Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[GatorJH]

Well,
Like I said Aubrey is at the top of my list and since she has turned away from Jyms and pointed her little nails at me then I will go with a lynch aubrey.

There may actually be some merit to wuf's argument in this case.

[Luco]

Ok I'm out right now but

rescind

I got some of the maths wrong while drunk. Will review.

[Luco]

I'm back. Drunk luco was right, sober luco just forgot how he did it for a minute there.

Unless there's a real chance that two of bikes Keith rilla are wolves we should leave them.

[Luco]

Actually it breaks down if we lynch the pussy killer. Without his shot tomorrow night it wouldn't work.

[jyms]

Wuf couldn't be more wrong in his Aubry /jym points. Have you been paying attention? This is just you wanting to make sure you throw everyone in the fire so you can claim you had everybody pegged as they flip wolf. I haven't given up, and certainly if I was a wolf I would find a better way to hide me and a team mate which is still obviously hidden judging by the village and there thoughts the last two days. You thought you were in great shape up until both the village, and pussy killer /vig fucked up big time and we lost 3. Don't get fucking lazy thinking you got this and go into another night phase losing two more.

[aubreymcfate]

Wuf you are so, so wrong lol. It hurts me to read how sure you are because it actually makes me feel a little bad for you.

I still think Jyms is a wolf, or very very likely to be a wolf at least, but I think Luco's observation was, to be honest, pretty devastating.

I don't care if we lynch jyms are gator today, I honestly don't. I will go with where the bandwagon goes. But let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if Luco gets MVP when this is all over.

Look, I don't know if keith, bikes, or rilla has a wolf in there. But I do know that that out of the non-confirmed villagers, they are the hardest for the wolves to deflect suspicion on. And the wolves can't knock them out of the way with noms any time soon because they have to get the confirmed villagers first.

What Gator said at the end of his post yesterday was SO telling, and honestly Wufwugy I'm surprised you didn't take note of this:

This has me concerned tbh because I think we are headed to those three being alive on the last day.

I REALLY hope my theory is wrong here.

Lol, ofc you're concerned about those three being alive on the last day. Because you're a wolf, and that would suck if you were caught with no one you could point a finger to. This is actually really clever - he's trying to make us concerned about it as well, taking care of that pesky KBR problem.

IF one of KBR is a wolf, then it's even more subtle way on his part to get rid of the other two, but not make it look like he's protecting one. That's also something to consider if imsavy and jyms are both villagers.

Also, Rilla's post about gator up there says it all. The ONE person gator actually went hard for was JV, after JV started getting heat.

I remember last game, Gator was up my damn ass because he was so sure I was a wolf. Now he's conveniently retaliating against me only when I realize how much Luco nailed him, lol.

good call on the little nails though - i am a habitual nail chewer :[

[aubreymcfate]

Yet you lynch Gator? I thought Jyms was the guy you were super confident about? You said so much yesterday about how killing Jyms is the right thing to do because he's obvious wolf and will show that you're on the right page (you still didn't bold him), yet after Luco makes a nifty (but not solid) observation about Gator, you hop right on?

You're trying to make it seem like you think Jyms is a wolf but don't want to push it too hard. You're trying to skirt the thin line and get away with it

I couldn't care less if the vig shot Jyms tonight, or if we lynch him today or tomorrow. I'll stand on the mountaintops and sing it for all the world to hear.

[Luco]

Gator, jyms, Savy, Aubrey.

Thoughts on each other please, asap

[Keith]

Actually it breaks down if we lynch the pussy killer. Without his shot tomorrow night it wouldn't work.

this is why i'm going to

lynch GATOR

He is the only person that will ensure 100% that the pussykiller gets another shot off tomorrow.

[jyms]

Good point. I was just typing out a long post about how jkds knows gator isn't the pussy killer since anyone with a wolfy vibe could be a special. Then only realizing how last night went it's a good assumption on his part

[jyms]

Rescind Aubrey, lynch gator

[wufwugy]

I said it was absolutely necessary, I never said it was smart.

With so many confirmed running around the wolves can't choose their noms like normal, can't point the finger like normal, its harsh.

One of RBK as a wolf is possible but leaving them till last is still optimal because they have the strongest cases for villager and we'd have 5 more confirmed roles to work with. We would also have a lot more posts from rilla and Keith by the time we got there (hi bikes), which is why it makes sense for a wolf to move before their cases got any tighter.

