Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[aubreymcfate]

Nope. This is my third game ever. giiiiirl, you need to read my posts more carefully. I stated earlier in the game that not only is this my third game ever, but I had no idea wtf it was until just before my first game.

Actually that's irrelevant 'cause I still could have been a wolf. I guess when you're a noob and you get villager the first three times it almost feels natural, like you're not likely to get wolf unless you've played like 6-7 games. But obviously that's not how probability works, I'm just being dumb.

[aubreymcfate]

wait
wat is going on

is rilla a wolf?




wat.

[a500lbgorilla]

girrrrrl, you need to read the thread more carefully.

[wufwugy]

Sure.

JKDS's plan seems pretty foolproof, so I've stopped caring as much if I get lynched.

I do, however, think we should emphasize the importance of not waiting for the three of us to get lynched before analyzing KBR, if it comes to that. I'm not entirely sure I understand the value of establishing a sequence of players we're going to lynch, and then treating it like it's set in stone.

I think after tonight's events, in which we'll have two reveals and a loooooot more information to go on, we should reevaluate each other, the game, and pretty much everything we ever knew about life. Seriously though, we need to take a breather and reread everything because, again, if we get up to KBR and then you guys have to scramble trying to figure shit out at that point... I dunno, it seems like it will be really easy for the last wolf in there to fool the rest of the village.

It's likely that even after reevaluating we'll want to go ahead with the same plan, which is great, and at least we'll know we thought about it instead of just going on autopilot. I don't like the idea that wolves can be sneaky in the beginning of the game and not get scrutinized till the very end. We should bring our optimal game at every single opportunity, at every single new piece of information, even if it's just a post. I don't really know what the point of playing is if we're not going to be militant about it.

Also, regarding me, 'cause I love talking about myself: Overall I think the accusations against me have been nonsensical. The only substantial piece of evidence against me is me nailing JV's wagon, and there's no way for me to conclusively defend myself against bad timing. I wish I knew how one, as a villager, might attain that holy "confirmed" status 'cause I'm going to feel really bad if we lose 'cause you guys had to lynch me and then fuck up on KBR.

You're right that things have to be constantly reexamined. Every Day is a new Day.

As to your question about the sequence of players to lynch, a necessary strategy villages use is process of elimination. It works because each lynch is based on highest probability of being a wolf, and it can be used to "win by the numbers" by confirming enough villagers that the wolves can't compete.

Also, I understand that the points against you seem nonsensical, but I'll point out that they were standard points. For example, saying you're going to write up something about one player, but not doing it, is a thing wolves like to do. Also calling one person a preferred lynch but not lynching him.

All in all, the way to find out who's who is to attack them and see how things fall

[aubreymcfate]

Nah I did. wuf's "You almost got away with it" threw me off but nvm, that would be phenomenally retarded if you actually just outed as a wolf so let's pretend I didn't show my dumb just now.

[aubreymcfate]

Also, I understand that the points against you seem nonsensical, but I'll point out that they were standard points. For example, saying you're going to write up something about one player, but not doing it, is a thing wolves like to do. Also calling one person a preferred lynch but not lynching him.

Fair enough. Again, the thing with jyms was me realizing that I had nothing new to say and while I do put effort into this game, I'm not about to start writing shit just for the sake of it. It's my summer, and I already took a summer class. None of that shit for me, no thankz. But yeah, I'll make sure to think that through more carefully next time.

Also, who did I call a preferred lynch and then not lynch them? If you mean when I went for jyms and then switched to gator after luco's observation, I went back to jyms just to prove that I didn't care who we lynched first.



I'm going running now with my brother so I'll be back a bit later.

[jyms]

wait
wat is going on

is rilla a wolf?




wat.

I almost did this same thing. I was reading JKDS's plan for the next few nights to try and understand what was the end game ideas because if I need to volunteer myself to clear some of the clouds then I might lay down, and then that Rilla post threw me off. Either Aubrey is now much more town than I thought or really leveled me well.

[JKDS]

TBF, my plan doesnt rely on {G, A, J} dying. However, if they arent dead when we get to 2 confirmed vs 3 unknowns though, we're fucked.

