[10NL] KK...Villain never bluffing?

[Cobra_1878]

Villain is complete unknown.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $10.15
MP: $20.33
CO: $14.02
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $9.90
BB: $8.96

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20, fold

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) A A 4
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.40, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets $1.00, SB calls $1.00

River: ($3.40, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets $2.45, SB raises to $8.25 and is all-in, Hero ???

I feel like villain never shows up here without at LEAST Ax, I just wondered why he would c/c, c/c, c/r river if he did have an A? At the same time, I don't feel villain is ever bluffing here either and there is very little I beat.

[griffey24]

Villain is a complete unknown and you think you can go for three streets here? Seems highly doubtful your third bullet is getting called by worse.

This particular hand has two streets of value. I can handle bet flop /ck/ call or bet / bet / ck. Even bet/ck/call might be meh given there are no clear draws on flop and most of his range that we beat likely won't lead river.

Obv snap fold river as played.

[Carroters]

Yeah check flop or river here. As played it's the easiest fold ever.

[Savy]

Do we think villain raising Ax here is actually a good idea btw? I mean I'd imagine villain auto 3bets a lot of Ax here, so his range is going to be fairly capped (I'd imagine a better played flats some strong Ax here which might make it ok), but if he does have say A3s for example what exactly would he be getting value from by raising?

[abelardx]

Usually there are 120 combos of top pair on the flop. When the top card is paired, there are 88 combos of trips. That's only about a third less and a fish would have all those Ax hands. So you can't just look at an AAx flop and say he couldn't have an ace. You've got to play this like KK on an A high flop. It's a little better than Axy but not much.

edit: Well if you know villain is loose-passive you can get three streets of value, but then folding to a raise is even more important.

[seven-deuce]

I'd check the flop. Snap fold river. Look at your range on the flop and figure out what hands you think you can bet for 3 streets vs an unknown, I don't think KK falls into that part of your range.

[Pelion]

edit: Well if you know villain is loose-passive you can get three streets of value, but then folding to a raise is even more important.

But loose passive players will have even more combos of Ax than TAGs

[abelardx]

But loose passive players will have even more combos of Ax than TAGs

That's true but they will be a smaller percentage of their much bigger calling range.

[griffey24]

That's true but they will be a smaller percentage of their much bigger calling range.

Perhaps, but Ax is ALWAYS calling the river and the rest of his calling range definitely isn't.

[BorisTheSpider]

wondered why he would c/c, c/c, c/r river if he did have an A?

It's just a fish line. Like, there's no other line I'd ever expect a fish to take here, some might micro-raise the turn occasionally, but mostly, they are going to do exactly what this one did.

FWIW, I think you can check back the flop here. The board is so dry and he can't improve on barely any turns, so I think check-b/f-b/f is better than bet-bet-c/f here. Also, if you do check the flop back some fish will donk the turn, you could then call the turn and fold to a river lead, saving you a bet.

[kickass]

Is this real. No fucking way! What worse is villain calling on this river given yr line, you do nt even knoe this villain. I expect he hopes you has an ace that can call when he raises the river.
If my critism sounds harsh sorry but come on.

[kickass]

Whilst I think chking back the flop is standart I think betting the flop and chking the turn has its merits as does bet bet chk ip. I dont understand betting this river ip. Id b/f AK on this river so im certainly not b3t calling kk

[ISillyDurrrAK]

The villain called a big bet on pretty dry flop and blank turn and check/raises blank river, instafold IMHO

[ISillyDurrrAK]

Villain is a complete unknown and you think you can go for three streets here? Seems highly doubtful your third bullet is getting called by worse.

This particular hand has two streets of value. I can handle bet flop /ck/ call or bet / bet / ck. Even bet/ck/call might be meh given there are no clear draws on flop and most of his range that we beat likely won't lead river.

Obv snap fold river as played.

Her legs are so hot, it's enough to read this forum

[caddie444]

My standard is to check flop and b/f turn river

As played standard fold