I would also like to ask wuf why he has been so dismissive of me this game. I warned you about daven, I told you mmm was nearly always town, and now I'm giving you cold hard numbers as a case against gator.

On the contrary, I think you've made loads of great points this game.

I "didn't listen to you on Daven" because you didn't refute my case against him. My case was very specific, and something about that specificness needed to be shown wrong in order for it to break down. A few hours before Daven was lynched, I found that thing (my first several read-throughs saw Ong's bolding related to the pressure on Daven, but my final one found that his second Daven bold wasn't about protection but flopping around). By that time it was too late though

I didn't vote to lynch MMM. If he was still alive he wouldn't be on my radar. I also had him as wolfy when I had Jyms as villagery due to his 5v3 wagon on Day 1 that looked like the wolves didn't care if it went higher because he was a villager. But I went back over it and found that the mostly likely wolf team was acting in a way that they were trying to get Jyms' wagon down. So with that aside, all the wolfiness Jyms has had this entire game because relevant again. My wolf hunting always includes the process of elimination

Your numbers against Gator are specious. They're accurate, but they're also not particularly relevant. All Gator did was make an observation. If you take that line and move it all the way to him being a wolf, you've jumped some pretty huge gaps. The best move probably would have been to wait it out and see if Gator tried to get one of RBK lynched because then your idea begins to develop merit.

I don't want to be in the business of defending Gator, and the reason I'm trying to make this point is to make a case for Aubrey and Jyms, not against Gator. When I start arguing for other players being villagers, problems happen

BUT, Imsavy fits your demoralized argument just as well. Aubrey is not demoralized.

She's a fighter

You're right about Savy, but my counter to him is that his demoralization happened long ago (before JV was under pressure), and it aligns with how uninterested nub villagers play, not how a wolf who wants to win but doesn't see a path to victory plays. Savy explained himself quite well too when he said he uses the ctrl+f thing to find his name (I'm pretty sure that's what he said). His posting kinda does line up with that

[wufwugy]

The case against Gator due to the JV thing is really sketchy. It's possible, but only if this is final form Gator and JV told him to throw him under the bus, but I seriously doubt JV did that. Even then, I doubt Gator would do it. It would just be nonsensical. JV hadn't been much of a target all game, then he gets three bolds and tells Gator in wolfchat to kill him off? Uh no. Gator's actions on JV did a lot to make him a bigger target, so that means that JV could have been derailed just fine. And we have no reason to believe JV wanted to die. All he did was say he's been busy and doesn't have time for this game like he used to, but he said that because he was a wolf trying to deflect suspicions about him, not because it was true. So he couldn't have said it for that reason as well as an explanation for why he would send Gator after him. Not to mention that if he were to send Gator after him, he wouldn't claim he doesn't have time anymore, and would likely instead attack Gator too. But even then, none of this is JV's or Gator's style, especially JV's

I'm not a fan of Keith's rationale for Gator because the benefit is kinda small if at all. Knowingly making a lynch due to not wanting to hit the vig is bad enough that it could be worse than the benefit we get from keeping the vig alive. Besides, it's not like Aubrey or Jyms are the vig. They're the wolves, the vig is somebody else

[Luco]

I didn't wait it out because I was drunk. But I can move from gator.

BTW Savy is a wolf. Look at days 1 and 2 and see all the times jkds calls him out. Then look at jv and ong completely ignoring it time and again. He's such an easy target and they never take it. Not once.

There's a nice little bit on day 3 where jv says mmm or Savy could be wolfin but he follows it up with a weak little 'are we scaring the noobs' post.

I'll take that bet.

[wufwugy]

I didn't wait it out because I was drunk. But I can move from gator.

BTW Savy is a wolf. Look at days 1 and 2 and see all the times jkds calls him out. Then look at jv and ong completely ignoring it time and again. He's such an easy target and they never take it. Not once.

There's a nice little bit on day 3 where jv says mmm or Savy could be wolfin but he follows it up with a weak little 'are we scaring the noobs' post.

I'll take that bet.

Could be, but it is also lots of coincidence that happens in every game.

