Why Aren't Women Punished for Fake Rape Accusations?

[agnesamurphy]

Turns out, women ARE punished for false rape accusations http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/m...tence-21569725

[spoonitnow]

Turns out, women ARE punished for false rape accusations http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/m...tence-21569725

They are very rarely compared to the number of times they aren't.

[d0zer]

They are very rarely compared to the number of times they aren't.

Let's see some stats. This MRA crusade of yours gets weaker with every post.

In other news, chip eater posting thinly-veiled brags about his sexual conquests with NSFW sexiness in a rape thread

[spoonitnow]

Let's see some stats. This MRA crusade of yours gets weaker with every post.

In other news, chip eater posting thinly-veiled brags about his sexual conquests with NSFW sexiness in a rape thread

I'm pretty close to nominating you as troll of the decade.

[agnesamurphy]

They are very rarely compared to the number of times they aren't.

Perhaps, but you also have to consider who's accusing this person of lying. There are plenty of men and women who tell the truth but are accused of lying, or are told by their attackers that no one would believe them if they do tell someone. This was an issue in the Daisy Coleman case in Missouri, where her family said that everyone thought Daisy and her family were lying about the incident. http://abcnews.go.com/US/maryville-t...ry?id=21492788

Did Daisy lie? You do have to consider that her accused attacker has an incentive to say Daisy's lying and to say it was consensual, even if Daisy has her own incentive to claim a false rape.

The overall point is that sure, there will always be people who cry wolf. But, it's equally dangerous just to say that all those people who cry wolf need to be punished and we should just get them. As Bikes said, it's a whole lot of he said, she said, and this position means people who are telling the truth get punished for doing so because others think they're lying.

[spoonitnow]

Perhaps, but you also have to consider who's accusing this person of lying. There are plenty of men and women who tell the truth but are accused of lying, or are told by their attackers that no one would believe them if they do tell someone. This was an issue in the Daisy Coleman case in Missouri, where her family said that everyone thought Daisy and her family were lying about the incident. http://abcnews.go.com/US/maryville-t...ry?id=21492788

Did Daisy lie? You do have to consider that her accused attacker has an incentive to say Daisy's lying and to say it was consensual, even if Daisy has her own incentive to claim a false rape.

The overall point is that sure, there will always be people who cry wolf. But, it's equally dangerous just to say that all those people who cry wolf need to be punished and we should just get them. As Bikes said, it's a whole lot of he said, she said, and this position means people who are telling the truth get punished for doing so because others think they're lying.

It's not he said she said when it's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that someone lied about being raped by someone else. That's how you get convicted. That is, unless you're accused of rape.

[agnesamurphy]

It's not he said she said when it's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that someone lied about being raped by someone else. That's how you get convicted. That is, unless you're accused of rape.

Well, going back to the OP, simply lying about rape & having proof of the lie just isn't enough for a crime. That's probably why the woman in the OP wasn't punished. Unless, she did something like fabricate/tamper with evidence, or lie on the stand, or decide to press charges and lie to investigators, then simply saying bullshit isn't a crime. I can talk about how I was raped and how this person did it all I want, but unless I go to the police and say, "I want to press charges and get an investigation going, then you can't punish me for anything under the law.

This is why the woman in the article I posted was punished for lying. She made up evidence and obstructed justice with her stories, since she took away time and resources from the authorities. Just because someone is making your life hell with lies doesn't necessarily mean they are breaking the law and can be punished under a court of law for it.

It's unfortunate that the lie is a rape accusation and that causes a lot of problems, but lying in and of itself isn't a crime, even if you are lying about about another crime. It only counts if you get the legal thing going, where perjury, obstruction of justice and what not would apply. The only other way a person could be punished for a false rape accusation is if they first went to the media, then they could be charged with slander/libel. Although those crimes are usually tough to charge because you have to prove the person a) knew they were lying and b) had intent to harm by lying to media, then it's actually not hard if there's proof of the lie.

[spoonitnow]

Well, going back to the OP, simply lying about rape & having proof of the lie just isn't enough for a crime. That's probably why the woman in the OP wasn't punished. Unless, she did something like fabricate/tamper with evidence, or lie on the stand, or decide to press charges and lie to investigators, then simply saying bullshit isn't a crime. I can talk about how I was raped and how this person did it all I want, but unless I go to the police and say, "I want to press charges and get an investigation going, then you can't punish me for anything under the law.

This is why the woman in the article I posted was punished for lying. She made up evidence and obstructed justice with her stories, since she took away time and resources from the authorities. Just because someone is making your life hell with lies doesn't necessarily mean they are breaking the law and can be punished under a court of law for it.

It's unfortunate that the lie is a rape accusation and that causes a lot of problems, but lying in and of itself isn't a crime, even if you are lying about about another crime. It only counts if you get the legal thing going, where perjury, obstruction of justice and what not would apply. The only other way a person could be punished for a false rape accusation is if they first went to the media, then they could be charged with slander/libel. Although those crimes are usually tough to charge because you have to prove the person a) knew they were lying and b) had intent to harm by lying to media, then it's actually not hard if there's proof of the lie.

To blow the theory in the bold out of the water, from the link in the OP:

"The girl has since been suspended from Hofstra and charges have been dropped against the alleged rapists."