 eug 4)
#302 JV rescind keith lynch daven (pascal 1 gabe 2 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 4 eug 4)
#303

Just a reminder for anyone who comes back to read through this thread in a few days when people are trying to figure bikes out based on the nothing he'll have posted by whatever point in the future you find yourself in.

I consider it a wolf-tell when you feel the need to lay out some justification for moving a vote around.

#305 ong rescind daven (pascal 1 gabe 2 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 3 eug 4)

#310

Well I didn't notice jack vote for him when I rescinded. I'm past that post of daven's now, and I'm not disliking him as much. Sure that post I quoted was dodgy, but his following posts aren't so bad. So I'll wait until I'm up to this page before deciding who to vote. Eug isn't a bad choice either.

#317 gator lynch eug (pascal 1 gabe 2 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 3 eug 5)
#320 wuf rescind daven lynch gabe (pascal 1 gabe 3 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 2 eug 6)
#323 MMM rescind gabe lynch eug(pascal 1 gabe 2 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 2 eug 6)
#327 ong lycnh eug (pascal 1 gabe 2 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 2 eug 7)
#329 hoopy rescind pascal lynch eug (gabe 2 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 2 eug 8)
#333 NG lynch eug (gabe 2 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 2 eug 9)
#336 jyms rescinds bikes
#344 wuf rescind gabe lynch eug (gabe 1 wuf 2 jyms 1 daven 2 eug 10)

[Keith]

so some commentary on what i included above

#101 and 104 Jyms is in the lead but ong bolds daven and aubrey follows suit

#119 bikes hasn't shown up and JV lynches bikes

#150 jyms follows suit . wolves worried bikes is gonna get modkilled?
#153 ong again bringing up the inactives saying its a nice place for wolves to hide.....and we know that JV a wolf is hiding there...is jyms as well?
#172 is jyms revealing the truth here....bikes hasn't got in contact yet and the wolves are worried he'd be modkilled and they are piling on for cover if he is modkilled whilst making noises that he could be revived which ong says in #177.
after NG rescinds bikes leaving jyms,bikes and pascal level ,ong then is reluctant to lynch bikes preferring a pascal lynch

#191 ong says that he expects bikes to turn up. so from post 177 he has flipped from wanting to kill bikes because he'd be a good revive to now thinking that bikes will turn up and pascal would be a better lynch.
#199 strange post by jyms . how can he be so authorative about the wolves strategy this game.
#200 ong comments on jyms post....maybe gaining cover if it backfires on jyms.
#204 jyms now says that its unlikely that the inactives are wolves.
#210 bikes turns up , half an hour after Ong changed his tune about bikes being a better lynch than pascal and saying that jhe expected bikes to turn up....had he checked in withthe wolf thread first and caught up on wolf strat before he actually posted.

#294 eug is heading for a wagon and he then puts daven back into the frame. Is this because deadline was approaching and eug hadn't outed as a special. by putting another name into the frame its a shot at getting someone else to out themselves.

#303 prophetic post by rilla

in summary the known wolves were attacking bikes until he showed up , then switched tack. Jyms also seemed highly involved in the whole thing. Jyms and bikes as the last two wolves?

[jyms]

Wow keith, that was from left field.

[NightGizmo]

Phew. Ok, so there you go. That's my read on NG. I could still go either way with him to be honest - there was a good amount of hair splitting there (and there was some stuff that I didn't even include because it it was just so small). Just going by the above, I think it's most likely that Nightgizmo is a wolf with mmm.

He was way distant from jv for most of the game, hasn't said much about jyms except that his tone is consistent, and I think had no association with imsavy. Him and ong had a neutral but amicable standing.

You obviously put a lot of work into compiling those quotes. But your conclusion is way off base. In your massive quote-list, you say "very villagery" about me multiple times. You also have MMM and I interacting a fair amount (I'm pushing and lynching MMM, he's saying I'm a villager because of it). And then somehow you come to the conclusion that I must be a wolf and therefore so must MMM?

Re: my day 1 discussion with Ong -- my inactive question was aimed at Ong and JKDS, but only Ong responded. I can't help that JKDS missed/ignored my question.

