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    Default Blind defence - flop texture analysis

    Context: 25NL, 6max cash. BTN open, BB defence.

    I posted about my terrible BB stats in http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...bb-195772.html so I decided it was time to do some proper work on my blinds play. I figured this might be useful for others too, and I'd also like feedback on my range assignments, assumptions etc.

    I'll probably do this again for BB v CO opens, and SB v BTN & CO opens at some point soon. For now, I'm just looking at BB v BTN.

    To get some baseline numbers and construct some typical ranges, I looked in my database. The average button steal frequency was 35%. When those button opens were 3bet, 56% of the time the button folded, 36% of the time they called and the remaining 8% of the time they 4bet.

    That gives a total 4bet range of 3% (8% of the 35% of hands they opened at all) for a "typical" button. This is about [QQ+, AQs+, AKo], but I'm going to widen that just a little to [QQ+, AQ+, KQs] since I think my sample is small and in BTN v Blind battles, people are definitely stacking off with AQ, and with some non-zero frequency with KQ so I just included KQs and not KQo in the 4bet range.

    Therefore if BTN calls a 3bet, he has a wide, weak and capped range [3%-23%] on average. [66-JJ, A2s-AJs, K7s-KJs, Q8s+, J9s+, T9s, JTo, QTo+, K9o+, A7o+]





    So we want to be 3betting a range that has decent equity against this continuing range.

    First, let's look at what has at least 50% preflop equity when the button is opening 35% of hands:

    [22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q8s+,J7s+,T7s+,96s+,85s+,75s+,65s,A4 o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o]




    So to construct our calling range, we're going to want to remove a lot of the thick value broadways and pairs that he'll be calling our 3bets for value with when he has a wide, weak range. That will weaken our calling range so we have to narrow it a bit to make up for that, so we're calling with enough strength to play against him postflop, but not giving up value by calling with the hands we really want to be able to 3bet for value.

    We also want to leave plenty of strong hands over for the 3bet range, so that we can have plenty of bluffs without the 3bet range becoming overly weighted towards bluffs.

    One calling range that comprises 10.7% of hands (so we'll call nearly 1/3 of the 35% of the time that the button gets opened) and has just over 51% equity against his button opening range is [88-TT, A9s-AJs, KTs-KTs, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, JTo, QTo+, KTo, ATo-AJo] - I like having some bigger aces in here because even BTN vs Blind I don't think people call 3bets so wide with dominated aces because they know how ace heavy 3bet ranges are, tending to call more with something like K8s than they will with A9o.



    That's 10.6% of starting hands, meaning if BTN opens with 35% of hands, when he opens there's a 30% chance we call.

    So we now have a calling range, so our 3bet range is going to be all the big hands that are missing from the top left corner in the above range, plus some bluffing hands with reasonable postflop playability.

    The value hands [AA-JJ, AQs+, KJs+, KJo+, AQo+] comprise 6.6% of hands, so mixing in something like [A2s-A5s, 74s-96s, 64s-86s, 54s-76s] gives us 10.6% of starting hands again, so now when he opens there's also a 30% chance we 3bet. About 2/3 of the time when we 3bet it's with a value hand, and one third of the time it's with a bluff.

    Here's our overall 3bet range with the bluffs in green and the value hands in red:



    And here's our continuing range in it's entirety, with calling hands in blue:



    Now lets look at how our and villains ranges hit various flop textures in single raised and 3bet pots.

    Flop textures:

    • High, connected eg. AQTr, KQTtt

    Single raised pots:

    On AQTrr we have top pair or better or a good draw 41% of the time, wheras villain has the same 47% of the time. We have 56% overall equity, but even BTN v Blind this is a dangerous texture and we should tread carefully if we're not to end up giving him too little credit.

    When it's not ace high, this texture absolutely smashes us - we have 65% overall equity, and wheras willain has top pair or better or a good draw 42% of the time, we have it 67%.

    In short, we have good equity on these flops, and there's little need to bluff, and few opportunities to do so even if we needed to.

    In a single raised pot, If we don't hit these flops, we should check/fold.

    3bet pots:

    Neither us nor villain have a big advantage here, so nothing really changes vs. single raised pots. Given that we've lowered the SPR by 3betting, if we hit hard we should probably be happy to stack off as quickly as possible if we slam the flop for 2pr or better, and if we have a great draw we can happily get it in too, we should be mindful of the need to stack off quickly if we do hit hard so we don't have to play the turn OOP, but really there's nothing too out of the ordinary here.

