Werewolf bitches!

[Keith]

Let's do this.
Rescind Luco, Lynch jyms




And JV And I are masons.

is this what you missed Bigred?

[BankItDrew]

What does heuistic and tonal mean?

[jackvance]

What does heuistic and tonal mean?

omg

lynch bid

[BankItDrew]

Welcome to the game!

[GatorJH]

I just finished a deep dive of pages 1-4 and my thoughts are as follows:

Keith was the only one that I got a true villager read from. Everyone else had flaws.

Rilla - his probing posts look very villager but some of his arguments seemed very weak in nature. At the end of the day I would still think he rolls villager more often than wolf

Aubrey - I go back and forth on Aubrey with each group of posts. Many of her posts seem genuine, but when you read a bit deeper don't appear that way. For example there was a series of posts on page 3 where she jumped in and defended me against rilla. On the surface that seems genuine, but why would a villager jump in to heavily defend another villager? She did that on several occasions. The jury is still out on her for me.

rong - posted a bit and nothing stood out one way or the other.

daven - he was all over the place and on the surface looks like a villager but it also seems a bit too much. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a wolf

BID, gabe, hoopy and bigred - nothing substantial at all and any of these could easily be a wolf

luco - seemed to be echoing thoughts more than putting in his own thoughts.

jv and flomo - at this point both of these guys looked suspect which makes me question my read on others because of their outed roles.

Don't forget that this is just the first three pages. I will try to get through the rest of them tomorrow.

[GatorJH]

The first sentence should have read pages 1-3, not 1-4

[BennyLaRue]

Also, can someone explain to me why BID is lock villager?

Who said that? I wouldn't agree with it.

[Hoopy]

Also, can someone explain to me why BID is lock villager?

I still find Flomo's non confirmation and presence odd.

Flomo has confirmed, post #307.

Who said that? I wouldn't agree with it.

He still thinks jack/flomo are viable suspects, the other wolves would have told him they're cleared if he was one. Plus half his posts make no sense which is standard for villager drew.

[OngBonga]

VC 2.2

1 - daven, rong, gator, flomo, luco, aubrey, drew

daven - rilla
rong - daven
gator - hoopy
flomo - drew
luco - gabe
aubrey - rong
drew - jack

not voting - bigred, luco, keith, flomo, benny, aubrey, gator

8 to lynch!

Deadline is Monday 8pm UK, 3pm ET.

[aubreymcfate]

Gator, I wasn't necessarily intent on defending you so much as I was intent on proving why, at the time, I found Rilla's arguments disingenuous (I mean, I agree completely with your latest analysis of him). Also, you know how nervous I was as a wolf, and how much I doublechecked with you, JV, and ong about posts... I think it should be obvious to you two how freely I'm posting now because I don't have a whole team to let down with a stupid post. Yes, clearly my somewhat off-the-cuff posting could be a tactic, but I don't have the confidence to back it up against a wolf team of more experienced players (I believe I am the least experienced one here). I can do things my way now, trial and error, and I have no one to let down.

I still haven't gone through the thread with the knowledge of jyms being a villager, let me do that now....

[aubreymcfate]

jyms: Ya this. Nice catch. Thinking that could be a massive slip up with two threads to follow as a wolf. I think if JV flips wolf we take Aubrey next

​Lynch JV

ja, he found something that made him think that aubrey was a wolf, then voted to lynch jv.
someone else pointed this out too, but no wagon started.

bleh, i don't like this. There was already a wagon on JV so the suspicion was squarely on him.

It's not suspicious that Jyms wanted to vote JV after all the convo that surrounded hi. I believe Keith's big post about me and JV and that PM preceded all this. I was already a big part of why JV looked wolfy, and Luco's observation sealed the deal for Jyms on my wolfiness. Therefore if JV, the prime suspect with whom much of my wolfiness is linked to, turns out wolf, then it logically follows that I should be lynched next.

So I don't buy that, and I think daven could def be wolfing, so I'm going to look more into him... after my obligatory get stoned and watch The League because it's friday break.

[BennyLaRue]

He still thinks jack/flomo are viable suspects, the other wolves would have told him they're cleared if he was one. Plus half his posts make no sense which is standard for villager drew.