It's for reasons like this that we can see both Jyms and Aubrey are wolves. If not, why was it the hardest thing in the world for Aubrey to pull the trigger on Jyms. She's been talking out both sides of her mouth: on the one side how wolfy Jyms is and needs to die, but on the other side not doing anything about it and gladly killing Gator instead. This is what wolfin looks like

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...37#post2162137

[aubreymcfate]

Luco, to briefly answer your question (I have to leave in a bit but I'll be back later - in the mean time I would like to at least get something in):

Gator - I've shied away from gator for most of this game since he's accrued enough WW clout to be able to get away with playing a wolfy game without being immediately suspected. At least, that's how it seems to me. He's one of those people I think "I'll deal with you later unless you really catch my attention now" about.

But your observation made a lot of sense to me when I read it. Maybe I was also in a semi-non sober state of mind because it was so late, but I remember being all like WHOA when I read that. Maybe I'm just easily excitable, haha. I guess it's because I don't know who the last wolf is after imsavy and jyms (unless they both are, which is less likely but would be awesome), and you found a way to make one of the non-confirmed but seemingly off-limits villagers look pretty wolfy.

Jyms - I'd describe his whole game as fishy peppered with instances of genuine frustration. Hasn't really led the village, voices reasonable but easy things to say, has kind of been all over the place, enough to slide by but not enough to really make a strong case for himself.

ImSavy - The thing with ImSavy is he's a noob and obviously isn't feeling the game. The wolves may have decided that he would slide by till end game anyway because of this, and at that point he could be sacrificed and it would be no big deal. And at this point, like Wugy said, they must be demoralized, so maybe that's why it feels like there's even less of him.

Also, if he is a wolf, the whole betting thing could have been a wolf ploy, something to make him look super villagery without requiring him to do too much work. I mean, I doubt they thought anything would seriously come out of that. I don't know, maybe I'm off on that though. I'm a noob to this forum so I can't honestly say for sure how obvious that is.


Will be out for a while. Back later.

[aubreymcfate]

Could be, but it is also lots of coincidence that happens in every game.

It's for reasons like this that we can see both Jyms and Aubrey are wolves. If not, why was it the hardest thing in the world for Aubrey to pull the trigger on Jyms. She's been talking out both sides of her mouth: on the one side how wolfy Jyms is and needs to die, but on the other side not doing anything about it and gladly killing Gator instead. This is what wolfin looks like

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...37#post2162137

Oh for fuck's sake

rescind gator
lynch jyms

Seriously, I don't give a shit what order we kill them in.

[wufwugy]

Posted most likely without seeing my previous post

Jyms - I'd describe his whole game as fishy peppered with instances of genuine frustration. Hasn't really led the village, voices reasonable but easy things to say, has kind of been all over the place, enough to slide by but not enough to really make a strong case for himself.

Then

Oh for fuck's sake

rescind gator
lynch jyms

Seriously, I don't give a shit what order we kill them in.

LOL

Which is it? Wishy washy "fishiness" that is both suspicious and not suspicious, or killlll jymssssssss?

[jyms]

Lol. I come off Aubrey to bold gator and she jumps on again? Protecting your buddy? Keep the wagons alive? Where are all the inactive in this.

[Keith]

yeah, was expecting jkds to have more protects up his sleeve - it's the only way that his day 2 outing made sense. Shame that the wolves hit hoopy instead of wuf on night two...
gotta be looking pretty closely at aubrey and mmm today, among others
and, also,

nah, the wagon was already well underway before gator started chiming in
he was on bikes and happy for him to get nailed until the message from d0zer came in, which seems unlikely for a player who knows the value to the village of days lasting longer
and then when there started to be seem heat on jv (gabe and rilla already had JV bolded) he started scratching for suspicion on jyms/bikes before eventually joining the 'find evidence against jv' crew

Lynch Gator

how do you know for sure you were wrong?
only players who can be 100% that bikes is a villager are the wolves

i'm pretty keen to go with hoopy on this one
aubrey vs jyms
(sub in gator for either of those two)

this one's for you
or, you can note that gator already has a lynch vote and get on his wagon
you choose

rescind gator
lynch jyms

also, as far as i can tell this is how the vig-shooting situation stands at the moment, nominee and our designated targets:

jkds - Ill NOW shoot Gizmo or Gator.
wuf - im shooting mmm or savy
luco - jyms or rilla
daven - keith or bikes

selection of the posts Daven made on his last day alive.Interesting that he was going after Gator hard. He may have died to protect gator ...or to make it seem that the wolves were afraid of Gator.first and third quotes have gator quotes if you follow the links.