A lot of your "tells" are really just neutral. For instance, when I asked MMM+Savy if they have played before. I answered my own question when I saw it in the sign-up thread! I always like to know who's playing for the first time, because I don't lynch them on day 1 -- check back in the other games I've played.

I don't see much else evidence in your wall of text. You also leave out a fair amount of evidence that I am a villager: I'm wolf hunting and re-reading the thread for information, I'm flat-out telling the village to shut up about angel powers, I'm purposely withholding my vote on fast wagons to keep the day's discussion going. Hell -- if I didn't rescind my vote on bikes, day 3 might have ended within the first 24 hours! Obviously this would have more value if we knew bikes' role, but I still agree that JV's voting record makes bikes less likely to be a fed.

[Keith]

Regarding the vigilante: Give the bullet to a confirmed villager tonight (like super confirmed. Daven, me, wuf). Then we shoot someone in the suspicious pool. We want to kill as many people as possible so we can increase the "confirmed villager : unknowns" ratio, as fast as possible.

if the daven jkds and wuf all have three or four people (each different combination) that they will shoot the vig can nominate one of them to do the shot that will avoid him. it saves the pussy killer having to out to save themselves.

[JKDS]

if the daven jkds and wuf all have three or four people (each different combination) that they will shoot the vig can nominate one of them to do the shot that will avoid him. it saves the pussy killer having to out to save themselves.

I love this. If I were to get a bullet tonight, Im shooting Savy or Aubrey.

Wuf pick two different people.

Daven pick two different people.

I havent read anything but this post lol

[JKDS]

And yeah, keith's a villager lol

[NightGizmo]

If you're IN that suspicious pile, evaluate how likely you are to be shot/lynched. If its very high, you should probably out or just not give up the bullet (unless this kills you, i dont remember). You probably wont get nommed though, since the wolves need to go after us confirmed guys so I wouldnt worry about that at all.

Isn't there a better option? I think Keith suggested it (running off memory here, I could be wrong). The confirmed villagers chooses 2 of themselves, and each say who they will kill. If the pussy-hunter is in that list, he can choose the villager that won't shoot him. This also works if someone outs as the pussy-hunter -- one villager says he'll shoot the outed pussy-hunter, the other says someone else.

[NightGizmo]

Shit, way too slow.

[wufwugy]

aubrey is wolf every time it's not even close

lynch aubrey

the only question now is if savy keeps showing up conveniently because he's a wolf and aubrey called him lock villager (lol) as a nubwolf mistake, if gator has evolved to his final form and woke the fuck up after the seer lookups were no longer possible with attacking bikes and throwing jv under the bus in super villagery fashion, if mmm is wolf because he's not interested but still posting, or if keith is wolf playing somewhat sensibly unlike what is probably expected of him as a wolf

i'll do a more thorough rundown later

[wufwugy]

I love this. If I were to get a bullet tonight, Im shooting Savy or Aubrey.

Wuf pick two different people.

Daven pick two different people.

I havent read anything but this post lol

we're lynching aubrey and im shooting mmm or savy

[JKDS]

@ JKDS. Any chance of knowing who the wolves went after last night as their strat? Was it you? Or is it not something we should know?

This is the kind of question that should reveal info about your role, but im drawing a blank atm.

Yes, I protected myself.

[wufwugy]

btw lol at aubrey saying i went hard at ong. i kinda never went at him at all, just said he needs to not flippantly bold people because it's a style that massively benefits wolves and is terrible for villages. my guess is ong was paranoid that i read him like book like the last game he was wolf and they talked about it, or that aubrey was worried on her own. people kinda made that thing a big deal when it wasn't in the slightest

[JKDS]

You're supposed to pick someone different! Gawd.

Fine, I agree.

lynch aubrey, and Ill NOW shoot Gizmo or Gator.

[jyms]

Awesome idea keith.

[Keith]

the fact gator is still alive isn't strange in this game because of all the confirmed villagers that appeared on the second day. wolves had to prioritise taking out the knowns simply cos there were so many of them and the numbers were against them.

[NightGizmo]

Ha, I also just noticed this.

The biggest two suspects for me are jyms and night gizmo, followed by gator

(skip ahead)

Just going by the above, I think it's most likely that Nightgizmo is a wolf with mmm.