That's assuming his buddies were consulted and could even control him. Wolves usually aren't that coordinated and scripted.

He's not the best candidate today but he's not in the clear either.

[gabe]

rescind luco
lynch aubrey


luco is being smart and wordy enough to be a villager. im voting aubrey mostly because she was on the JV bandwagon also and i still think thats the best bet

[flomo]

Flomo has confirmed, post #307.

He still thinks jack/flomo are viable suspects, the other wolves would have told him they're cleared if he was one. Plus half his posts make no sense which is standard for villager drew.

Flawed logic, it is BID you are talking about.

[flomo]

Did Aubrey play the game I modded? Or was that the Game she went awol?

you modded a game and don't know if Aubrey played?

[flomo]

Aubrey 's quote of jv made me read his post again. On the strength of that I'd just like to reiterate that Aubrey was a wolf in my game and I gave the wolves the villager pm at the beginning of the game.

she was a wolf in your game?

[bigred]

What does heuistic and tonal mean?

omg

lynch bid

[bigred]

​LYNCH DAVEN

[flomo]

Possible team wolf?
Gator, Bigred, Rong

some others look a bit wolfy

[BennyLaRue]

Not seeing anything wolfy yet from Keith, gabe or probably BID. I'm content to put flomo and jv in the 95% villager camp. It would be epic and a trip to end game with zero-scrutiny for a wolf team to fake out and post a wiki-article as proof of role but it's too easy for the seer to pick off two wolves with one lookup so it's bad math for them.

Hoopy, daven, rong and rilla, need to see more from them before I make a call. Gator always seems wolfy to me - the tone in his writing is more robotic with short, choppy sentences. That's good metagame in that it hides him as a wolf but sucks when he's a villager.

From the rest (bigred, luco, aubrey), I really like a luco lynch today. Will explain why shortly.

[BennyLaRue]

bigred, what's the reasoning behind daven?

[BennyLaRue]

My Luco Reasoning
by
Benjamin P. LaRue

1) A lot of it is tonal. Pushes for things that favor the wolves but in a laid back manner. In his first post, he pushes for shorter days but "whatever tis all good". Wolves like shorter days. Second post, he wanted Chipeater kept in the game "All we are saaaayiiiiiiing Is give chip a chaaaaaaaaance" because chip has a history of inactivity and wolves like the confusion and lack of information that non-participants provide. Bolded jv for no good reason, keepin it light.

2) Post 110: Confirms daven as villager for 3 consecutive flip-flop posts. These weren't massive flips, rather a poster convinced by someone's reasoning. Weak yet decisive conclusion, a hallmark of wolf in plain sight, made to look like he's analyzing things.

3) Post 114: Wants to know if I've accepted the invite to replace CEM. Why? Because they need to know how to change the wolfplan.

4) After jv outed, wouldn't get off his train. Sure, question it, but you have to rescind in that situation.

5) Post 254: calls bigred "Wolf not paying attention?" Wolves like to cast doubt on everyone but without specifics or facts.

lynch luco

[Luco]

Not seeing anything wolfy yet from Keith, gabe or probably BID. I'm content to put flomo and jv in the 95% villager camp. It would be epic and a trip to end game with zero-scrutiny for a wolf team to fake out and post a wiki-article as proof of role but it's too easy for the seer to pick off two wolves with one lookup so it's bad math for them.

Hoopy, daven, rong and rilla, need to see more from them before I make a call. Gator always seems wolfy to me - the tone in his writing is more robotic with short, choppy sentences. That's good metagame in that it hides him as a wolf but sucks when he's a villager.

From the rest (bigred, luco, aubrey), I really like a luco lynch today. Will explain why shortly.

I quite like this post but the ending is a bit of a bummer

[Luco]

My Luco Reasoning
by
Benjamin P. LaRue

1) A lot of it is tonal. Pushes for things that favor the wolves but in a laid back manner. In his first post, he pushes for shorter days but "whatever tis all good". Wolves like shorter days. Second post, he wanted Chipeater kept in the game "All we are saaaayiiiiiiing Is give chip a chaaaaaaaaance" because chip has a history of inactivity and wolves like the confusion and lack of information that non-participants provide. Bolded jv for no good reason, keepin it light.