[rong]

Don't bold names if you aren't voting to lynch them

[aubreymcfate]

This is not that complicated wufwugy. I know I'm not a wolf. The most likely wolves are savy, Jyms, and gator. I went after Jyms hard yesterday and earlier this day. Then luco had a sick observation and I was swayed. That doesn't mean I don't think Jyms is not wolfy. I didn't miss any of your posts before I posted that either. That's not a wishy washy read on Jyms. I'm on my phone and my cousin is patiently waiting for me to stop being a tool so we can shop so ill have to organize my thoughts later but wufwugy, I promise you this - you are so off in your speculations about my behavior and I really hope someone that isn't me is noticing how tenuous and desperate your arguments are.

[Luco]

On savy:

When eug attacked Savy, ong bolded eug. Savy is never a villager here.

Ong and eug got their roles revealed night 1, so everybody can review the eug attack on Savy for what it is. Not once has this wolfy ong vote been scrutinised. If Savy was town it would have been jumped on by the wolves.

It also explains the stunned silence.

[GatorJH]

Good point. I was just typing out a long post about how jkds knows gator isn't the pussy killer since anyone with a wolfy vibe could be a special. Then only realizing how last night went it's a good assumption on his part

I would really like to hear the explanation of how last nights events mean I can't be the pussy killer.

Sounds to me like someone is fishing to find out who the pussy killer is.

[GatorJH]

For shit's sake people. I think we all agree (with the exception of Aubrey) that Aubrey is a wolf so let's lynch her and when we see she is a wolf it will probably be 100 times easier to find the last one. Easy game.

[wufwugy]

Lol. I come off Aubrey to bold gator and she jumps on again? Protecting your buddy? Keep the wagons alive? Where are all the inactive in this.

Um, actually no. She's never protecting Gator here. She tried lynching him instead of you in the first place.

Jymsie and Aubrey sitting in a tree
kay eye ess ess eye en gee
first comes love, then comes marriage
then comes a wolfy in a wolfy carriage

[a500lbgorilla]

For shit's sake people. I think we all agree (with the exception of Aubrey) that Aubrey is a wolf so let's lynch her and when we see she is a wolf it will probably be 100 times easier to find the last one. Easy game.

... #1228 is my case for why Aubrey should be behind the following must-die targets: Jyms, Gator, ImSavy.

[a500lbgorilla]

Can someone get a vote count up or some sort? Thanks.

[wufwugy]

aub - jyms
jyms - gator
keith - gator
gator - aub
rilla - gator
jkds - savy
wuf - aub

no vote - luco, savy

gator - 3
aub - 2
jyms - 1
savy - 1


lol

[wufwugy]

Rilla, you're right about the wolves acting on the periphery, but you're wrong on who you think is doing that. Savy isn't on the periphery so much as he isn't on anything. He dropped off everything, and his behavior syncs up really well with the ctrl+f explanation. Plus he did want to bet me. It makes next to no sense for him to say those as a wolf yet do next to nothing else. If he is a wolf, it's just an eye-roller and he gets banned from future games since he didn't bother to play

Furthermore, Jyms is always the correct lynch before Savy. This is because the Day 1 action from Ong and JV was in line with trying to derail Jyms' wagon, and just as Jyms was about to drop from being tied, Savy bolds him. Jyms looks far wolfier than Savy, and if he's a wolf it gives credibility to Savy

Gator is not on the periphery. JV was no where close to a goner when Gator attacked him. I keep saying that if Gator is a wolf he has to be in his final form for a reason. This would be a sick ass game if he was, but the facts are that wolves never play sick ass games because they're just too damn hard to pull off.

Aubrey has been on the periphery. Her behavior regarding Jyms and Gator has been very dissonant. Hell, if you think Gator is a wolf because of when he went after JV, it makes Aubrey even wolfier. Her late hop on JV and the meh reasons why is what provoked me to scrutinize her in the first place. You questioned her "constitution" if she was a wolf. I'll just say she's a tough person

[Keith]

I would really like to hear the explanation of how last nights events mean I can't be the pussy killer.