    • 2 high, one rag

    Eg. AJ7tt, QJ7r

    Single raised pots:

    On AJ7tt were pretty much flipping equity wise, but the way our and villains ranges hit the flop are very different. For villain, he has top pair or better 34% of the time, and at least middle pair 51% of the time. We can't stab at this. We only hit the flop for top pair or better 21% of the time but 45% of the time we have at least middle pair, so unless there's a ton of action we have a good chance at showdown. We can probably c/c this flop with middle pair or better, to re-evaluate the turn.

    On QJ7r things change quite a bit, probably because it's a non ace-high flop, now we have 58% overall equity, and BTN hits the flop for top pair or better or an OESD 28% of the time, and middle pair or better or an OESD 42% of the time. For us it's 39%/63%, so we pretty much smash this.

    Again though, there's not enough he's folding for us to be stabbing OOP, so I think if we don't hit these flops we should just give up.

    3bet pots:

    This is a tough spot. Not much changes in our relative hand strength vs the situation in a single raised pots, but the lower SPR favours hot/cold hands, and I don't really know what to do here with middle pair - OOP, I think we just have to be prepared to give it up, even if that's exploitable, I don't think we should be stacking off with middle pair here, and in a 3bet pot if a decent sized flop bet goes in we're going to find ourselves pretty commited to doing just that on the turn quite often. OTOH, with a great draw here we should definitely get it in, because then we're putting villain in the situation I just referred to when he's often going to be slightly ahead with a mid-strength hand that he can't really call with.

    On the ace high flop, we can't really stab effectively, but I think there's an argument for stabbing at something non-ace high of this texture. Just like in the single raise pot, he hits QJ7r for second pair or better or an OESD 45% of the time, but middle pair is 18% of that, so his strong fit hands are only 27% of his range and depending on his tendencies, he may often not be willing to continue in a 3bet pot with second pair with the prospect of a turn shove looming large.

    • 1 high, 2 connected mid

    Eg. A87tt, Q93r

    Single raised pots:

    On A87tt we have poor equity with 44%. Top pair or better or a good draw comprise 43% of villains range, for us it's only 33%. This pattern that is developing of ace-high flops being bad for us in single raised pots is presumably because of all the strong aces that we kept out of our calling range so as to 3bet them. Again, it doesn't look great to bluff at OOP.
    On Q93r our equity is 54%. Button really misses this texture badly, having top pair or better or a good draw only 24% of the time, and a weaker fit like mid pair or better or a draw about 41% of the time. We hit the flop strongly 38% of the time, and for middle pair or better 54%. When we don't hit the flop, villains range hits this texture so poorly that even though it looks kind of drawy, we can probably take a stab at the flop.

    3bet pots:

    On A87tt the tendency for ace high flops to be bad for us doesn't seem to exist in the 3bet pots because of all our strong aces in the 3bet range. We basically flip on this texture, both hitting it about 40% of the time for a good draw, top pair or better. He doesn't have enough air for stabbing OOP to be good, so when we brick I think we just check it down.

    Q93r is somewhat different in that although we both hit it equally, we both hit it equally badly - it's much better to stab at this, and if we're called it's often going to be a weakish made hand like a PP or 9x which can't take turn pressure, so we can shove some turns.

    • 1 high, 2 connected low

    Eg. A25tt, K34tt

    Single raised pots:

    Again, A25tt doesn't work so well for us, and villain has 55% equity. Top pair or better or a good draw comprise 37% of his range. Including his pocket overpairs to the low cards, he'll continue on the flop 50% of the time. For us those numbers are 28%/42%. Check/giveup.
    K34tt gives us about 48% equity, respectively for TP+ and TP+PP>44 villain hits 25%/36% and we hit 18%/32%. The flop hits us both quite weakly, and unless we think he will station us down with his small PP we can try stabbing at the flop, and maybe even barreling favourable turns - only about half of his made hands here are top pair or better, he doesn't have too many draws though.

    3bet pots:

    Again we flip on A25tt equity and range wise, both hitting it for something we might continue with about 50% of the time, but a third of that continuing range is PP 66+. Still, these hands are probably not folding for one bet, and 2/3 of his flop calling range is an ace or better, so I think we just give up when we don't hit this.

    K34tt is massively different, here we hit for TP+ or a good draw 50% of the time, and villain only hits 25%. We won't get a lot of value here most of the time when we make a hand, so when we don't we need to be stabbing a lot of make up for that.