2) Post 110: Confirms daven as villager for 3 consecutive flip-flop posts. These weren't massive flips, rather a poster convinced by someone's reasoning. Weak yet decisive conclusion, a hallmark of wolf in plain sight, made to look like he's analyzing things.

3) Post 114: Wants to know if I've accepted the invite to replace CEM. Why? Because they need to know how to change the wolfplan.

4) After jv outed, wouldn't get off his train. Sure, question it, but you have to rescind in that situation.

5) Post 254: calls bigred "Wolf not paying attention?" Wolves like to cast doubt on everyone but without specifics or facts.

lynch luco

1/ my reason for shorter days was as stated. I hadn't considered who would benefit, just remembered 5 days as quiet in the middle. Just glad to be playing. I thought chip may participate this time, nothing more. As for JV, can't even argue that my initial bold wasn't off the cuff, it was.

2/ I said 'likely villager' and stated why.

3/ as a villager I'm not even sure what to say to this theory

4/ JV wasn't getting lynched regardless. Maybe I should have rescinded there but it didn't occur to me at the time, sorry.

5/ I wasn't really serious with that one. Bigred seemingly hadn't read on since the vc, i was kinda poking fun

[Luco]

Overall Benny I'm going to give you a combined score of 19/30, comprised of

8/10 for effort
10/10 for original thinking
1/10 for accuracy

[Hoopy]

it's a shame wuf protected jv over himself. FPS.

Interesting, why do you think it was FPS?

You're also pretty sure that's what happened.

[Hoopy]

Very +EV for the village to have benny switch in for chipeater imo.

Currently feeling suspicious of Gator/daven/rong, that might change when I review the thread.

[Keith]

: Ya this. Nice catch. Thinking that could be a massive slip up with two threads to follow as a wolf. I think if JV flips wolf we take Aubrey next

​Lynch JV

ja, he found something that made him think that aubrey was a wolf, then voted to lynch jv.
someone else pointed this out too, but no wagon started.

bleh, i don't like this. There was already a wagon on JV so the suspicion was squarely on him.

that would make sense if a big reasoned argument had been made. however the wagon that was "squarely" putting suspicion on JV was #155 gator saying JV was in the background and 156 gabe saying

if chip was a wolf he's so much more likely to show up. if Benny gets subbed into the game he's the most likely villager out of everyone. suggesting he would be suspicious is anti village, moreso early in the game. I can't think why jv would push this (if he had made 20 posts I wouldn't think of him as pushing it but he saved his insight for this???)

#159 you come back with quoting that gabe post and the following comment

this is a really good catch.. could be chalked up to JV simply not thinking, which I always like to give the benefit of the doubt to because sometimes I post without thinking things through all the way.. but still, this is a really good catch.

I'll have to look over JV a bit more..

can't you see how opportunistic this appears to be especially as you immediately then wrote

On that note I should add that I wouldn't be surprised if Chip didn't show up even if he was wolf.

why wouldn't you be surprised if he didn't show up even if he was a wolf ? you never explained your reasons for this.
luco then posted about JV only making two posts , Ong then posted to say that chippy hadn't posted
anywhere on the site since the game began and jyms then made his post about you making a mistake with two threads to read.

It's not suspicious that Jyms wanted to vote JV after all the convo that surrounded hi.

why.... there was no big conversation surrounding JV, it was just gator saying that JV was hiding in the background , and gabe saying that it seemed strange for JV to comment on chippy who hadn't posted when he could have commented on everyone else in which case comments on chippy wouldn't stand out. The suspicious bit about what Jyms did was that he said that he thought you made a mistake reading the wolf thread and game thread so he is calling you a wolf but he voted for JV and i called him out on that in #166. gabe and gator had made no reference to the wolves knowing the town pm when they voted for JV since it hadn't come up yet.

I believe Keith's big post about me and JV and that PM preceded all this.

really ? lets look at #172 you quoted JVs #68 and said

here we go, I remembered that he had at least posted a paragraph. And I honestly didn't know he didn't post anything else, it felt like it was more in my mind. So I made a mental note to go look over whatever else he did in this thread. Again... how is that fishy? That I didn't remember someone's post count when the thread is only up to 4 pages? And a lot of it has been back and forth today between me and rilla with some other people involved? That's what was fresh on my mind.