Sounds to me like someone is fishing to find out who the pussy killer is.

really? did you miss the rationale of a couple of pages of posts yesterday?

confirmed villagers were going to shoot

jkds - Ill NOW shoot Gizmo or Gator.
wuf - im shooting mmm or savy
luco - jyms or rilla
daven - keith or bikes

pussy killer chooses one so that it misses him.gizmo died so pussy killer chose JKDS which means that the pussy killer isn't gator. which means there is no point in you outing as the pussy killer to try and save yourself because no one will believe you .

[jyms]

I would really like to hear the explanation of how last nights events mean I can't be the pussy killer.

Sounds to me like someone is fishing to find out who the pussy killer is.

That would have been a good read ontogeny part that jkds would shoot NG instead of you. I'm assuming jkds got the shot because of the NG kill. Jkds has said nothing about it so I doubt it's a rogue shot. We would need to figure out who took that no?

Villager gator knows this, no?

[jyms]

Lol at me always quoting posts at the end of the page with another page to read

[Savy]

I still don't understand how Jyms got away with the "I'm not going to defend myself" defence in his first lot of posts. Has done so many strange things in this thread that I just don't understand the reason for, so unless it's some meta game type thing that makes playing life as a wolf easier there isn't really another explanation for it.

In all fairness though I make the bet against Wug as a villager or as a wolf and I also lose interest as a villager or a wolf. Unless if I was a wolf I'd be getting shouted at in some wolf chat.

Lynch Jyms

[Savy]

And yes that is a post based on nothing bar my original feeling like 20 pages ago.

[Savy]

I'm also much more of a fan of a Jyms or Gator lynch than I am an Aubrey lynch. I don't think Aubrey has done anything particularly wolfy bar explain her opinions slightly poorly sometimes.

[jyms]

I used to think savy was a wolf, but no way he makes end game as one. To come in here after all this time with such an uninspired and useless pile he must be village.

[Savy]

I'm going to keep arguing that I'm playing the perfect meta game till I inevitably get eaten by wolves next night time. Making Gator a wolf 0% of the time if Jyms get lynched.

[jyms]

I'm going to keep arguing that I'm playing the perfect meta game till I inevitably get eaten by wolves next night time. Making Gator a wolf 0% of the time if Jyms get lynched.

Would you like to explain why the wolves would eat you at night? If be interested in hearing that

[Savy]

Would you like to explain why the wolves would eat you at night? If be interested in hearing that

I think my post implies I wouldn't be a good choice to eat, under the assumption that the wolves are you Gator and Aubrey.

[jyms]

How so? Can I have some details on this thought process

[Savy]

Because I'm much more of an easy choice to convince that I'm a wolf than some of the people who are are 100% villagers. Even if someone like Bikes isn't a villager 100% of the time, why would you get rid of me before him?

[Savy]

100% villagers should be written "100% villagers" implying that some of them clearly aren't villagers 100% of the time.

Unless I've missed something.

[jyms]

You said you'd inevitably get eaten by wolves the next night because of your meta game. Why with 3 confirmed villagers and a special still to out would they eat you?

[Savy]

I was joking. That should have been obvious by the "I'm playing a perfect meta game". I even point out in the original post how it'd be a stupid thing to do.

[aubreymcfate]

Aubrey has been on the periphery. Her behavior regarding Jyms and Gator has been very dissonant. Hell, if you think Gator is a wolf because of when he went after JV, it makes Aubrey even wolfier. Her late hop on JV and the meh reasons why is what provoked me to scrutinize her in the first place. You questioned her "constitution" if she was a wolf. I'll just say she's a tough person

My late hop on JV was around the same time as NG. That's not much proof that I'm a wolf just because I jumped on a bandwagon a bit late. I read through the posts made by everyone else, and decided it was a good lynch. What you claim was my "reasoning" was really just extra observations I made since, as I said earlier, I didn't want to be a useless echo. The main reasoning was because I was hopping on what looked like a really solid band wagon.

Also, I NEVER thought Gator was a wolf because of how he went after JV. Never said that.

I believe you are referring to the following exchange:

No, you clearly said if JV is a wolf, then Gator, Jyms, and Rilla are your next most likely wolves. Even if you didnt, how can you think Gator is wolfy if JV flips wolf?

