Not So Vanilla Werewolf Diffusion

[OngBonga]

Yeah my problem with that gabe is that from my pov, rong seems wolfier than gator. Might just be that I suck hard this game, but the fact you're dropping rong and joining him in the attack on gator seems odd to me.

Luco, I don't need anyone to tell me I can't balance my range, I get lynched/vig'd as wolf and nommed as villager. I'm just making honest observations. From what I've seen, you're an astute villager and an average wolf. That's not mockery, you're no worse a wolf than I am.

[Luco]

If it's gabe v gator today

rescind bigred, lynch gator

I think gator flips wolf more often than gabe here

[Luco]

Yeah my problem with that gabe is that from my pov, rong seems wolfier than gator. Might just be that I suck hard this game, but the fact you're dropping rong and joining him in the attack on gator seems odd to me.

Luco, I don't need anyone to tell me I can't balance my range, I get lynched/vig'd as wolf and nommed as villager. I'm just making honest observations. From what I've seen, you're an astute villager and an average wolf. That's not mockery, you're no worse a wolf than I am.

I was just kidding! I took no offence nor did I intend any

[gabe]

yea well I'm flipping wolf 0% of the time

ong, why is that odd. I don't suddenly think rong is a villager. maybe he gets lynched next, idk

and I've also repeatedly brought up the strategy of going hard at someone for info (catch and release ). so it should definitely not seem odd that I was trying to do this vs rong, a person who otherwise has not caught much heat

[gabe]

I'm putting in too much work posting to be a wolf

[OngBonga]

ong, why is that odd. I don't suddenly think rong is a villager. maybe he gets lynched next, idk

This is even more odd. If you're so convinced gator is a wolf, why wouldn't that effect your read on rong, who also seems to think gator is a wolf?

[OngBonga]

lynch gabe

Preferable to gator.

I like to lynch from bigred, keith, rong, gabe.

[gabe]

because the people we're talking about arent newbs. they can have tough strategy too

[OngBonga]

because the people we're talking about arent newbs. they can have tough strategy too

Nah this doesn't add up. I can accept villager gabe can find gator a more appealing lynch than dan. I can't accept that you wouldn't stop and reassess your read on dan when you're both pushing for the same wagon, the one that is leading no less. This doesn't feel right. You're prepared to lynch gator with dan, but then you're saying you might lynch him next? You're posturing yourself before you even consider whether gator flips town or wolf.

gabe is a much better lynch than gator imo.

[OngBonga]

Well ong, from my perspective I'd say one of the hardest things for a villager is to not auto think wolf when someone campaigns for your lynch. So I don't care if Gabe is trying to lynch me, if agree with something he says I'll say so and act accordingly, likewise if I disagree.

This doesn't feel like a natural village response. Why isn't dan thinking "hang on, this guy was on me a minute ago, now he's with me"? Shouldn't dan be concerned about gabe's motive, and thus reassess whether gator is such a good lynch? This is what I'd be thinking in villager dan's shoes. But his response to my post was defensive, which is consistent with what I'd expect from a wolf.

[OngBonga]

gabe's whole lynch dan noise can easily be wolf on wolf distancing, knowing full well that dan isn't getting lynched on day one.

[GatorJH]

Also, your tune completely 180s on me after I suspect you're suspect. Seems a little reactive and quick to defend which is a common wolf trait. However, I'd think you'd be less prone to this by now in these games so I'm putting you slightly closed to the villager side of the spectrum.

These types of posts kill me because everyone gets credit except me. Instead I get the "but Gator doesn't get the same credit because he is devious enough to try that", yet no one applies Occam's razor to my play. Ever.

[gabe]

Nah this doesn't add up. I can accept villager gabe can find gator a more appealing lynch than dan. I can't accept that you wouldn't stop and reassess your read on dan when you're both pushing for the same wagon, the one that is leading no less. This doesn't feel right. You're prepared to lynch gator with dan, but then you're saying you might lynch him next? You're posturing yourself before you even consider whether gator flips town or wolf.

gabe is a much better lynch than gator imo.

I said "maybe he gets lynched next idk"

you inferred wayyy too much from that

and instead of thinking of me using catch+release, you just imagine some weird possibilities of me being a wolfy and interacting with another wolf

you've got blinders on, ong

[GatorJH]

@Gator, how are Gabe and I avoiding each other? Dude has been at the top of my suspicion list since day 1.

This is what I saw through post 150. You have Gabe at the top of your suspect list, but vote for Daven and Ong. He has you at the top of his suspect list, but never waivers from Rong. Tell me how this isn't standard wolf tactic?