[jyms]

@Jkds would innit be better that I volunteer to take the vig bullet by either you or wuf if one of gator or Aubrey is the vig.
If one of those two are the vig they could out now give us 3 confirmed and we lynch the other knowing that the bullet is for me. This clears the group of a wolf and opens the debate that there is one left in rilla, Keith and bikes

[jyms]

And they shouldn't out till we are sure this is the right play

[a500lbgorilla]

@Jkds would innit be better that I volunteer to take the vig bullet by either you or wuf if one of gator or Aubrey is the vig.
If one of those two are the vig they could out now give us 3 confirmed and we lynch the other knowing that the bullet is for me. This clears the group of a wolf and opens the debate that there is one left in rilla, Keith and bikes

You mean take the lynch? If wuf and JKDS telegraph opposite targets, the vig can be assured of some safety.

[Keith]

Gator can never be the PK anyway as the unkilled safe shot from last pussy killer shot

[jyms]

Ok, we seriously need to get a fed here, and I think I need you guys to refocus your efforts. It's stupid I think to keep you guys out of the loop because it no longer matters.

post #739 after I gave gabe the first shot I tried to clue gabe into it was me that gave him the shot thinking he would keep it down low to look for the vig clues

Interesting gamble. Good to know gabe is town.

Glad Wuf didn't get the shot either, I'm not sure he would have killed ong and we would be looking at gabe on the wrong end of the gun

But he outted right away after in post #751

yay im a confirmed villager

also got to be the vig last night. it was awesome. it was so unexpected i didnt check my pms and hadnt looked at my email until i was on super tilt from the game not starting back. and lo and behold i got to shoot

Guys, I am the pussy killer, you need to focus on gator or aubrey tonight

[GatorJH]

I wasn't planning on moving from Aubrey so I am ok with that. It also explains why you seemed so wolfish this entire game.

[GatorJH]

On the other hand could this be a fake out knowing they need to target the PK for a night kill before he gets another bullet? If, for some reason, Jyms isn't the real PK then that person should naturally NOT out.

[jyms]

I was nowhere near a lynch and no need to fake out. I have looked over JKDS's post and outing today is not a bad idea since the vig shot comes before the night kill. Either way I am dead.

I can also tell you, for the same reason you are not the pussy killer I was going to actually give luco the shot. I thought about it as a great hiding strat but he was on me more just before night 4 and I think he would have shot me over rilla. I really thought JKDS would have shot you. An d I don't trust Wuf to stick to the plan. Sad but true.

[GatorJH]

Yeah, I do think you are the true PK, but felt like I had to point that out just in case.

[GatorJH]

Actually this outing has one pretty big negative effect. If we lynch Aubrey and shoot me tonight you are going to see that we are, hopefully, down one Fed (Aubrey, ldo) and one villager (me,ldo). If it goes villager/villager then village is in pretty bad shape imo so let's assume it doesn't.

Feds will take out Jyms tonight leaving JKDS and Wuf as confirmed.

Tomorrow flip a coin between Rilla, Keith and Bikes. If we wif on a Fed then the remaining Fed probably noms Wuf (assuming JKDS protects himself). This leaves JKDS to figure out the remaining Fed between the two remaining players. Not fun for JKDS.

JKDS/Wuf/Jyms, with that said I will take a pass at my thoughts on those remaining three if you want me to as it may help if it gets that far. I won't be able to do it until later this evening but will get it out before day ends. The only reason I wouldn't is if you would rather have your own analysis to lean on (which tbh I usually prefer to do) instead of someone else's thoughts that could be way off base. Just let me know.

[aubreymcfate]

I'm confused by your outing jyms, mainly 'cause you said you weren't going to get lynched today, except there's a really good chance that you totally were? I tried deciding whether it would benefit the wolves and I figure ultimately it wouldn't, because what would happen is jyms would still be around tomorrow, and not only would he be lynched 'cause he wasn't nommed, but one of KBR would out as PK, making it easier to spot the wolf in there. And that's assuming gator is jyms's fellow wolf. If he's not, that would be even worse if one of KBR outed.

does that even make sense? I don't know. I'm thinking aloud.

I believe that jyms is the PK. It also explains his fishy behavior and my earlier reads that he was genuinely frustrated/confused.