He was way distant from jv for most of the game, hasn't said much about jyms except that his tone is consistent, and I think had no association with imsavy. Him and ong had a neutral but amicable standing.

So the wolves are in [jyms, gizmo, gator] -- no wait, [gizmo, mmm] -- because gizmo distanced himself from [savy, ong, jv, jyms]. How many wolves are in this game?

lynch aubrey

[JKDS]

Keith evolved into super villager. Good point. K, I need to pokers now lol

[Keith]

also is there any benefit in having seperate lists dependent on the result of the lynch. i.e are some people more likely a wolf if the lynched person is a wolf.

[wufwugy]

dont get aubrey within two votes to final kill yet

[Keith]

wuf/jkds you better put up a couple of names for daven to shoot in case the wolves/idiot somehow close this day before daven can post his picks. daven can override your picks for him and would have to post his picks but at least daven would still then be a option for the vig in case the day did end.

[jyms]

I'm willing to lynch aurbrey as I said but I can wait for Wuf.

[Keith]

Quote Originally Posted by jyms
@ JKDS. Any chance of knowing who the wolves went after last night as their strat? Was it you? Or is it not something we should know?

This is the kind of question that should reveal info about your role, but im drawing a blank atm.

Yes, I protected myself.

THats a blatant ...... i can't be a wolf because i don't know who the angel saved...... Whereas , just read the death scene ....the wolves shot the angel ....he went down ...they shot gabe running away.....angel got up and took off his kevlar jacket that stopped the bullets....

therefore pretty dam obvious that the angel protected himself and the wolves targetted him with the bullet that rong gave them....

so again ....why try and claim that you don't know who was protected ......i'd far rather lynch jyms today.

[aubreymcfate]

Lol, you guys completely misread stuff I said just to find reasons for me to be bullshitting. Like NG - I never said you were definitely a wolf. I tried to be as broad and open with my read as possible, hence me saying why I found you villagery. The point is to be objective all inclusive, 'cause you know, I'm a villager, and I actually give a shit about seeing every possible avenue of possibility. And wuf, you DID go after ong. Maybe not "hard" but enough for me to think it was worth mentioning that NG went for you.

I very clearly was picking up different things that would show various combinations of wolves. I never said I knew who the last two were and that all my evidence would conclusively point there. So no NG, I never implied there were so many wolves. I'm looking at the evidence for the different possibilities.

I love how we're going for me over jyms. I mean it's fine, I still win if you lynch me, but it seems absolutely asinine to lynch a villager who's doing their best to read those they don't know about, and offering all of the clues they can find, rather than lynch the person who hasn't done any real wolf hunting from what I can tell, and who has been acting very suspicious. It seems like you're punishing me for not wolf hunting correctly rather than go for those that are actually suspicious.

Seriously, how many people have you guys wrongly suspected now? We got so lucky with the early Ong find because that showed us a lot of confirmed villagers, otherwise they'd probably dead with the way you guys like to hunt. I've been playing no different than any other game because this is the only way I know how to play - both wuf and Luco have noticed that.

[aubreymcfate]

"I mean it's fine, I still win if you lynch me" there should be a "can" between I and Still. the point being all villagers win if the village wins, alive and dead.

[jyms]

THats a blatant ...... i can't be a wolf because i don't know who the angel saved...... Whereas , just read the death scene ....the wolves shot the angel ....he went down ...they shot gabe running away.....angel got up and took off his kevlar jacket that stopped the bullets....

therefore pretty dam obvious that the angel protected himself and the wolves targetted him with the bullet that rong gave them....

so again ....why try and claim that you don't know who was protected ......i'd far rather lynch jyms today.

I never read that shit. It's long winded and he alsways says it is just a story and not to take anything from it. You really think I am stupid enough to pull this as a wolf to play a role?? Fuck it,, lynch me. I'm not defending myself. We have this locked up and my lynch will clear another confusing villager/wolf for you guys. It's time I lay down for the team since I made the mistake early trying to survive. I'm just creating confusion around the targets

And no this isn't a wolf ploy. I'm good with the lynch

[NightGizmo]

I did a partial read-through of Gator's posts (dinner is almost ready, so I'm short on time for right now) and I scrutinized his voting record yesterday.