[rong]

This doesn't feel like a natural village response. Why isn't dan thinking "hang on, this guy was on me a minute ago, now he's with me"? Shouldn't dan be concerned about gabe's motive, and thus reassess whether gator is such a good lynch? This is what I'd be thinking in villager dan's shoes. But his response to my post was defensive, which is consistent with what I'd expect from a wolf.

Ong, villagers don't get lynched without other villagers being on the bw. Getting rid of the constant assumption that someone is a wolf because they want to lynch me when I'm a villager was probably the greatest improvement in my villager game.

[GatorJH]

Yeah the "weak as shit" comment really stood out to me as well.

Combine that with this:



Which is a bandwagon he promptly jumped on agreeing with your case against me, which he now sees as reason to attack you.

I think I quite like a lynch gator

I started suspecting you after approx 260 posts, not 1. Oh and can you please show me the post where I voted for you? I just scanned through the first 8 pages and couldn't find it.

[GatorJH]

No, it's not. It's a valid observation. Also, if you really thought this why did you wait until bigred said I was wolfy before you posted it?

I love it when people don't put in the original quotes and then proceed to combine the messages into one. You did that with Ong and now you are doing that with me.

[GatorJH]

I didn't just hop on gators bandwagon as if all of a sudden I want to believe rong

im voting for gator because of my own conclusions, which I've outlined, and rong has agreed

Day 1 Gabe - Rong is a wolf because I said so.
Day 2 Gabe - Gator is a wolf because I said so.

[GatorJH]

also I had forgotten about wuf stepping in to clarify that. it probably means something

This. Yet no one wants to explore why Wuf did that. I also found a very subtle hint a few games ago that nailed the last wolf and had to go through the same pain in that game.

I guess all of my reads are wolf deviousness and all of Gabe's are villager trying to help.

[GatorJH]

I'm putting in too much work posting to be a wolf

And yet you go after someone else who is putting in a lot of work.

[GatorJH]

because the people we're talking about arent newbs. they can have tough strategy too

No Occam's Razor here?

[GatorJH]

you've got blinders on, Gabe

FYP

[rong]

I don't think you bolded me gator but you certainly added your weight behind it.

[Keith]

#300

please don't follow ong. I'm starting think he's a wolf or he's not actually going to look up jack tonight

tomorrow well be more sure about that situation

20 minutes later after 3 posts by ong
#304

ok lets kill rong since he is unrelated to this ong drama. angel protect ong but maybe like 10% of the time pick someone else

if you are starting to think he's a wolf , why tell the angel to protect him.this just seems a weird couple of posts so close together.

[Keith]

#441 - #446

we gotta use the catch and release system in a game where outing should be frequent. we can gather all the information this way

Add Bigred, and I agree with Gabe's villager list. I feel strongest about BID and Ong. Other than that, I dont feel comfortable voting anyone until I get the chance to dig into the thread tomorrow afternoon.

What is the catch and release system?

+1

run a train on someone and see if they out


everyone just waiting around for other people to convince them who to vote for isnt going to catch us up. all aboard the gator train

i dont know why i called it catch and release. i was maybe hoping people would just guess right so its not spelled out for the wolves, so they cant easily devise a counter-strat

those people voting gator in preference to Gabe should give there thoughts on this series of posts. Why is gabe saying that we should use a named system without explaining that system. It stinks of having been discussed elsewhere which in this game can only have been in the wolf thread.Villager Gabe would have said that we should put pressure on people and then back off when they defend themselves. He has assumed that everyone knows what he means with that phrase because he/they have been using it and forgot that the rest of us would not have heard of it.WHen pressed to explain it he can't explain where he got the name from. This is dodgy as anything but you guys are willing to ignore it?

[Luco]

#441 - #446

those people voting gator in preference to Gabe should give there thoughts on this series of posts. Why is gabe saying that we should use a named system without explaining that system. It stinks of having been discussed elsewhere which in this game can only have been in the wolf thread.Villager Gabe would have said that we should put pressure on people and then back off when they defend themselves. He has assumed that everyone knows what he means with that phrase because he/they have been using it and forgot that the rest of us would not have heard of it.WHen pressed to explain it he can't explain where he got the name from. This is dodgy as anything but you guys are willing to ignore it?

Isn't it a fishing term? I would never have figured out the analogy if he hadn't explained it, that's for sure. But I'm pretty meh on it and I'd still rather we lynch gator today

[GatorJH]

Isn't it a fishing term? I would never have figured out the analogy if he hadn't explained it, that's for sure. But I'm pretty meh on it and I'd still rather we lynch gator today

And what exactly is your argument that I am a wolf? Cuz Gabe said so? If it is the terminology thing go back to any game I played and you will find terms like this throughout. This is an unsubstantiated argument.