When JKDS said: "how can you think Gator is wolfy if JV flips wolf," what he is essentially asking is: "how can you think Gator is wolfy after the way he orchestrated JV's lynch?"

That's how I took his comment, and THAT's why I said:

Also, who really started going hard after JV. Rilla, or Gator? Who really led that? Rilla hands down had the strongest arguments, and he was the first to actually come down hard starting around post 948, if not earlier.

Also, you're doing the same thing JKDS did that I corrected him on. See below.

Remember when JKDS said:

"No, you clearly said if JV is a wolf, then Gator, Jyms, and Rilla are your next most likely wolves. Even if you didnt, how can you think Gator is wolfy if JV flips wolf?"

And I said:

"I did not clearly state that they were my most likely wolves if JV flipped wolf. I said I can't answer with certainty BUT here's who I wouldn't be surprised about. Don't twist my words."

So here I go again: I cited gator as someone who, at the time, I would be SURPRISED about if he flipped wolf, because, and I quote: "has been kind of quiet, not really directing the village which is odd for a strong player."

That's it. I was asked a direct question and because I did not want to lie and act like I had any solid convictions, I shifted my answer to who would not surprise me. I was transparent about it too, making it a point to note what I was doing:

I honestly cannot answer that with any significant level of certainty. But let me list who wouldn't surprise me, if JV is a wolf:

So you can't say I'm making it up now.

It was not a direct accusation. I never accused Gator of being a wolf, and I certainly never said he was a wolf because of how he went after JV.




I think this is just one of many nuances you're missing in your analysis of me.

[GatorJH]

really? did you miss the rationale of a couple of pages of posts yesterday?

confirmed villagers were going to shoot


pussy killer chooses one so that it misses him.gizmo died so pussy killer chose JKDS which means that the pussy killer isn't gator. which means there is no point in you outing as the pussy killer to try and save yourself because no one will believe you .

You're assuming pussy killer and the shooter followed this model.

[aubreymcfate]

err, I think i misread your post wufwugy when you said: "Hell, if you think Gator is a wolf because of when he went after JV, it makes Aubrey even wolfier." For some reason I thought you were saying I was wolfy because what I said about gator when he went after JV. I guess Rilla thought Gator was wolfy bc of that - I don't remember.

But whatever, the above is my thought process in detail, so hopefully it clears some stuff up.

[wufwugy]

Savy about to pull a BID

[wufwugy]

rescind aubrey lynch jyms

I'm doing this because there are possible reasons that Savy could be Jyms' buddy instead of Aubrey. That exchange is just the dumbest thing I've ever seen, and the wolves made it a point to defend Savy on Day 1. The problem with the Day 1 stuff is that while both Jyms and Aubrey defended him (along with Ong), Savy also went against what Ong and JV were doing with the Daven and Bikes bolds in a counter to the Jyms wagon. But my bottom line is I think Jyms is even wolfier than Aubrey. There is a small possibility that she has inadvertently done every wolfy thing there is, and is hurt by coincidences. There are loads upon loads of those coincidences though. Everything from JV bolding Bikes on Day 2 when Aubrey was under fire for the first time, to Aubrey defending Jyms at the same time that Ong was. Obviously this gets weird if Jyms isn't a wolf, but that's not happening

So everybody get on the Jyms wagon. He's the one person everybody agrees is a wolf

[jyms]

I'm going to bed. Don't wagon me till tomorrow.
Rescind

[wufwugy]

Y'all need to figure out how to fact check me. Seriously. I went over page 25 a million times and didn't see Aubrey bold Jyms. My browser scrolling fucked up or something. Anyways, some of my main points about Aubrey and Jyms being a team hinge on that specific thing (and that sorta thing in general).

As usual, I have to review. I always get it wrong until I get it right

[jyms]

Fuck you just have everyone teaming upright me eh. Probably be teams with gator next, or bikes? Hey, maybe I'm both wolves.

[wufwugy]

The only unconfirmed players I'm 0% on lynching are Bikes and Rilla. If either of them is a wolf, especially if Jyms is a wolf, it's super well-played. Beyond well-played. It basically means that the wolves either purposely put Bikes on the edge and tried to keep him there or that Rilla purposely tried to kill his own team at the worst times. While it's possible for something like the latter to be a strategy, it's super unlikely. So unlikely that it probably only happens like 1% of the time because it's such a hard to win strategy that the other wolves don't want to die for.