I still think gator is the next most likely wolf. It is possible that two of KBR are wolves. If this is the case, my money is on BR.

If gator is the wolf like I think he is, then it's likely that the final wolf is one of Rilla or Bikes.

Bikes and gator have barely communicated this whole game. If the wolves get to win like this yet again (and yeah it's not like I've been around for a million games to say this happens all the time, but I sure do see people complain about wolves sliding by and winning a lot around here, so it must happen often enough), then I don't know. GG for manipulating an overly predictable village?

Also, Keith is, to put it simply, a mystifying entity, and I have zero idea how to read him. Until I see wolfkeith, I truly don't know. I think this is villager keith though because again, he hasn't changed since the last time. I also have a feeling that he'd be really obvious as a wolf, but I don't know.

[aubreymcfate]

An d I don't trust Wuf to stick to the plan. Sad but true.

lol wuf, you're such a troublemaker.

[jyms]

My outing is because instead of waiting for a wagon to start on me and having to out at the last minute I thought since people are wolf hunting this thread, why not let them read through it without my name in the mix of "possibles" It may bring some clarity, and right now we need some clarity.

[aubreymcfate]

That makes sense.

[JKDS]

Counter claims anyone?

[jyms]

Yes, please do.

[aubreymcfate]

Counter claims anyone?

If, for some reason, Jyms isn't the real PK then that person should naturally NOT out.

Interesting.

[GatorJH]

Yes, please do.

Actually if Jyms isn't the Vig maybe the Vig should out and here is why. Let's say Rilla outs as Vig. We setup tonight for Wuf to Shoot Jyms and JKDS to shoot Rilla. Problem solved.

Btw, that is exactly why I think Jyms is for real because the two remaining Feds have to be pretty good and most likely would have come up with the same conclusion.

[jyms]

Ya, I don't think gator is right. Outing is the play here. IF aubrey and gator are not wolves then it could be a problem. If one is then we are in pretty good shape,

[jyms]

Outing before there is a full on bandwagon is the right play here. I think because I still get to give the shot we can take some time and discuss our play without the deadline looming and the fear of a fake outing. Everyone needs to post so it doesn't look like someone still may not have seen the outing. Then we know and can move forward

I see no reason at this time that a fake outing would be a good strat

[GatorJH]

Ya, I don't think gator is right. Outing is the play here. IF aubrey and gator are not wolves then it could be a problem. If one is then we are in pretty good shape,

See my post above this one where I do an about face after thinking it through.

[bikes]

real PK should never out here. i wanna lynch you now because of how dumb this is -.-

[bikes]

where the hell is the order of operations for the night i cant find it anywhere in the thread but i know its in here

[bikes]

meh w/e thought wolves kill first then vig shot. some reason its different this game

[jyms]

YEa I did too, but JKDS saying that it's only barely wrong to out now over tomorrow and that we still get the shot made me go back and look. It's at teh bottom of the post with the special roles. Tell me why it's a bad outing?

[Keith]

That would have been a good read ontogeny part that jkds would shoot NG instead of you. I'm assuming jkds got the shot because of the NG kill. Jkds has said nothing about it so I doubt it's a rogue shot. We would need to figure out who took that no?

Villager gator knows this, no?

This was one of the posts that i noticed yesterday , Jyms was trying to provoke discussion of the reasoning behind the shot.

I'm going to bed. Don't wagon me till tomorrow.
Rescind

Another post not long after post wise. STruck me as polarising his range to wolf/PK. villager never sticks in a don't wagon me cos i'm going to bed. Only peole who do that are people with a vested interest in staying alive ...i.e wolves and specials.

shooters all indicated that they were going to follow it, so why would the pussykiller risk anyone else doing it in that he could give the bullet to someone who could shoot himself. Its illogical to not follow through with the plan.

savy just didn't make sense in his posts with jyms .Since it was 1am ish on a saturday night it looked like he was drunk. anyway, he has to die because he hasn't shown that he actually has any idea about how to play the game or even that he's even read the thread.

my top three suspects are savy jyms and gator followed by bikes and i'd much rather keep Jyms until tomorrow.Gator ensures that PK survives to shoot tomorrow so i'm staying on him.
.