Top of page 19, Rong posts the vote counts: JV = none, bikes = 6 (gator, wuf, aubrey, jv, savy, mmm)

Wuf switches to JV (bikes 5 vs. JV 1)
gator rescinds (bikes 4 vs JV 1)
rilla adds second vote (bikes 4 vs. JV 2)
Gabe adds 3rd vote (bikes 4 vs. JV 3)
Gator says he's going to look at JV's posts.
Gator votes for JV, making it bikes 4 vs. JV 4

Gator pushed JV's wagon so it was even with bikes and then continued to look for more evidence. I don't think he's a very good lynch today. I also really hope JKDS doesn't get the bullet, because I think he only has villagers on his list.

[NightGizmo]

I also found this interchange, which might be incriminating for MMM or ImSavy. Is JV trying to redirect pressure coming at MMM?

Are we possibly scaring of the first-timers MMM and savy? In the past half dozen games or so the newcomers have been very involved, so these guy not doing so looks fishy. But MMM aluded to being too confused to post so idk.

It's also a wolf tell when a lot of a person's posts are "I'm confused and don't know what to say", so I don't give any villager cred to that post from MMM.

Totally agree here and I could definitely see a wolf like Ong telling him to play that way.

While I agree with this principle 100%, wouldn't a wolf ong tell them NOT to play that way?

[aubreymcfate]

I also found this interchange, which might be incriminating for MMM or ImSavy. Is JV trying to redirect pressure coming at MMM?

I think MMM is more wolfy than imsavy. I forget if I said it in the post I did about you, maybe not, but I think that my read through of you could point to MMM being a wolf even if you aren't (hence me doing that read through - it opens up various doors, it wasn't just a missile targeted only at you).

Biggest thing was that post he made saying he thought you were challenging him... It just seemed too coached and suddenly knowledgeable about the game for a noob.

[wufwugy]

i think the final wolves are aubrey and savy a whole bunch, but sometimes aubrey and mmm.

if that doesn't solve all of it, the game gets mighty interesting because every other player has a way better case for being a villager


about those others:

i cant imagine rilla or bikes ever being wolves here. i mean maaaaaaybe if jv told rilla to plan on throwing him under the bus like a week or two ago, but thats super duper unlikely. keep in mind that it's likely that the wolves never attacked each other because jv likes that strategy. but jv also thinks that it can get too obvious, so they may not want to always do that

i can imagine gator being a wolf, but i doubt it. the reason i can imagine it is because he's smart enough to have refined his play so much that he could wait till the seer is gone to come out of his shell. that big case for bikes seemed a little odd for gator to do this early in the game, but not actually weird. the jv thing meant that he got the go ahead from jv to throw him under the bus. overall, i just dont think gator is a wolf UNLESS our backs are up against the wall and we know for a fact that somebody is pulling a huge level. then gator is worth looking at

i cant imagine jyms being a wolf due to his wagon being at 5 on day 1 and nobody caring. it took several hours for gizmo to bold bikes but then nothing else about that, and several more for ong to bold eug, whom he didnt push much for. this tells me jyms was a villager and ong was just flopping around like normal

keith is probably a villager, but he can probably trick me


then there's gizmo. his normal wolf games are kinda villagery, but he looks more villagery than normal. it's possible that jv shooting him in his previous wolf game showed him he needs to change, but i kinda doubt it. the best reason i have for him possibly being a wolf is that aubrey is trying to paint him as a baddy. since aubrey is always showing up as a wolf, i wonder if she and the last wolf have a plan for him to win the endgame. if the last wolves are just aubrey and savy, lol


anyways i think this game is just really straightforward and the wolves are in aubrey savy mmm, but if theyre being a wee tricky it could be gizmo, and if they're super super super tricky (they're not) it opens the door for anybody other than bikes

[aubreymcfate]

lol wuf all I have to do is go look back at your epic daven/gabe post to start rolling my eyes at your declarative statements about this game. please. i love you but no.

[Keith]

wuf have you read #1129 and #1130 and thought about the timing of ong and JVs aboiut turn on bikes .?