Then there's Keith, whom I don't feel like expressing an opinion on. Lucky for me, I won't have to because the final day will never be Wuf Bikes Rilla Keith and somebody else. All I know is I have zero reads on Keith in every game he plays. It's up to you guys to figure him out; I wash my hands of Keith

Which leaves everybody else who will die before the end, so the village wins. Yippie

[aubreymcfate]

Y'all need to figure out how to fact check me. Seriously. I went over page 25 a million times and didn't see Aubrey bold Jyms. My browser scrolling fucked up or something. Anyways, some of my main points about Aubrey and Jyms being a team hinge on that specific thing (and that sorta thing in general).

As usual, I have to review. I always get it wrong until I get it right

pls learn the art of ctrl+f

[wufwugy]

Hey, maybe I'm both wolves.

[wufwugy]

pls learn the art of ctrl+f

[Luco]

Am I talking to myself here?

Savy is a fed

Savy is a wolf

Savy is a bad guy

Savy has to die

Can I make this any more clear? I'll make a bigass wuf post if I have to.

One of Jv's first posts is about leaving the noobs alone for a bit. Why?

Day 1 when eug said he could go for a Savy lynch ong snap bolded eug. Check the timings, it was two minutes later. Ong didn't even have to think about it. Come on guys, if Savy was town ong could weigh his options here but he didn't. Why? Because Savy is a fed ffs!

All the wolves ignore Savy repeatedly. When jv gets called out for being low content he says 'what about mmm' and completely fails to mention Savy again.

Savy has shown zero independent thought. His jyms bold on day 1 was a bunch of echoes and his defense post on day 2 was an echo of a comment that I had made to jkds.

This guy should be dead by now. Don't let him live another day.

[Luco]

Yes I'm shoving my read down your throats. It's for your own good.

After the first game I made a mental note not to lead the charge unless I was pretty certain. I'm not comfortable out the front like this, yet here I am shouting at you all anyway.

I'm not 100% ldo but that ong snap vote stinks enough for me to push this hard. The simple explanation is that ong was defending his buddy and we should have picked it up on day 2, yet here we are on day 5 and to say Savy is a villager is to say the wolves have ignored a super easy out for days.

lynch savy

[Keith]

You're assuming pussy killer and the shooter followed this model.

shooters all indicated that they were going to follow it, so why would the pussykiller risk anyone else doing it in that he could give the bullet to someone who could shoot himself. Its illogical to not follow through with the plan.

savy just didn't make sense in his posts with jyms .Since it was 1am ish on a saturday night it looked like he was drunk. anyway, he has to die because he hasn't shown that he actually has any idea about how to play the game or even that he's even read the thread.

my top three suspects are savy jyms and gator followed by bikes and i'd much rather keep Jyms until tomorrow.Gator ensures that PK survives to shoot tomorrow so i'm staying on him.
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[a500lbgorilla]

lynch ImSavy

[a500lbgorilla]

Not savvy enough to spell it right, though.

[Keith]

updated votes since wuf posted the last one

aub - jyms
jyms -
keith - gator
gator - aub
rilla - savy
jkds - savy
wuf - jyms
savy - jyms
luco - savy

gator - 1
aub - 1
jyms - 3
savy - 3

with Gator on 1 there seems little point point on staying on him and its a case of choosing between Jyms and Savy. I suspect them both , but have already said that i would far rather leave jyms until tomorrow .

lynch savy

[Luco]

MMM dying was no accident. I saw a lot of attention on Aubrey and gizmo at the time and decided to push towards mmm and Savy instead. I had several reasons and I stand by them, so don't be hard on mmm.

With Savy he really got thrown in at the deep end with the ong lookup, so we can't be too hard on him either.

Wuf, come lynch savy with me.

[jyms]

I want to agree with the savy lynch for more than that i think he's a fed. He has to go for the sake of our endgame. If I bold him he's going to be close though.

I am really also believing in the need to get gator because of the pussy killer logic and Savy could just be dead quiet trying to survive and protect the role. Anyone wolfy without some strong ties could be the same. Aubry and rilla fit into this role as well

[jyms]

Fuck if it comes down to it, and I ahve to pic between bikes and gator or bikes ad savy I am screwed. I think we need to start thinking end game soon.