JYms posts i quoted are ythe reason for leaving him alive yesterday and keeping him til today.I wasn't gonna say its because i thought he could be the PK for obvious reasons but i expected that he may out/fake out.

Fuck if it comes down to it, and I ahve to pic between bikes and gator or bikes ad savy I am screwed. I think we need to start thinking end game soon.

Again why would Jyms have to pick between bikes and gator or bikes and savy is if he gets to be a confirmed villager and only way that happens is if he is the PK.

@Jkds would innit be better that I volunteer to take the vig bullet by either you or wuf if one of gator or Aubrey is the vig.
If one of those two are the vig they could out now give us 3 confirmed and we lynch the other knowing that the bullet is for me. This clears the group of a wolf and opens the debate that there is one left in rilla, Keith and bikes

AGain this was a strange post for JYms to make. GAtor can never be the Vig and how could he know guess that aubrey isn't. It helps if he is the PK as aubrey is never then the PK so jyms doesnt get shot. only way to do that though is show that aubrey isnt the PK.

And they shouldn't out till we are sure this is the right play

Ok, we seriously need to get a fed here, and I think I need you guys to refocus your efforts. It's stupid I think to keep you guys out of the loop because it no longer matters.

post #739 after I gave gabe the first shot I tried to clue gabe into it was me that gave him the shot thinking he would keep it down low to look for the vig clues



But he outted right away after in post #751


Guys, I am the pussy killer, you need to focus on gator or aubrey tonight

so JYms outs. he may be or he may not be.

Outing before there is a full on bandwagon is the right play here. I think because I still get to give the shot we can take some time and discuss our play without the deadline looming and the fear of a fake outing. Everyone needs to post so it doesn't look like someone still may not have seen the outing. Then we know and can move forward

I see no reason at this time that a fake outing would be a good strat

This can be a fake outing . If there is a real PK don't out ,JKDS shoot jyms wuf shoot aubrey and we know the truth . if jyms isnt the PK he may squeeze another shot in by staying hidden an extra day.

Actually if Jyms isn't the Vig maybe the Vig should out and here is why. Let's say Rilla outs as Vig. We setup tonight for Wuf to Shoot Jyms and JKDS to shoot Rilla. Problem solved.

Btw, that is exactly why I think Jyms is for real because the two remaining Feds have to be pretty good and most likely would have come up with the same conclusion.

some ropey logic here Gator...... the vig doesnt have to out if they are not jyms. In your scenario the PK would just choose wuf to kill jyms. Village Gator wouldn't make that mistake...this could be a ruse to out the PK by a jyms gator team.

[GatorJH]

Actually Keith, wolf Gator wouldn't make that mistake. Nice catch as it didn't hit me that real PK wouldn't have to out to make the plan work.

[GatorJH]

Another reason why Jums outing as PK makes sense. If Vig shoots tonight and misses we are down to 5 tomorrow. That means the next time a bullet is available there would be 3 players left. Who takes a hot then? Nobody. Villager Keith should know this.

[JKDS]

K, I'm shooting bikes or gator.

Jyms is obv for real, a counterclaim is just a free wolf lol.

Wuf, shoot aubrey rilla or keith.

Lynch gator

[a500lbgorilla]

Knew it. So obvious.

I have a hard time believing aubrey is a wolf. I have an easy time believing Gator is a wolf.

I have an awkward time believing bikes is a wolf. Keith worries me. He's kept up a hyper low profile after putting together a string of real solid posts that made the game more difficult for the wolves, but he only generates new information on the pussy-killer and that's about it. In my mind, none of Aubrey/Jyms/Gator had as much right to the claim as Keith and he was positioning himself as if to reveal himself as a confirmed villager.

At this point, I can pretty much lay it out there that I'm on Gator full stop. I'd campaign for him, but I don't think many people are in the mood to be swayed by me.

[Keith]

NOOOOOOOOOO

one of you has to shoot jyms and the other can choose any of the rest of us, just in case jyms isn't the PK. IF jyms is the pk he lives til tomorrow, but a counterclaim from a real PK tomorrow leaves us deep in the shit. The PK sorts out the truth of jyms claim tonight with the shot.

[jyms]

Absolutely right keith. I have to be put up to be shot too. We need a lynch, and two shots, one that includes me who is an obvious wolf if I am fake outing.