[Luco]

And what exactly is your argument that I am a wolf? Cuz Gabe said so? If it is the terminology thing go back to any game I played and you will find terms like this throughout. This is an unsubstantiated argument.

Huh? was talking about gabe's use of 'catch and release'

Poor formatting strikes again?

[Luco]

Ok you may have a point about not pulling the full quote. But poor formatting != misrep

[GatorJH]

I'd still rather we lynch gator today

My apologies. It was a short enough post that I thought you could figure out what I was referencing. Let me cut out that part and point to you the part I was inquiring about.

Understand my question now?

[GatorJH]

Luco,
I have yet to see you outline why you think I am a wolf other than suspecting you. Sounds more like wolf piling onto a villager than villager trying to find a wolf.

[bigred]

I'm putting in too much work posting to be a wolf

It's posts like this that makes you so sketchy

[wufwugy]

ong - gabe
luco - gator
hoop - gator
rong - gator
gator - gabe
jyms - gator
keith - gabe
jkds - jyms
gabe - gator
bid - gabe

no vote - bigred

gabe - 4
gator - 5
jyms - 1

6 to lynch. Day 2 ends in 5 hours and 17 minutes

[Luco]

The thing is gator, things have settled on you vs gabe and of the two I think you're more likely wolf. The best way I can describe it is that gabe has been more in the thick of it while it seems like you've been more nudging from the back.

And yes, I ldo disagree with your attack on me and somehow you're the ONLY person who thinks my post about ong is 'weak as shit'. Looking through your posts I see what could be wolf hunting but it could also be some sloppy seconds and fanning the flames.

Your choice of words has been switching between asking questions (too many question marks is a wolf lean imo) and being overly aggressive, I kinda feel it's more likely to come from a wolf than a villager. Plus, I agree with gabe's points about you more than I agree with your points about gabe.

[rong]

Jkds

You're jyms lynch is wasted. What's your thoughts on Gabe and gator.

[Keith]

The thing is gator, things have settled on you vs gabe and of the two I think you're more likely wolf. The best way I can describe it is that gabe has been more in the thick of it while it seems like you've been more nudging from the back.

comeon luco you're shooting up my wolf scale along with Hoopy. Gabe is more in the thick of it because i've been attacking him for all the dodgy shit he's been doing.
wheres your opinion on him saying that he is starting to think ong is a wolf and then 20 minutes later telling the angel to protect him. You are trying to laugh off the catch and release thing with your fishing comment without addressing the fact that he used that phrase without being able to explain it when he was challenged at the time.

And yes, I ldo disagree with your attack on me and somehow you're the ONLY person who thinks my post about ong is 'weak as shit'. Looking through your posts I see what could be wolf hunting but it could also be some sloppy seconds and fanning the flames.

how about some evidence showing what you think is him wolf hunting and where you think he is fanning the flames. Here YOU are just fanning the flames.

Your choice of words has been switching between asking questions (too many question marks is a wolf lean imo) and being overly aggressive, I kinda feel it's more likely to come from a wolf than a villager. Plus, I agree with gabe's points about you more than I agree with your points about gabe.

how about you commit yourself. which of gabes points do you agree with and which of gators points do you disagree with. Establish your position instead of wishy washy words.

[gabe]

And yet you go after someone else who is putting in a lot of work.

not true. I've been putting in work since the crack of dawn on day 1. you've been posting a lot since you caught some heat. big difference

bigred, I can see where it would be sketchy but it's a real thing. whenever I see players posting a ton with rationale they are almost always villagers. that post I made was trying to remind the village of this so I don't get mislynched

[gabe]

#300

20 minutes later after 3 posts by ong
#304



if you are starting to think he's a wolf , why tell the angel to protect him.this just seems a weird couple of posts so close together.

the point of the first post you quoted was that ong was not going to seer jackvance. ong had been so emphatic about how he was going to look up JV that I though he was bluffing... turns out I was right

when u think about it like this, the 2nd post was congruent. and besides, we got plenty of info about ong since then, so it's not strange for me to not want him lynched

[gabe]

And what exactly is your argument that I am a wolf? Cuz Gabe said so? If it is the terminology thing go back to any game I played and you will find terms like this throughout. This is an unsubstantiated argument.

if you believe this then it's funny you didn't say it at first. that's a decent defense if it holds up, I guess

although without looking at any previous games I think it's a good argument on its own. I'll dig around in an hour or so when I'm on a computer cuz I don't like getting things wrong

[gabe]

historically I wonder what the success rate of a 3-4 person bandwagon where 2 of the bandwagoners are ong and Keith



^thats my response to Keith's text wall. I could pick apart every sentence but Keith has made up his mind and will not let go. Keith plays like a bulldog

[Keith]

yep ....why give more evidence for us to pick apart when you can just be a lazy wolf. You claim i'm a wolf yet you don't want to show where i'm wrong!!!