#173

Aubrey 's quote of jv made me read his post again. On the strength of that I'd just like to reiterate that Aubrey was a wolf in my game and I gave the wolves the villager pm at the beginning of the game.

I was already a big part of why JV looked wolfy, and Luco's observation sealed the deal for Jyms on my wolfiness. Therefore if JV, the prime suspect with whom much of my wolfiness is linked to, turns out wolf, then it logically follows that I should be lynched next.

#173 is where aubrey and JV first get linked over being shown the town PM and as you can see its after jyms comment about aubrey but voting jyms, not the other way round as Aubrey is now trying to portay it.THe PM business only came up after aubrey then tried to explain away her throwaway comment about needing to look up JV . My big post linking JV and aubrey didn't appear until #179. you werenn't linked to JV at that stage so luco's post could not have sealed your wolfiness in jyms eyes based on your link to JV, I presume he called you wolfy because of the way your post appeared opportunistic.

So I don't buy that, and I think daven could def be wolfing, so I'm going to look more into him... after my obligatory get stoned and watch The League because it's friday break.

You've totally rewritten what actually happened and when, and now are using your rewrite to try and put suspicion onto Daven. would you like to explain yourself. Was jyms initial post correct?

lynch Aubrey

[OngBonga]

VC 2.3

3 - aubrey - L-5
2 - daven
1 - rong, gator, flomo, drew, luco

(tiebreaks - 2 aubrey - 3 aubrey)

daven - rilla, bigred
rong - daven
gator - hoopy
flomo - drew
luco - benny
aubrey - rong, gabe, keith
drew - jack

not voting - luco, flomo, aubrey, gator

8 to lynch!

Deadline is Monday 8pm UK, 3pm ET (51 hrs)

[aubreymcfate]

Keith, your huge post, post 179, came BEFORE Daven's post, post 231. So yes, there was a lot surrounding JV BEFORE Daven made that post, and BEFORE Jyms decided to lynch JV, the lynch that Daven found so specific. I really have no idea what lot of your post up there is even getting at, but my point was super simple. It was logical for Jyms to lynch JV, despite him saying that I seemed wolfy, because there was more suspicion around JV than me, and a lot of my wolfiness was linked to JV already. So it makes sense that he'd want to lynch JV first, and Daven was, I think, wrong in thinking Jyms was wolfy for lynching JV after remarking something about my wolfiness.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if Chip was a wolf and didn't show up bc Chip is Chip. I really didn't think I needed to explain that? He clearly doesn't take the game seriously - last time he played he posted song lyrics and a weird video, and this time around he only said he'd join as a weird way of forum flirting with me.

[aubreymcfate]

Love how Keith had to post a big panicked defense of Daven though. If Daven flips wolf I'm going for Keith next. Seriously, can anyone else actually read Keith's write up of me and claim it makes sense?

[aubreymcfate]

Right now I'm thinking wolf team: Daven/Luco/Keith/not sure who else...

[Keith]

Keith, your huge post, post 179, came BEFORE Daven's post, post 231. So yes, there was a lot surrounding JV BEFORE Daven made that post, and BEFORE Jyms decided to lynch JV, the lynch that Daven found so specific. I really have no idea what lot of your post up there is even getting at, but my point was super simple. It was logical for Jyms to lynch JV, despite him saying that I seemed wolfy, because there was more suspicion around JV than me, and a lot of my wolfiness was linked to JV already. So it makes sense that he'd want to lynch JV first, and Daven was, I think, wrong in thinking Jyms was wolfy for lynching JV after remarking something about my wolfiness.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if Chip was a wolf and didn't show up bc Chip is Chip. I really didn't think I needed to explain that? He clearly doesn't take the game seriously - last time he played he posted song lyrics and a weird video, and this time around he only said he'd join as a weird way of forum flirting with me.

Jesus ...why didn't you read what i put . Look at the timeline , i know that it is inconvenient for you.