[a500lbgorilla]

Give jyms the bullet. He seems trustworthy.

[a500lbgorilla]

Actually Keith, wolf Gator wouldn't make that mistake. Nice catch as it didn't hit me that real PK wouldn't have to out to make the plan work.

This man is so smooth. Your suspicions are but the suspicions of ants to him.

[a500lbgorilla]

Keith, will you read bikes for me and tell me what's up?

[aubreymcfate]

If jyms isn't the PK, why doesn't the real PK just out now?

They still get a shot tonight, we don't have a shot tomorrow, and if jyms is the real PK he's dead tonight, tomorrow the latest anyway.

splain it to me plz

[JKDS]

You're right, I forgot about end game where its possible to win by vig shot in a 1v2 scenario.

I will shoot Gator, Bikes, or Aubrey.
Wuf shoots Jyms.

[aubreymcfate]

eh whatever, that works too.

lynch gator

Rilla, you better not be a wolf manipulating me like wuf said. I'll be pretty pissed. >:O

[a500lbgorilla]

Wuf said a lot of things. Like a lot. But we still have like 24 hrs, so stop lynching things.

[aubreymcfate]

don't tell me what I can't do!!!! (john locke gif up in here? but I've been a bit gif-happy lately so nah)




Oh fine.

rescind gator

There you go manipulating me again.

[jyms]

Ya rilla is right, half the reason I outed today was to give us some time to look at other options and maybe gain some info while trying to solve this day. May as well try and use it.

For now we need two shooters and two targets, one being me. No renegade shots. We need to look at how to get through the days after and who is also fed. No way does aubrey and gator both come up fed

[a500lbgorilla]

jyms, you gotta find a wolf in rilla/keith/bikes before you go.

Really, everyone does. So have at it.

[bikes]

personally i think i am a horrible person to shoot but thats me. i can get behind a gator lynch

[Keith]

If jyms isn't the PK, why doesn't the real PK just out now?

They still get a shot tonight, we don't have a shot tomorrow, and if jyms is the real PK he's dead tonight, tomorrow the latest anyway.

splain it to me plz

wolves have to dice with JKDS today or tomorrow...we and they don;t know how many saves he has left. wolves may delay it to make sure he doesn't have a save.an extra known villager will just make it more likely that jkds is out of saves when they try and hit him.
ALso with just jkds and wuf ....wolves have to take on a jkds save with 50% chance of a save tonight, they have to eat a known, they can't afford to eat a villager and leave two knowns and a vig else they lose when vig reveals. Blocking a wolf kill really helps the village , a known PK( if jyms is a wolf) takes that down to a 1 in 3 chance of wolves being blocked.

[wufwugy]

out is fake. real vig just remain quiet

lynch rilla

[wufwugy]

Knew it. So obvious.

I have a hard time believing aubrey is a wolf. I have an easy time believing Gator is a wolf.

I have an awkward time believing bikes is a wolf. Keith worries me. He's kept up a hyper low profile after putting together a string of real solid posts that made the game more difficult for the wolves, but he only generates new information on the pussy-killer and that's about it. In my mind, none of Aubrey/Jyms/Gator had as much right to the claim as Keith and he was positioning himself as if to reveal himself as a confirmed villager.

At this point, I can pretty much lay it out there that I'm on Gator full stop. I'd campaign for him, but I don't think many people are in the mood to be swayed by me.

there are a couple ways to tell this is a fake out, but this is the one I will point out

If Rilla "knew it" he would have told us that the reason he refused to attack Jyms is he thought he was the vig. That was a consideration I had about Rilla's behavior

No need to point out the other reasons since this will be solved tonight

[wufwugy]

@real vig, send me the bullet if you want jyms dead. send jkds the bullet if you want somebody else dead

[wufwugy]

Wuf said a lot of things. Like a lot. But we still have like 24 hrs, so stop lynching things.