[aubreymcfate]

Yeah whatever, I'm down with a savy lynch today. lezdoit.

rescind jyms

lynch imsavy

[rong]

Vote count update

Savy: 5 (Aubrey, JKDS, Keith, Luco, Rilla)
Jyms: 2 (Wuf, Savy)
Aubrey: 1 (Gator)

Approx 4 hrs left.

[Savy]

Jyms pulls off another fantastic "don't lynch me til tomorrow so I can jump on the next wagon" post.

[wufwugy]

Something is horribly off this game. I can't quite put my finger on it

JV died way too easily. Way too fucking easily. I think the wolves realized that because of all the confirmed specials, they had to make a whack move to win. The numbers do not work that well for 3 wolves against 4 villagers, 2-3 of which would be confirmed specials. Even if that isn't the motivation, JV still died way too easily. He had to know it was coming.

So far people think this implicates Gator, but I don't think it does. I think it implicates Rilla. Gotta keep in mind that Rilla didn't make all his posts about JV until after I bolded him then Rilla also bolded him. And the way he did it was really odd because he just went over a lots of different players, Jyms, Luco included, but that was supposed to be how he demonstrated JV was such a wolf. Gator OTOH went through JV's posts and made lots of good points then bolded him at the end.

Alone, these aren't entirely telling, but what I like the least is that Rilla tried to kill Gator today. He didn't make much any case for him, just said "he's on the outside", but he isn't any moreso than Rilla himself. Luco's observation about RBK applies to Rilla too, it would be called BKG. It just really bugs me that Rilla has said how wolfy Jyms is this entire game but didn't go after him today even though I railed hard into the Jyms/Aubrey team. Furthermore, everything Rilla said today about who the targets should be didn't include Gator, but he still tried to kill Gator. He completely brushed off what I've said about Aubrey. I can't believe how hard it has been to kill her. I think the reason Rilla brushed her off is because he needs her alive in order to manipulate her. Gator OTOH needs to die in order for Rilla to win

Savy won't show up wolf, but looks like he's the lynch today. I think the wolf team is Rilla/Jyms and maybe Rilla/Keith. Something about this game is not right, and I think it's that the wolves killed JV on purpose and Rilla knew from the beginning he was going to target the wolves without actually targeting them.

All in all, it's Rilla's behavior today that does it. If he's a villager, I don't think he ever bolds Gator the way he did. He completely ignored every point I had even though he has loved a Jyms lynch the entire game

lynch rilla

I'm sure it won't happen today, but you guys need to give it a strong look tomorrow. I should probably keep my mouth shut about it, but I keep getting surprised that I'm not nom'd with each passing night.

[JKDS]

Wuf, no.

[rong]

Day's over. No more posting.

[JKDS]

Fuck sorry rong. I didnt refresh

[rong]

The village turned on it's newest member. Due to being new he hadn't let fly with accusations the way others had. This was initially to avoid suspicion himself, but that backfired badly.

They hung him in the same spot they found MMM. They hadn't taken the rope down so it was quick and easy to do.

Imsavy, a regular gang member, is dead.

It's night 5:


The livng

Gator
Wuf
Aubrey
JKDS
Jyms
Bikes
Keith
Luco
The Rilla


the dead

Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.
Night 2: Ongbonga, a Fed, was killed by the Vig.
Night 2: Hoopy, the connected gang member, was killed by the feds.
NIght 2: Daven, was revived.
Day 3: JV, a Fed, was lynched by the village.
Night 3: Gabe, a regular village, was killed by the Feds.
Night 3: wolves Vig shot thwarted by angel
Day 4: MMM, a regular gang member, was modkilled for self lynching.
Night 4: NightGizmo, a regular gang member, was killed by the Vig.
Night 4: daven, a regular gang member, was killed by the feds.
Day 5: ImSavy, a regular gang member, was lynched by the village.


Night 5 will last approx 24 hrs.

[rong]

Wolves nommed luco.

Luco, the reviver, is dead.

It's day 6.

The living:

Gator
Wuf
Aubrey
JKDS
Jyms
Bikes
Keith
The Rilla



8 left, 5 to lynch.