#155 gator says JV is in the background
#156 Gabe points out how weird that JV only comments on chippy not appearing.
#159 AUBREY says she has to look over JV
#162 Luco says that JV only has 2 posts
#164 Jyms lynches JV and says you got confused looking at two threads
#166 I pull Jyms up on that saying that he should have lynched you , not the person that you were talking about
#167 rong says it doesn't luco's quote of your #159 doesn't implicate JV and thinks it shows that you are a wolf
#172 aubrey quotes JV's post
#173 rong says that you were a wolf in the game he modded and he showed you the villager PM .
#179 i show that JV was also a wolf in the game that he modded so you and JV are linked and that is my reason to lynch JV at that time.
#231 daven said "ja, he found something that made him think that aubrey was a wolf, then voted to lynch jv.
someone else pointed this out too, but no wagon started."
#232 daven stated that it was me that had originally pointed out jyms.

Just to reiterate for the befuddled, the only posts surrounding JV were on his absence and comments on chippy ~155,156 , you make a comment about JV#159 and get pulled up on it , jyms voted for JV #164 before it emerges that you were shown the villager PM #173 and i then show that JV had also seen that PM #179. So Daven's #231 is referring to the fact that jyms lynched JV having effectively called you a wolf before all the PM evidence linking you and JV came to light.

Hence you tried to rewrite history once and having been pulled up on it you still try and bluster that you are being wronged and that your account is true. Facts dont lie . go back and actually read the thread for a change and check the timeline and then come back and tell the truth. Your wolfiness surrounding JV regarding the PMs didn't occur until after jyms had lynched JV in preference to you .

[flomo]

Sounds like Aubrey is a Wolf

[BennyLaRue]

Can anyone corroborate dong's post 173, where he states the wolves, including Aubrey, were shown a villager pm in the game he modded? If so, I'll switch. Aubrey was my virgin eyes read.

[aubreymcfate]

Mmmm yeah now I feel a little dumb, sorry about that - been running on no sleep this past week and have done farther dumber things in the process. That was my bad. Lynch away if you guys don't believe me. I'm vanilla so it's not a big loss. Also I got attacked plenty so it should help you guys figure some stuff out.

[Hoopy]

Can anyone corroborate dong's post 173, where he states the wolves, including Aubrey, were shown a villager pm in the game he modded? If so, I'll switch. Aubrey was my virgin eyes read.

Here it is, posted right at the start of his game.

Everyone should have received a PM saying they are a villager. If you didn't then something went wrong so pm me ASAP as I may have to redo the role allocation. If you are a special or wolf then you got a 2nd pm explaining your role.

To be clear, if you only got one pm saying you are a villager then you are a villager.
If you got the villager pm and a 2nd pm, then the second pm is your role.
If you dint get the villager pm then I fucked up so pm me asap.

This is my first time modding so if I've done something stupid or forgotten something pm me.

Thread is open. Don't break the rules.

[Luco]

the best shot we have is a name off that list. gator was first to bold jv, i made a small case for it then everyone else piled on. so theres a wolf between luco/jyms/keith/rilla/aubrey. aubrey is villagery after it turns out jv is clear. rilla is dangerous but valuable.

lynch keith but ill glady switch to the other 2.

The thing is gabe, gator wasn't the first to vote JV - I was. So I'm not sure why you're saying I piled on. In fact, you know I was first, you posted the correct vote order 10 minutes earlier:

we should pick off of that wagon.

voted jv: luco, gator, gabe, jyms, rilla, keith, aubrey

i think we choose between luco, jyms and keith

aubrey is less suspicious because her being a wolf was predicated on a her+jv wolf team.
rescind

What the hell, man?

[Luco]

Lynch aubrey

[jackvance]

I'm going with Daven, he's been pretty absent and flakey. Reminds me of one of his wolf games.

lynch daven

[a500lbgorilla]

All dem wolves in here:

(bigred, bankitdrew, hoopy, luco, jack, rong, gabe, keith, daven, rilla, flomo, benny, aubrey, gator)

Smells like they're still in here:

(bigred,hoopy, luco,gabe,daven,aubrey)

[Hoopy]

Dredging through page 1 and this stood out to me. If aubrey is a wolf and used the PM stuff to try and gain credit then I don't think a wolf would be the first to attack her for it, they would jump on as secondary's though if necessary.