You've said this a million times. Every single game day, you say it like twice. It's you masquerading as a villager because you have nothing substantive to say about who's a wolf

[wufwugy]

Message for everybody not named Rilla or Jyms

Go back to page 26 and you'll find five different players bolded Gator. His wagon only got to 4, however, because one of them had rescinded during the wagon. Two players not on his wagon were confirmed specials: JKDS and me. Ask yourself if Gator is ever a wolf, or is instead being railroaded. Not to mention that the other confirmed villager on his wagon (Luco) was only on it due to the RBK thing, but at the time he didn't see that RBK also meant RKG and RBG

The wolves cannot win without killing Gator. They know it and we know it. The confirmed villagers have not been that into killing Gator, while unconfirmed players have been. That shows that those trying to kill Gator are likely wolves

[wufwugy]

And the fact that Gator got 5 different players bolded on him on one page shows that he's super unlikely wolf

[GatorJH]

Knew it. So obvious.

Seriously rilla? What happened to "I don't know what I will do if Jyms isn't a Fed"?.

You are soooo the second Fed that it isn't funny.

[GatorJH]

And the fact that Gator got 5 different players bolded on him on one page shows that he's super unlikely wolf

This.

Good luck village.

PS - Please shoot Aubrey tonight.

[GatorJH]

Give jyms the bullet. He seems trustworthy.

Ummmm, Jyms can't give Jyms the bullet. Fed not paying attention?

[GatorJH]

Keith, will you read bikes for me and tell me what's up?

Can someone put some suspicions out there that I can agree with?

I've had enough of this crap. rescind Aubrey, lynch rilla

[GatorJH]

eh whatever, that works too.

lynch gator

Rilla, you better not be a wolf manipulating me like wuf said. I'll be pretty pissed. >:O

Hey wolf buddy, let's wrap up this Gator lynch.

[wufwugy]

Hey wolf buddy, let's wrap up this Gator lynch.

FWIW I think this is standard Aubrey style. Leading wagons instead of piggybacking is something she'll have to learn with more games

[a500lbgorilla]

lol, the first line was sarcasm. Even later in the post I spoke about how I didn't think their was a credible vig claim among aubrey/jyms/gator.

[a500lbgorilla]

Ummmm, Jyms can't give Jyms the bullet. Fed not paying attention?

Hahaha. Yeah, man.

If anyone's curious about Gator, he is in full on reach mode.

[wufwugy]

lol, the first line was sarcasm. Even later in the post I spoke about how I didn't think their was a credible vig claim among aubrey/jyms/gator.

As I went over your posts yesterday while confirming my position, I noticed you explicitly said at least once that one reason you have been reluctant on Jyms was that he strikes you as either wolf or special. You said that like over a week ago IIRC. It's for this and another reason we know you're full of shit.

1) you don't seem to remember you thought that, and 2) there is no reason for you to worry about Jyms being a possible special after Luco outed and we came to the current game day because there was only one special role left and the vig could get his bullet off. So if you truly believed Jyms was wolfy and/or special like you claimed a million times, you would have attacked him today because the risk of him being special is nothing compared to risk of him being wolf and being left alone. But you refused to attack him even though you said he's a wolf a million times, and you refused to consider that the possible "special" explanation was voided

Rilla is a really smart player. As a villager, you wouldn't forget things like how you "thought" Jyms was a special and that's why you didn't attack him. It's also why you threw JV under the bus and you and Jyms discussed your final strategy overnight after you couldn't counter my blasting. Then Jyms woke up and completely changed his tune about the vig

[wufwugy]

I meant to post this like ten minutes ago but forgot I had it up

My outing is because instead of waiting for a wagon to start on me and having to out at the last minute I thought since people are wolf hunting this thread, why not let them read through it without my name in the mix of "possibles" It may bring some clarity, and right now we need some clarity.

Outing before there is a full on bandwagon is the right play here. I think because I still get to give the shot we can take some time and discuss our play without the deadline looming and the fear of a fake outing. Everyone needs to post so it doesn't look like someone still may not have seen the outing. Then we know and can move forward

I see no reason at this time that a fake outing would be a good strat

Like I pointed out, more people have been wanting to kill Gator than you, so your rationale doesn't work. And this fake out is the best way forward since you and Rilla are crushed by me.


Nope. Most of the village already thought Gator was a better target than you. If you're the real vig, you never out for this reason.