[rong]

Hour to go and no special outing. Not sure what to make of that.

[Luco]

Hour to go and no special outing. Not sure what to make of that.

I think a villager outs when they get to - 1 here

[GatorJH]

GL village. You know who my top targets are for tomorrow.

[Hoopy]

GL village. You know who my top targets are for tomorrow.

You're not going to out?

[BankItDrew]

I've never been so excited to know the results of today. I guess that means I'm a lock villager!

I'm convinced todays lynching and nomming is going to reveal so much. Unless both victims turn out to be villagers, in which case I think we're boned, for the most part. If gabe flips villager I'm running a hard wagon vs gator. If gator flips villager we must lynch gabe.

My prediction for today: gator flips vill and I get nommed. I'd hate to leave this early because I'm really enjoying this game.

[Hoopy]

Uggggghhhhh I've got a bad feeling about today. Like the wolves have masterminded it from the start.

[rong]

I'm tempted to switch. Not sure what to do.

[jyms]

gator hasn't even attempted to out so I see no reason to switch.

[BankItDrew]

Why would gator not out? Any reason other than afk?

[Hoopy]

What to do, what to do?

[rong]

If he was a wolf and Gabe a villager he'd fake out as he'd only need one player to switch to take out Gabe.

So either both wolves, both villagers of gator villager Gabe wolf.

Fuck it. Sorry Gabe.

rescind gator lynch Gabe

[BankItDrew]

Switch to gabe. I want to lock my MVP status early.

[BankItDrew]

Yes!

[rong]

Urrgghhh gabe no time to out though.

[Hoopy]

Big switch there rong, hopefully it's correct.

[BankItDrew]

If I was on the chopping block like that (top two in votes) I'd out. Not gonna wait till I'm the only one looking to be lynched.

[BankItDrew]

Wait, what are wufs rules re: outing? I was under the impression he would be mod killing players who come out and say what res they are.

Am I allowed to out my role?

[wufwugy]

Village kills teh gabe

Teh Living

jkds
ong
rong
gator
jums
bid
bigred
luco
hoop
keith

Teh Dead

ur mom
daven: village seer, lynched
jv: village seer, nom'd
gabe: village seer, lynched

Teh Village

7 villagers (seers/angels)
3 wolves

Night 2 will last till 2PM PST tomorrow. Relevant roles send me ur shit. Talk all you want about whatever you want

[jyms]

Such a bad play rong.

[rong]

Whoops!

[rong]

Sorry Gabe. It seemed a good idea at the time.

[rong]

We should have just lynched ong like we planned.

[rong]

This is so bad. We're down 3 seers and it's not even day 3.

[jyms]

We planned on lynching gator, hence the votes until you switched. You didn't give gabe a chance to out or speak before. Gator had plenty of time.

I think lynching rong is the next play, no question and if he flips gator goes next.
At least the night two seer should look him up

[Luco]

GG gabe. Somebody lookup gator tonight.

[BankItDrew]

Fuuuuuuuuuuudge

I'd like to remind players that I started the gabe wagon but it's not because I'm a wolf.

Sooooo... Lynch gator? Or rong?

Jyms makes logical points about the rong last minute change a poor one. Due to the time for outting thing.

[Hoopy]

Shit, if we still have a night 2 seer then lookup Gator if possible.

[Luco]

We planned on lynching gator, hence the votes until you switched. You didn't give gabe a chance to out or speak before. Gator had plenty of time.

I think lynching rong is the next play, no question and if he flips gator goes next.
At least the night two seer should look him up

No, we lynch gator first to see if he flips town. Rong's switch only matters if gator is a wolf.

[Hoopy]

If you're a villager rong (which is likely) then I'm not blaming you too much. I was toying with the idea of switching about 10min from deadline as well.

[jyms]

No, we lynch gator first to see if he flips town. Rong's switch only matters if gator is a wolf.

Fair enough

[OngBonga]

Huh I was thinking deadline was 10 minutes from this post.

Also, fuck this game.

[BankItDrew]

No, we lynch gator first to see if he flips town. Rong's switch only matters if gator is a wolf.

I agree with this.

Can someone answer my question re: outing?

[OngBonga]

drew - ask yourself these questions...

1. has ongbonga outed?
2. has ongbonga been modkilled?
3. is your question a stupid question?

[BankItDrew]

1. No
2. No
3. I don't know