Longer days - the last time I played a 5 day game it felt like each day went quiet in the middle. I think I prefer 3 day games with 4 days for weekends, but whatever tis all good

Town pm - it's to do with villagers using pm referencing to prove their role. It's a cheap shot, so mod points to ong for putting that out there right away. The wolves have a copy of a villager pm that's all - I'm mildly surprised at your question Aubrey.

I'm feeling that the chance luco & aubrey could be wolves together is less after this post.

Also, wtf re aubrey not understanding the villager pm thing. Hasn't some discussion around that been standard for a good few games now.

Aubrey, you're a shady mother. Pretending not to know stuff...

lynch aubrey

I just spent an hour looking through old games trying to find out if Aubrey had been in a game where the villager PM had been used/discussed but I just got side tracked reading old games and I'm none the wiser.

No she was a wolf.

And I made a point of showing the wolves the villager pm and stating that I did so in the game thread.

I think it unlikely Aubrey would not get that statement from the op. I do think it's something she'd do as a wolf to get villager points. Plus I got nothing better.

lynch Aubrey

Rest of the people who called her out on page 1.

[Hoopy]

Not feeling an aubrey lynch right now.

rescind Gator
lynch daven

[BennyLaRue]

Yeah, the lack of discussion on Aubrey makes me feel like we're down the wrong track. The wolves are just letting us level ourselves.

Need to see some reasoning from people - villagers reason their way into decisions and lay the evidence for them being villagers. Wolves don't. Daven, rilla, bigred, we need more from you guys.

[jackvance]

If aubrey is a wolf and used the PM stuff to try and gain credit

I don't think I've ever seen a wolf use this kind of play. Not that aubrey can't be a wolf but then it'd probably still be accidental.

[a500lbgorilla]

Yeah, the lack of discussion on Aubrey makes me feel like we're down the wrong track. The wolves are just letting us level ourselves.

Need to see some reasoning from people - villagers reason their way into decisions and lay the evidence for them being villagers. Wolves don't. Daven, rilla, bigred, we need more from you guys.

I don't think the village has made any mistakes today. And we don't yet know the sort of wolf team we're up against. They may not be trying anything for lack of any good sense of what to do.

I like the aubrey lynch, more than my daven case. I don't think she quits as a vanilla villager. If she makes mistakes and gets called out on them, so what? They aren't real mistakes to villagers and there are many other avenues to push to correct those who are putting a wolf case on you. If you're a wolf and get caught up in mistakes of in thread information, that's where you might feel like throwing in the flag. Because you're caught and you're a wolf.

Daven popped right in when I laid my case on him and half ignored it, kept up his usual self before disappearing once again. It basically didn't change anything.

The only interesting point today is Luco. When I went through the last three games, I saw one where Luco arooo'd at the end and played day 1 in a manner I would read as villager. So I absolved myself of the read I made yesterday.

It's been a pretty low key game all around. And after my initial run of piecing together information, the excitement of the game drained from me and I've just been waiting for the day to pick up again.

[a500lbgorilla]

Not feeling an aubrey lynch right now.

rescind Gator
lynch daven

What aren't you feeling about the aubrey lynch?

[gabe]

rescind because after rereading aubrey seems like she would post that stuff naturally as a villager. luco and hoopy also seem like theyre authentically digging. none of rongs posts are wolfy. benny is 99% villager after the whole substitution thing. rilla i hope is a villager

theres not much battling which means we probably havent really pressed a wolf. keith has been the most defensive in the thread so thats wolfy. i could be down with a daven lynch or maybe drew...

[a500lbgorilla]

Love how Keith had to post a big panicked defense of Daven though. If Daven flips wolf I'm going for Keith next. Seriously, can anyone else actually read Keith's write up of me and claim it makes sense?

Keith is always like this. And as Keith is always a villager, until I see Keith being unlike himself, I figure he reads straightforward.

[gabe]

What aren't you feeling about the aubrey lynch?

it stems from her asking a question immediately on day 1. she would probably be alot more careful as a wolf. that post alone makes her 90+% village so we have better options

[gabe]

Keith is always like this. And as Keith is always a villager, until I see Keith being unlike himself, I figure he reads straightforward.

yea his hallmark is longwinded and defensive walls of text but his tone has varying degrees of forcefulness that are correlated with wolfiness

[a500lbgorilla]

I'd bet you that if you look for people who are active in the front end and back end of these long days, you'll find wolves. People who are hacking at it in the boring middle - villagers.