Also it's not a coincidence that your last post last night was about what the vig should do, then this morning you outed. You and Rilla spent all that time thinking about what to do, and if you were in fact the vig and had put in the thought that switched from trying to remain hidden to outing, you would have more opinions about who's who. The decision for a real vig to out takes a lot of thought, but apparently you don't have any thought about who the wolves are

[a500lbgorilla]

Yeah, a week ago I laid back on him late in the day, when the wolves didn't get him that night, I pressed on the next day.

Wuf, don't try to read my thoughts, they're a vacuum to you that you're filling with whatever justifies your hunch that I'm the last master wolf.

[wufwugy]

Yeah, a week ago I laid back on him late in the day, when the wolves didn't get him that night, I pressed on the next day.

I fail to see the relevance

Wuf, don't try to read my thoughts, they're a vacuum to you that you're filling with whatever justifies your hunch that I'm the last master wolf.

Oh you mean like you're doing with Gator? I have yet to see you make a case for him other than "he attacked JV a lot a little too late, he's hard to read, and he's playing 'on the fringe'". Village Rilla has much better cases than these. Magically, you forgot that Jyms was the one who hopped on JV, and Gator never hopped on but instead attacked him with multiple logistical points instead of just the same general one you repeated five times. Funny how that happened

[a500lbgorilla]

I like how I have so much activity, genuine thought, and activity in this thread that you can go back a week and find meaningful stuff that I've been putting out there. Try the same with Gator.

I also like that combing through all of my work, you can find maybe 20% of it as wolfy on a straightforward read-through. Instead of applying Occam's Razor and weighing it against the other 80%, you use that 20 to color the other 80 as level 2 plus wolf mastery.

One of the reasons I was able to step back from Jyms was because I know I do this myself. (I made a post about pulling back from him for fear tripping into reading everything he does as wolfy, a part of me still thinks he's being wolfy which is why I want him to hunt through the remaining pack). This is a lesson you have yet learned yourself, wuf.

I know there's nothing I can say to get you off my case, but trust that when the game is through, I have lined up some choice gifs to rub it in your face.

P.S. if you ever want to understand what level I'm on, go back and read the case I made against JV and Jyms. I burned some trusted-tried-and-true secrets trying to get the village to move in a more positive direction. (And that post I made about seeing myself as a struggling wolf in one of JVs posts. You just can't fake that shit.)

[a500lbgorilla]

I fail to see the relevance

Oh you mean like you're doing with Gator? I have yet to see you make a case for him other than "he attacked JV a lot a little too late, he's hard to read, and he's playing 'on the fringe'". Village Rilla has much better cases than these. Magically, you forgot that Jyms was the one who hopped on JV, and Gator never hopped on but instead attacked him with multiple logistical points instead of just the same general one you repeated five times. Funny how that happened

Look at day 1/2 me versus him. Day 3 I was out in front pushing JV, he was following in my wake trying to show up with some work. Look at the work he's putting in today - there is none. Look at how I'm still pressing everyone looking for the wolf, which if it aint aubrey, is someone.

In the wise words of my 4th grade math teacher, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." I can't make you see what you refuse to see, wuf.

[wufwugy]

I'll be out for a while but want to say before I go that if Jyms isn't a wolf, you can guarantee the wolves would have put loads of pressure on him. These are the guys who found fucking Hoopy-seer. They know how to find specials, and Jyms was playing so weird that they would have at least tried to get him lynched. The fact that Jyms has been skating by without any pressure from wolves shows that he's not a special

[GatorJH]

wuf, although I agree with you about rilla, you are wrong about Jyms. Jyms outing as Vig doesn't help anyone else today and he would die tonight for sure if he is fake. It's not like he is trying to take heat away from someone else. The only way that makes sense is if he and I were both Feds and he thought I would be better at end game, but that doesn't fly because taking the heat off of him put it squarely on me.

And I can't imagine he would commit Fed suicide if he and Aubrey were both Feds. He would let her do that imo.

[GatorJH]

I'll be out for a while but want to say before I go that if Jyms isn't a wolf, you can guarantee the wolves would have put loads of pressure on him. These are the guys who found fucking Hoopy-seer. They know how to find specials, and Jyms was playing so weird that they would have at least tried to get him lynched. The fact that Jyms has been skating by without any pressure from wolves shows that he's not a special

He has had plenty of pressure from Aubrey.