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  1. #1
    What is my range?

    Folding what % of my range makes me exploitable here?

    Where does my current hand fall into this range?

    Call/fold accordingly

    Later look at the hand and see what possible pitfalls your range. So say you have to call ATs here that's probably something we don't want to have to do, so clearly that's a problem with our range at some point previous to this. Then we can also look at what hands we'd add/take from our range to see how we can best exploit people who we know are making mistakes here.

    Then when we have a big enough sample of people doing stuff like this on boards like that we can do some database work and get a rough idea of the general populations range in this spot.
  2. #2
    STOP IT
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    STOP IT


    Sir yes sir.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    What is my range?
    AA, 66, AKs, AKo, JQhh

    Folding what % of my range makes me exploitable here?
    More than 61%.

    Where does my current hand fall into this range?
    Kind of questionable. 32% of my range is sets, 63% is top 2 pair, so from a purely GTO perspective I need to fold about half my top 2 pair combos to make him indifferent to jamming as a bluff and indifferent to jamming for value.

    From a GTO perspective, calling with all my AK combos means I only fold 5% of the time when I have JQhh so that makes me a massive station in this spot.

    But - like carroters said, I think contemplating folding top 2 ever here at these stakes probably makes me a big nit.

    Then we can also look at what hands we'd add/take from our range to see how we can best exploit people who we know are making mistakes here.
    Although I felt this was an interesting spot given the numbers I gave in the OP, I actually stationed this off, and I can't really see how I could ever fold - so intuitively I agree with Carroters that folding would be awful. I was actually more expecting that some people might want to fold given the sizing.

    I intuitively feel that a useful "population read" based adjustment to our range is to only fold the 5% of it that's drawing here and just station off all the AK. It seems like quite a big adjustment when you look at it in the context of it meaning I call with 95% of my range, but OTOH my range is super strong so folding much of anything is going to be tough.

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