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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    OP - do you have any stats on villain?
    270 hands, 18/13, 3% 3bet, not seen him be 4bet before. High AF flop and turn. 80% cbet (10 opportunities) and 50% fold to flop cbet (6 opportunities).
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider View Post
    270 hands, 18/13, 3% 3bet, not seen him be 4bet before. High AF flop and turn. 80% cbet (10 opportunities) and 50% fold to flop cbet (6 opportunities).
    Why are we 4betting...?
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  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Why are we 4betting...?
    Well, maybe my reasoning is wrong here, but:

    a. We don't know how he reacts to being 4bet yet, and if we 4bet him, we're gonna find out - 3% does leave him with some 3-bet folding stuff, if he 3bets about [QQ+, AKs, AKo, AQs] I think he can fold AQs and QQ at least, if he'll fold AKo as well it looks good.

    b. He folds to enough flop cbets that I think he's probably quite fit-or-fold so if he does flat with a better ace and we both miss, I think we take it down on the flop quite a lot.

    c. He's a reg, so him having notes that I 4bet AXs here stops him just folding his QQ next time I 4bet him with AA/KK.

    Maybe I'm trying to find justifications for it - I mean, I'd like it more if he 3bet 7%.

    Also, if I'm brutally honest with myself, I'm probably autopiloting a bit here - I just redid all my preflop ranges, so I'm still getting used to them (which I find leaves less mental capacity over to think about other stuff - I am only 2 tabling though), and this is a "default" 4bet combo for me here, so I may not have even checked his stats at the time.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider View Post
    Maybe I'm trying to find justifications for it - I mean, I'd like it more if he 3bet 7%.
    I'm confused, you're trying to justify the play, and then you admitting to autopiloting (presumably an admission of bad play). No need to be ashamed of autopiloting -- happens to the best of us

    3% & 7% 3bet are drastically different here. When my MP opens get 3bet by 3%3bettors I'm giving them credit for it 100% of the time. Preflop would be way more justified if this were BU vs Blinds, but even then I'm just not messing with 3% 3bettors.

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