    • mid connected

    eg. JT9r, T98tt

    Single raised pots:

    On wet boards like this, we smash it. On JT9r we have 64% equity, having TP+ or a good draw 68% of the time. Villain has the same 50% of the time. We can't mess about on this texture - either we have a hand and we hope he has something to pay us off with, or we give up. I think we must also tread carefully and not be suckered into believing that just because it's BTN vs BB that relative hand strengths on this texture aren't still considerably reduced.
    On T98tt it's the same story, just even more exaggerated - now we have TP+ or a good draw 91% of the time. Much of that is just TPGK though which on this texture might as well be queen high.

    3bet pots:

    Villains somewhat narrowed range after we 3bet him preflop has closed the gap on this texture even further, now we're pretty much flipping. On T98tt we're actually getting crushed. These boards look scary, and they should - we just need to give up here mostly, even if we make TP, since trying to play it OOP vs. such a strong range on this board seems suicidal.

    • 2 mid, 1 low

    Eg. J83r, 984tt

    Single raised pots:

    On J83r we have an equity advantage with 55%. Relative hand strength are more normal here, and we hit hard with TP+ or a good draw 39% of the time to villains 26%. 984tt tilts the balance a little more towards villain. On either of these textures, I think we can play pretty straightforwardly if we make a hand, as neither of us has a marked advantage, but if we miss entirely I think we can stab at these flops, possibly even barreling some turns if we think villain will call with bare overs which he will have quite a lot of. Also, a lot of what he flats the flop with is weakish made hands or OK draws which can fold to turn pressure.

    3bet pots:

    We don't hit so hard here when we 3bet and a lot of our Jx and drawing hands are in our calling range. Neither of us really hits this at all in a 3bet pot, so it's a great texture to stab at. In contrast to a single raised pot though, I don't think we should every barrel here because the board just doesn't look scary and we rep so narrow, so I doubt TPGK or even TPWK is folding much.

    • 1 mid, 2 low connected

    Eg. J54r, 952tt

    Single raised pots:

    On these bone-dry boards, the strength of our preflop range vs villains shows, since neither of us hit the flop much at all as you'd expect. On J54r TP+ is 32% of our range vs 22% of villains. If he'll get stubborn with a pocket overpair to the low board cards, he can call the flop only 30% of the time. I think we stab a ton on this texture, but basically give up after the flop, since if he does call it's quite likely he holds a hand that he's not folding on the turn - most of his flop calls will be top pair.
    952tt favours villains a little, 26% vs 19% good flop fits, but again it's rare for either of us to make anything, so we should be very stabby on these dry flops.

    3bet pots:

    We smash this equity wise with 60%, and we hit for TP+ or a good draw much more often than villain (30% vs 20%), but again it's not like either of us are going to hit to very often. Very stabby is the name of the game here.


    • low mid, low connected

    Eg. 652tt, 643r

    Single raised pots:

    Even those these flops are connected, again neither of us is making much at all here. Of course there are a few more pocket overpairs to the board, but our stronger range vs villain ensures that it's more often us with the showdown hand anyway. Just like the above texture, we should be extremely stabby on this texture, and I think given that lots of flop calls are going to be small overpairs to the board, we can barrel scary looking turns.

    3bet pots:

    Our stronger 3bet range with the big PP shines here, and our equity is 65%. We hit for an overpair, better or a gutter 40% of the time while villain only does so 25%.
    I don't think we should stab here very much in 3bet pots though, since villain can get stubborn with smallish overpairs to the board. It's probably best just to take the value we get when he has a small overpair and we have a big one, and try to check it down the rest of the time - our range is very strong here anyway, and we will often win at showdown if it does check down.

    • low connected

    Eg. 245r, 345tt

    Single raised pots:

    Like the flops above, but this time with a wheel draw possible, so villain can have quite a lot of gutters with his ace-heavy opening range. If we're going to stab, it's probably best to do it on the turn or river so we don't end up spewing in a big pot. Neither of us are going to make a hand much here, but unless villain is quite tight he's probably not folding a gutter and may also feel he has some showdown value with the ace-high against our bluffs.

    3bet pots:
    Loads of bare aces for both us and villain here, so stabbing can be good or bad, I can't decide - on the one hand, if we stab and he comes along, we'll often both brick the draw then we'll win at showdown because of our stronger preflop range of big aces and when we do hit the draw we'll chop a lot. If we don't stab, we can just show down and often win with the better ace high. I think we should probably c/f flop, then stab at scary turns.

    • paired

    Eg. JJ4tt, 559r

    Single raised pots:

    Preflop hand values don't really change here, because it's so hard for either of us to hit the flop. Our stronger preflop range results in us having a decent equity advantage with 57%, and I think a lot of villains realise just how full of shit betting this texture looks most of the time, so I don't think we should stab too much. A flop C/R seems good if villain is stabby, since again it's so hard for him to have anything he can continue with here.