[wufwugy]

Seriously, how many people have you guys wrongly suspected now? We got so lucky with the early Ong find because that showed us a lot of confirmed villagers, otherwise they'd probably dead with the way you guys like to hunt. I've been playing no different than any other game because this is the only way I know how to play - both wuf and Luco have noticed that.

it's a good first wolf game. i commend the effort

[aubreymcfate]

VERY VERY BAD MAN

ok but seriously, just simmer down and let some other people form their own conclusions with you spreading your ego all over the place like a horny cat.

[aubreymcfate]

WITHOUT you goddamnitcannottypeever

[Keith]

hold on ....luco is reviver so he should get two picks as well.... choose some for him as well as daven, wuf cos luco is probably in bed by now

[wufwugy]

wuf have you read #1129 and #1130 and thought about the timing of ong and JVs aboiut turn on bikes .?

can you point it out to me more specifically? i fail to see the gravitas of what they said/did about bikes

[wufwugy]

VERY VERY BAD MAN

ok but seriously, just simmer down and let some other people form their own conclusions with you spreading your ego all over the place like a horny cat.

are you still trying to pretend to be a villager?

[aubreymcfate]

STOP IT you know that scene is my weakness!!!!!!!!

also you are a clown and you amuse me.

I have nothing else to say at the moment, but it would be nice if people did a solid read through on me before lynching me over fucking jyms of all people, because one less wolf is always better than one less villager.

[aubreymcfate]

goes without saying that if anyone I point at strongly at gets lynched, I will gladly give myself up without protest. It just feels like an insult for me to get lynched before jyms, mmm, or imsavy.

also jyms, I hope I don't sound too bitchy towards you (wuf can attest that this isn't a ploy, I have pretty bad anxiety when it comes to coming off the wrong way and possibly offending anyone if I didn't mean to), so please don't take what I say personally. I just think you've been playing a remarkably fishy game. I don't remember you being like this in the other two games I played.

[Savy]

i think the final wolves are aubrey and savy a whole bunch,

How much you willing to bet I'm a wolf? I'll give you 3/1 up to $10.

If it looks like I'm getting lynched I'm going to have some fun.

(I see no reason this wouldn't be allowed, if it is my bad)

[wufwugy]

How much you willing to bet I'm a wolf? I'll give you 3/1 up to $10.

If it looks like I'm getting lynched I'm going to have some fun.

(I see no reason this wouldn't be allowed, if it is my bad)

$0

[Savy]

It just feels like an insult for me to get lynched before jyms, mmm, or imsavy.

This has seriously offended me btw.

[wufwugy]

man if people regularly accepted bets during a werewolf game, it would be super lucrative to be a villager. id make millions off of keith

[jyms]

goes without saying that if anyone I point at strongly at gets lynched, I will gladly give myself up without protest. It just feels like an insult for me to get lynched before jyms, mmm, or imsavy.

also jyms, I hope I don't sound too bitchy towards you (wuf can attest that this isn't a ploy, I have pretty bad anxiety when it comes to coming off the wrong way and possibly offending anyone if I didn't mean to), so please don't take what I say personally. I just think you've been playing a remarkably fishy game. I don't remember you being like this in the other two games I played.

Don't sweat it, it's all part of the game. Nothing here has ever spilled over into the forum I don't think. and personally, I can't be offended,

[GatorJH]

Regarding the vigilante: Give the bullet to a confirmed villager tonight (like super confirmed. Daven, me, wuf). Then we shoot someone in the suspicious pool. We want to kill as many people as possible so we can increase the "confirmed villager : unknowns" ratio, as fast as possible.

If you're IN that suspicious pile, evaluate how likely you are to be shot/lynched. If its very high, you should probably out or just not give up the bullet (unless this kills you, i dont remember). You probably wont get nommed though, since the wolves need to go after us confirmed guys so I wouldnt worry about that at all.

Daven should get the bullet and it should be obvious why he should.

[aubreymcfate]

This has seriously offended me btw.

well you I don't care about :P jkjk i'm self-flagellating as we speak.


Why's it obvious that Daven should get the bullet?

[Keith]

i think gator is still reading the thread and hadn't got to the revised shooting option.

