Turn barrel seemed spewy

[MadMojoMonkey]

Villain is unknown.

You may be in over your head if you say this at 25NL. Even if you're beating the stake, you will definitely improve if you start spending some study time thinking about how to put reads on Villains more quickly.

No Villain is unknown. Stack sizes, if nothing else, should tell you something, even on your first hand. If you used any kind of table selection, then you can make "in the dark" reads about the whole table as "fishy" or whatever.

It doesn't say you posted a dead blind, and your sizing indicated that there was just the SB + BB dead on the table. So this is not your first hand at this table. I don't think any sites let you play your first hand at the table from the BTN, so this isn't Villain's 1st hand, either.

You should be able to give us something.


Anyway, in a vacuum, I agree with Savy.

[BorisTheSpider]

No Villain is unknown. Stack sizes, if nothing else, should tell you something, even on your first hand. If you used any kind of table selection, then you can make "in the dark" reads about the whole table as "fishy" or whatever.

Respectfully, I think you're somewhat mistaken here - I am not sure if I might have seen villain fold a couple of hands, I can't remember, when I posted the hand I did it from a marked history in HEM so I don't remember exactly what happened the previous few hands, but this was zoom anyway when (if I recall correctly) you can be in any position on your first hand of the orbit, also because it was zoom there was no "table selection" as such, and his stack size in this case didn't really mean much - he could be a reg who just picked up some small pot, or a fish who doubled through a while back.

I am all for making reads based on things other than stats, and actually believe that mostly the reads you have from non-stats sources are the strongest ones, but in this case I really do believe he qualified as a total unknown.

As far as Savy's post goes, I'm all for different opinions, and it's arguable to fold it pre, but given the analysis in my OP I can't see how we b/f river with his sizing.

[MadMojoMonkey]

this was zoom

'nuff said. Much respect.

I'd fold pre, 'cause T9s is not in my HJ range when playing against unknowns.

I'd actually b/f OTF, if I did open PRE, 'cause I don't think there's enough random spaz that Villain raises on a paired flop to justify a b/c, but maybe Jx and offsuit Ax will fold and make a profitable bluff.

I'd c/f OTT, 'cause I think there are only 3 clean outs at best.

I'd c/f OTR, 'cause calling w/ a straight on a paired board with a 3 flush seems terrible. I can see the merits in a b/f if the bet sizing effectively blocks a larger bet from a wide portion of Villain's range, some of which Hero beats.