    559r actually favours villain a bit more than JJ4tt since he has more over-PP to the board on the low, paired flop, but I don't think it makes so much difference and we can probably still C/R and get a ton of folds from [66-99] and the overcards he stabs with.

    3bet pots:

    Again, this flop hits so little that we basically see the flop with the same hand strengths we had preflop. This time though, in a 3bet pot, the advantage that villain had on the lower paired flop is turned around and now it is us who makes more overpairs to the board. Again, I don't think stabbing with air here is good, if we're going to make a move better to C/R and trap villain in for an extra bet when he take a shot at it.
    Last edited by BorisTheSpider; 09-06-2013 at 12:26 PM.
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    Really good analysis Boris. I think a lot of people would benefit from doing this kind of thing, but obviously it takes a lot of work and time, so good job.
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    wow, awesome post boris, just wanted to stick my nose in hear and tell ya im going to go over this in detail after my sesh..

    nicer work
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    Your calling range is horribly capped no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Your calling range is horribly capped no?
    Yeah, I don't entirely disagree, but how often do you think villain exploits this at 25NL?

    I found it kind of difficult to significantly uncap my calling range, unless we were to give up a ton of value we can get from our 3bets. I think at the limits I'm talking about, it's better to majorly uncap our calling range at the expense of balance, to exploit the wide calling range I've suggested for the button.
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    I reckon it's the stake where people are going to start exploiting you for just that, the better players there will definitely. Just something to think about.
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    Excellent post, excellent analysis, good times.

    @Savy: It is clear that playing the best hands most aggressively is where we get most of our value. This means that when we're taking a less-than-most-aggressive line, we will have a capped range. This is simply optimal ABC poker.

    Of course, against some villains we would want to sporadically slow play some big hands for deception, hoping that a slightly -EV play now will encourage more +EV spots later. This should only be an occasional deviation from our standard lines, as we're clearly making a sub-optimal play in the short term.

    Against other villains (who are different from the hypothetical villain ITT), we may want to exploit their extremely high fold-to-3bet stat by flatting with AA,KK and 3-betting wider. This allows us to play our big hands post-flop vs. a villain who will otherwise fold a disproportionately large %-age of the time PRE.
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    No, it's thinking about balance so villains can't start making our life absolute hell. I think the above is a very good starting point, but I also think it's pretty limited in how far it'll get you. *

    However what is especially good about it is that it's something you can build on and add too (all I was suggesting) and learning how to adjust our range vs different players is very important. I'd just say that as we start playing better players our natural starting point should move towards a more balanced form than this.

    It's not like this range doesn't take into account balance at all, that's the only reason 3bet bluffing comes into it. Someone just starting playing could do the exact same analysis and just have a calling range and a 3bet value range, but what we should start to realise is that this is a exploitative adjustment to exploit population tendencies.

    edit -

    * I mean using this range as a starting point, not the idea behind what he's done.
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    As usual, I don't know if we are agreeing or not Savy.

    I don't know exactly what you mean by balance in the above. I think the point is to find the optimal unexploitable strategy, which will likely include capped calling ranges, in any given situation. Having found this, the only reason to deviate is to move our play toward optimal exploitational to take advantage of our opponent's inability to play optimal unexploitable against us.

    It is still only in the most extreme cases of exploitable villains where we find an uncapped calling range to be optimal exploitational, and only when there are future opportunities to bet in the hand.

    So if someone is "adjusting" to our capped range by always becoming super aggressive when we check, then we can exploit that extremely exploitable behavior in a villain by uncapping our calling range, and bluffing more.
    Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 09-07-2013 at 09:10 PM.
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    Wow, great post, Boris
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    boris, what program are you using to do your post flop anal?

    equilab does it sort of, but it's static.

    question: shouldn't we be set-mining in the blinds? i flat 22-77 quite often. never thought it a leak or wrong. just curious
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeldPhaser View Post
    boris, what program are you using to do your post flop anal?

    equilab does it sort of, but it's static.

    question: shouldn't we be set-mining in the blinds? i flat 22-77 quite often. never thought it a leak or wrong. just curious
    I did the postflop analysis with equilab - what do you mean by static? All I did was to set up our and villains ranges, enter various flops, then go into the hand values section (where you click the little pie chart to the right of each range) - you need to make some common sense decisions about what constitutes a good fit on each texture, ie. we can assume villain is continuing with middle pair on something like J95r, but on AKQm that's unlikely, so you have to make a decision for each texture as to what constitutes a good fit hand and you could also make some inferences about villains tendency to float or bluff on some textures but not others if you think he's that aware.