[a500lbgorilla]

Bankitdrews night posts read really honestly, as well. And knowing Bankitdrew is much more likely to make an honest mistake than hatch a nefarious plot, that nightrun on wuf has me pretty comfortable with him being a villager.

[BennyLaRue]

Which brings us to bigred. Has he ever presented rational thought like he has this game? I've certainly never seen it before.

[BennyLaRue]

The change in bigred's style could mean he's a special, but the change in behavior means the wolves would see it too a la wufanugy, so I'll say we can risk speaking plainly about it.

[a500lbgorilla]

Bigred is not himself. Villager bigred has historically been very carefree about everything to the point of being truly detrimental to the village. This game, he has been very clear about how he is going to move and sort of why. But the why's are always rather vague. I'd bet if you sat down to map out how his reads have moved over time, they've been consistent throughout which I would count as wolfy.

[gabe]

bigreds posts contain nothing

Also, can someone explain to me why BID is lock villager?

I still find Flomo's non confirmation and presence odd.

the fact they contain nothing and then he says flomo being MIA is odd makes me think bigred is projecting his absentee wolfism

he also said that since he likes picking off people on the JV bandwagon. we've kinda aimed at people on this wagon and nothing seems to take off (which if there is no wolf there, it explains the lack of fervor in this thread). bigred didnt seem wolfy at the time of posting, but with the development of the thread, he does

lynch bigred

[gabe]

benny inspired that post^, not rilla. but im glad you agree!

[OngBonga]

VC 2.4

4 - daven - L-4
3 - aubrey
1 - rong, flomo, luco, bigred

(tiebreaks - 2, 3, 4 aubrey)

daven - rilla, bigred, jack, hoopy
rong - daven
flomo - drew
luco - benny
aubrey - rong, keith, luco
bigred - gabe

not voting - flomo, aubrey, gator

8 to lynch!

Deadline is Monday 8pm UK, 3pm ET (25 hrs 40 mins)

[BennyLaRue]

Working on something...do you guys agree that wolves generally don't say definitive things about the other wolves at first, ie. they don't say X is a a wolf or Y is a villager? The one exception I think is unless the villager is really good and intimidating - they might call that player a villager to gain favor.

[a500lbgorilla]

Is it me or does the wolf to villager ratio seem to high? AND THESE DAYS ARE TOO DAMN LONG /meme

lynch flomo cause I think he's a wolf

Wait. Gator's playing?

rescind flomo lynch gator

You shut your mouth when you're talking to me, Gator

Bigred wolfin'. He starts out day 1 like normal, but by the end of the day, he's very careful in his moves.

rescind hoopy, lynch luco

I'm ok with this bandwagon. If we're going for JV bandwagoners, I like Luco more than Keith et all

I think I prefer Jymz to Luco. I don't like the list of Luco voters.

He has one run of posts where it appears like he's working in the middle. I'll take another look at them later. But at the end of the day, when votes and wagons are coming in and the days action is on the rise, he only likes or doesn't like wagons and once he drops his own hoopy read, he's just riding the waves as the village settles on a lynch but is careful to make sure others know why he's moving. Normal bigred would easily be more flippant in this spot.

[a500lbgorilla]

Working on something...do you guys agree that wolves generally don't say definitive things about the other wolves at first, ie. they don't say X is a a wolf or Y is a villager? The one exception I think is unless the villager is really good and intimidating - they might call that player a villager to gain favor.

Unless they hatch a scheme to run at each other which a wolf team very successfully did once, I think the natural tendency is to have an almost blindspot for other wolves. They're there, and you'll acknowledge them, but they aren't part of the game you're trying to play.

[a500lbgorilla]

Does Jyms wolf have a "go after gabe early in the game" card up his sleeve? I'm thinking no.

Well, his reads were inconsistent. He gave jyms a villager nod for running at gabe, but eventually found himself liking that wagon.

[a500lbgorilla]

After a few rescans of the first few pages, this is the biggest red flag to me. Asking people who they think are wolfy is a great way to be "involved" without revealing too much. Good wolf tactics. lynch hoopy

The only stronger argument I agree with for a day 1 lynch is Gabe's point about lynching a JV bandwagoner. Wolves would love to get a villager JV killed early on.

