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KK with AJ flop and Villain aggressive. Good flop play?

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    I think I wanna 3bet slightly bigger pre as we are OOP for the hand.

    I am also cbetting this flop, I think you heavily cap your range once you check this flop as I suspect you're not checking this flop w/ AJ+, JJ or AA?? Pretty much narrows your range down to QQ/KK imo.
    Last edited by Cobra_1878; 01-03-2014 at 06:44 PM.
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  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra_1878 View Post
    I think I wanna 3bet slightly bigger pre as we are OOP for the hand.

    I am also cbetting this flop, I think you heavily cap your range once you check this flop as I suspect you're not checking this flop w/ AJ+, JJ or AA?? Pretty much narrows your range down to QQ/KK imo.
    I don't see how betting higher accomplishes anything. If he's calling triple his raise, he's calling another dollar or two. Betting higher doesn't change my position and nobody else is in the hand anyway.

    I check that flop with AA, JJ and AJ in a heartbeat. Not every time but often enough. What's the point of scaring AK, KK or QQ away with a made hand? And if they bet when I have any of those hands, I have options. I can smooth call or reraise. At that point the pot is growing enough that I can get them pot committed on the turn.

    I appreciate the feedback, but I respectfully disagree with most of it.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by r8ed View Post
    I don't see how betting higher accomplishes anything. If he's calling triple his raise, he's calling another dollar or two. Betting higher doesn't change my position and nobody else is in the hand anyway.

    I check that flop with AA, JJ and AJ in a heartbeat. Not every time but often enough. What's the point of scaring AK, KK or QQ away with a made hand? And if they bet when I have any of those hands, I have options. I can smooth call or reraise. At that point the pot is growing enough that I can get them pot committed on the turn.

    I appreciate the feedback, but I respectfully disagree with most of it.
    Betting bigger makes pots easier to play when you're OOP.

    After your 3bet, what exactly is your cbetting range on this flop?

    And, if I understand correctly, you don't cbet this flop w/ strong made hands because you don't want to scare away worse hands but you're willing to check-raise which is a much stronger play (albeit strange after you 3bet pre) and more likely to get folds?

    You're a much better player than me and I have no idea how 50NL plays, I just thought I would offer my 2c.
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  4. #4
    Don't say I'm a much better player than you or doubt yourself. There are people playing much higher stakes that are way worse than both of us and people playing less stakes way better than both of us.

    To be honest, I don't 3bet much without AA,KK,QQ unless I know the opponent. But my opponents don't know that unless they have lots of hands against me. Like I mentioned, I sometimes cbet and sometimes check - it depends on my opponent and what I have been doing up to that point. I don't like to take the exact same line every time. Otherwise, I'm not really playing poker. I'm just following a computer program.

    I agree that a check-raise is a much stronger play and may get folds. It's just an option and based on the raise amount and situation.

    I don't mind playing out of position, especially when I'm the last raiser. In fact my stats from early to mid positions are better than my later position stats. This is most likely due to my looser hand range in late position but I don't feel uncomfortable OOP.

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