[wufwugy]

hmmm, and then there's this

Jyms is definitely acting weird, but wolf? I mean... why? What's the point of even saying any of that as a wolf? I think I have a feel for jyms's general style now, and this is not a jymwolf.

that was shortly after two jyms bolds fell off, pulling him from 5 to 3 against daven to tied with daven. and guess who was on the daven wagon at that time? ong wuf aubrey

after aubrey flips villager, i think this is a really strong case for jyms being the final wolf. the reason is that it shows that the wolves indeed were doing everything they could to help out jyms. there is almost no chance jv would also bold daven (he was on bikes at the time). this is kinda exactly what it would look like if jyms is a wolf.

furthermore, jyms has been one of the wolfiest players this game. there are only three reasons people fell off him: 1) after i outed, my daven and gabe reads dominated, bikes got heat reasonably, then jv was so overwhelmingly wolfy that we all busted him. 2) him being in the lead with 5 against daven's 3. 3) people saying "man he's so wolfy that it dont make sense he would be this wolfy as a wolf." fwiw, i dont agree with the 3rd one. i think that makes him legit wolfy. i have been on the same page with rilla this entire game about how wolfy jyms has been, but the first two reasons have given him a backseat

also, notice how aubrey keeps claiming he's such a wolf and she even said she was going to make a big ass jyms-wolf post after her gizmo one, yet she didn't


so yeah, im changing my final answer: aubrey and jyms, sitting in a tree, kay eye ess ess eye en jee

[wufwugy]

^^ imeant after aubrey flips wolf in second paragraph

NO EDITING

NO EDITING

[Keith]

can some one tell wuf to nominate who daven and luco shoot in case the day ends ....he hasn't responded yet.

[aubreymcfate]

I didn't make the jyms post because I pretended to exercise (no ok it was a real workout, for once), ate, and am watching TYT. Yeah, I admit, I'm being lazy. I'd like to have some down time after work lol, not just play WW. BUT YOU KNOW THIS, you know for a fact I've been doing stuff 'cause we've been talking on AIM, so stop pretending you don't wuf.

I will not deny for a second I defended jyms in the beginning. He didn't seem like the best lynch, at all. Now he does.

I'm not too worried about getting a jyms read through in incredibly soon because everyone already know why he's been fishy, it's not a huge revelation. It's just a matter of putting the pieces together.

[wufwugy]

day wont end today

but anyways, luco shoot jyms or rilla

daven shoot keith or bikes

[Keith]

my 5 priority unknown kills are jyms, bikes,aubrey,mmm,savy

[wufwugy]

I didn't make the jyms post because I pretended to exercise (no ok it was a real workout, for once), ate, and am watching TYT. Yeah, I admit, I'm being lazy. I'd like to have some down time after work lol, not just play WW. BUT YOU KNOW THIS, you know for a fact I've been doing stuff 'cause we've been talking on AIM, so stop pretending you don't wuf.

I will not deny for a second I defended jyms in the beginning. He didn't seem like the best lynch, at all. Now he does.

I'm not too worried about getting a jyms read through in incredibly soon because everyone already know why he's been fishy, it's not a huge revelation. It's just a matter of putting the pieces together.

but you're on the chopping block. if you were serious about jyms you would point out why

[aubreymcfate]

But the why, as I already said, is evident already... It's what everyone has already been talking about, it's nothing new. Again, it's a matter of putting together the pieces, not regurgitating shit everyone's already said.

[daven]

lynch aubrey

Check out her posts, shorter thannormal, less wolf hunting, says she has a lock villager read on ImSavy (how?).

We should run 2 wagons against each other imo, eug vs aubrey, or eug vs jyms if people don't think aubrey is suspicious.

i'm pretty keen to go with hoopy on this one
aubrey vs jyms
(sub in gator for either of those two)

[bikes]

how the fuck do people still think i'm a wolf. so overpowered imo.

anyways i can get behind an aubrey or gator lynch. aubrey because i think theres a lot to be said about how her posts went down after jv realized he was screwed. and a gator lynch because he's gator.

also a jyms lynch because i still dont like his uber overposting early game and now nearly nothing mid game, though tbh he was posting anything of value early or mid it's just a whole lot of fluff.