    I don't really setmine at all, and especially trying to do it against a wide, weak range which is mostly not going to make a hand good enough to pay you off with, I think it's a bad idea. I also think it has the danger of having a made hand, albeit a poor one, and you then are OOP with a weak bluffcatcher which I think I personally would find myself being a station with too often, so I'd rather just fold the small PP pre.
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    Besides my low PP question. I'm doing some work with your flatting range boris, which is fine except for the lack of Kx's in We only have 20 combos of Kx. I'm not saying it's wrong by any means, but it leaves us pretty weak, and dominated on a Kxx board. Now as we know these are some of the best boards to cbet w/ a high % of ranges. Which means we are cbet bluffing a lot on Kxx boards because of the same lack of Kx .

    So in constructing a range for a situation where we are oop, and we are flatting in the blinds, and checking the flop maybe we should beef up this portion of our range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider View Post
    I did the postflop analysis with equilab - what do you mean by static? All I did was to set up our and villains ranges, enter various flops, then go into the hand values section (where you click the little pie chart to the right of each range) - you need to make some common sense decisions about what constitutes a good fit on each texture, ie. we can assume villain is continuing with middle pair on something like J95r, but on AKQm that's unlikely, so you have to make a decision for each texture as to what constitutes a good fit hand and you could also make some inferences about villains tendency to float or bluff on some textures but not others if you think he's that aware.

    I don't really setmine at all, and especially trying to do it against a wide, weak range which is mostly not going to make a hand good enough to pay you off with, I think it's a bad idea. I also think it has the danger of having a made hand, albeit a poor one, and you then are OOP with a weak bluffcatcher which I think I personally would find myself being a station with too often, so I'd rather just fold the small PP pre.
    I was just curious if you were using flopzilla. I am also using equilab,

    I don't wanna get to far off topic because this is a good one. so I'll just say that I don't play 22-55, but i do have 66,77 in my blind flatting range. pp's , and sets are getting less valuable , but i think especially @ 4nl,5nl,10nl set mining is still profitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeldPhaser View Post
    Besides my low PP question. I'm doing some work with your flatting range boris, which is fine except for the lack of Kx's in We only have 20 combos of Kx.
    Yeah, I'm interested to hear some specific analysis on this once you do it, and I might get round to it myself too. On something really dry and king high like K48r he does make top pair a bit more than us, but both of us miss a lot (neither of us making top pair or better more than 20% of the time) so it's a good stabbing texture if we don't think he's aware that it's a good stabbing texture.

    Part of the problem with putting more kings in the flatting range is that most of our kings are hands we want to be able to 3bet for value, so if we're going to flat with some more we're either going to have to give up some of that value, or we're going to have to play more of the dominated small suited kings, at the risk of paying off sometimes with TPWK. That's going to be an even worse risk on textures like KJ2tt/KT4tt/KQ2r etc. where we might feel less comfortable folding top pair to action because of either more likely middle pair hands, or more draws.
    Last edited by BorisTheSpider; 09-08-2013 at 12:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeldPhaser View Post
    I was just curious if you were using flopzilla. I am also using equilab,

    I don't wanna get to far off topic because this is a good one. so I'll just say that I don't play 22-55, but i do have 66,77 in my blind flatting range. pp's , and sets are getting less valuable , but i think especially @ 4nl,5nl,10nl set mining is still profitable.
    No, not using flopzilla, I do use combonator but it doesn't do range v range analysis, it's more useful for looking at how ranges change over streets, but I used it to produce the pictures because I like the way you can completely eliminate the hands not in the range from the displayed grid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeldPhaser View Post
    @ 4nl,5nl,10nl set mining is still profitable.
    I think there's probably more profitability when calling an EP open, particularly in a multi-way pot, to setmine. I do that. What I think is unlikely to be profitable is calling OOP against a wide, weak open particularly when we're likely to get muscled off our weak showdown hand most of the time, and when we do bink then I don't think we get paid off very often at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeldPhaser View Post
    So in constructing a range for a situation where we are oop, and we are flatting in the blinds, and checking the flop maybe we should beef up this portion of our range.
    Yeah, but I think you can also strengthen your checking range on Kxx by donking with a lot of air.
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    Yeah, but I think you can also strengthen your checking range on Kxx by donking with a lot of air.
    this is true, and i know we are limited and don't want to tread to deeply into our 3b range. either way it is stimulating to the brain.

    i will reply with more shortly
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