[daven]

I have nothing else to say at the moment, but it would be nice if people did a solid read through on me before lynching me over fucking jyms of all people, because one less wolf is always better than one less villager.

this one's for you
or, you can note that gator already has a lynch vote and get on his wagon
you choose

rescind gator
lynch jyms

also, as far as i can tell this is how the vig-shooting situation stands at the moment, nominee and our designated targets:

jkds - Ill NOW shoot Gizmo or Gator.
wuf - im shooting mmm or savy
luco - jyms or rilla
daven - keith or bikes

[Luco]

Apologies if my outing was unclear, I'm a joker at heart

Eug - if you're reading this, the upcoming wedding was the only reason I chose daven over you. If you weren't getting married I would have flipped a coin.

Daven - you're welcome.

If you need further proofs on me, I've had a bead on jackvance since day fucking one.

Moving on...

[Luco]

nah, the wagon was already well underway before gator started chiming in
he was on bikes and happy for him to get nailed until the message from d0zer came in, which seems unlikely for a player who knows the value to the village of days lasting longer
and then when there started to be seem heat on jv (gabe and rilla already had JV bolded) he started scratching for suspicion on jyms/bikes before eventually joining the 'find evidence against jv' crew

Lynch Gator

I spotted this too on my overnight read through.

[GatorJH]

well you I don't care about :P jkjk i'm self-flagellating as we speak.


Why's it obvious that Daven should get the bullet?

Because Daven is the only one who is 100% villager. Everyone else is only 99% villager.

[Luco]

HAHA, suck it wolves!

People have already hit on it, but with a role blocker in play and the wolves very likely knowing im the angel already I had to make it seem i was worthless. Whether they believed me or not, who knows. But its really the only play I thought that made sense.

Also, jfc luco. I think it was you anyway, but I HATE when people voice in thread that "hes doing it to trick the wolves!". THEN IT VOIDS THE TRICK!!! GAWD.

Sorry, I'm still kinda new. Thankfully your 'I just woke up' sounded natural enough. Lesson learned.

[Luco]

Way too much work this morning. Gotta sign off for a bit.

[Luco]

BTW anyone but savy (one v) or MMM today is beyond fail. We have time in hand and they're far too low content to be left around for endgame, villager or not.

[Luco]

Seriously, how many people have you guys wrongly suspected now? We got so lucky with the early Ong find because that showed us a lot of confirmed villagers, otherwise they'd probably dead with the way you guys like to hunt. I've been playing no different than any other game because this is the only way I know how to play - both wuf and Luco have noticed that.

I knew last night you'd play the 'wuf and luco' card.

FWIW I still think you're villager here a decent % of the time as you've echoed thoughts that I haven't expressed out loud on more than one occasion. But the fact that JV came out with a bikes bold on day 2 just as you were picking up votes, well that sucks for you if you're town.

At least you're still posting

[a500lbgorilla]

How much you willing to bet I'm a wolf? I'll give you 3/1 up to $10.

If it looks like I'm getting lynched I'm going to have some fun.

(I see no reason this wouldn't be allowed, if it is my bad)

This shit is against the rules as they existed at one point. I don't know if the rule is still expressly written anywhere.

[Luco]

I'm not busy atm, it's 20 past one in the morning for me. I also haven't responded instantly when someone has attacked me.

I had some uni and job shit I had to sort out when my internet came back on and apart from that I've just been doing poker related stuff. Pressing ctrl+f and searching your name (rill, only one v) doesn't take long.

Oh wow.

[a500lbgorilla]

When I don't really have the ability to start throwing around accusations there's not really a huge amount I can do apart from defend myself.

The person who I think has acted the strangest so far is Jyms, interesting that a defence of "I'm just not going to defend myself" works.

Why can't you do anything apart from defend yourself (allowing that you can't just throw accusations around for whatever reason)?

[a500lbgorilla]

Why is MMM having such trouble getting into the day 4 fun?

[Luco]

Why is MMM having such trouble getting into the day 4 fun?

No such thing for MMM:

This game requires a great deal more time and patience than I originally signed up for. I was just going to quit, but that's pretty fucking childish and rude to you guys. So, I'm in, but I'm spending a lot less time on this than I have been. I think 1 - 2 hours a day is more than enough here. I've been spending a lot more than that, and it's not fun for me. Games are supposed to be fun. Take that how you will.

I'm feeling merciful:

Lynch MadMojoMonkey

[a500lbgorilla]

I don't have fun as a wolf either.

lynch MMM