I think I like an Aubrey lynch the most from that list with Luco right behind. I don't buy Aubrey's early PM questions.

These are the only two posts where bigred is putting forward his villager self. Though hoopy's post is asking aubrey for reads which doesn't match his interpretation of it.

He likes going after JV wagoners and for good reason and even lists Aubrey > Luco > *

At the end of the day, he went from Hoopy to Luco while Aubrey's wagon was viable. Really, he wasn't there for the end of the day. He set down his vote and wasn't there while the village resolved its lynch. Highly suspicious!

[a500lbgorilla]

These are the only two posts where bigred is putting forward his villager self. Though hoopy's post is asking aubrey for reads which doesn't match his interpretation of it.

I misunderstood his post when I first read it so this is wrong. I thought he meant that asking questions to the field is a good way to look involved and that hoopy's question was directed at one person didn't match.

[flomo]

BigRed, Gator and rong
we should press on those 3

[OngBonga]

23 hrs 30 mins

[Hoopy]

What aren't you feeling about the aubrey lynch?

That it's based on one thing which wolves don't usually do (as JV said), and not much else.

What do you think of daven?

[Hoopy]

BigRed, Gator and rong
we should press on those 3

A bigred wagon would be good.

rescind daven
lynch bigred

[jackvance]

I'm down with a bigred lynch as well. That glimmer of insightfulness he sometimes shows as a villager is missing and I have a whole bunch of probably-villager reads on other people. Still not sure what to think of gabe or the fact that he's costarting the br wagon, still suspicious of Gator (perhaps influenced by his strong wolf streak idk) and daven.
Unless something else develops I'll probably switch to bigred in a few hours.

Oh and I'm still curious to hear why daven was so certain in saying that wuf protected me. It's possible but we don't really know do we?

[GatorJH]

Keith, your huge post, post 179, came BEFORE Daven's post, post 231. So yes, there was a lot surrounding JV BEFORE Daven made that post, and BEFORE Jyms decided to lynch JV, the lynch that Daven found so specific. I really have no idea what lot of your post up there is even getting at, but my point was super simple. It was logical for Jyms to lynch JV, despite him saying that I seemed wolfy, because there was more suspicion around JV than me, and a lot of my wolfiness was linked to JV already. So it makes sense that he'd want to lynch JV first, and Daven was, I think, wrong in thinking Jyms was wolfy for lynching JV after remarking something about my wolfiness.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if Chip was a wolf and didn't show up bc Chip is Chip. I really didn't think I needed to explain that? He clearly doesn't take the game seriously - last time he played he posted song lyrics and a weird video, and this time around he only said he'd join as a weird way of forum flirting with me.

Love how Keith had to post a big panicked defense of Daven though. If Daven flips wolf I'm going for Keith next. Seriously, can anyone else actually read Keith's write up of me and claim it makes sense?

Right now I'm thinking wolf team: Daven/Luco/Keith/not sure who else...

These four quotes make me believe Aubrey is a wolf. One of her flaws from the last game she was a wolf was reacting too quickly when she was attacked and has done that in this game as well. She also had a habit of trying to deflect the heat to multiple people in the hopes that it wouldn't look bad when she jumped on one of them. She does that above as well.

Yeah, the lack of discussion on Aubrey makes me feel like we're down the wrong track. The wolves are just letting us level ourselves.

Benny, I am not sure I agree with this. The wolves could sit back and wait to see if another bandwagon forms before acting so they don't get accused of derailing Aubrey's once she dies and is seen to be a wolf.

I don't think I've ever seen a wolf use this kind of play. Not that aubrey can't be a wolf but then it'd probably still be accidental.

IIRC she did this in the game we were both wolves.

I haven't seen anything to make me believe Aubrey is a villager.

lynch aubrey

[GatorJH]

I'm down with a bigred lynch as well. That glimmer of insightfulness he sometimes shows as a villager is missing and I have a whole bunch of probably-villager reads on other people. Still not sure what to think of gabe or the fact that he's costarting the br wagon, still suspicious of Gator (perhaps influenced by his strong wolf streak idk) and daven.
Unless something else develops I'll probably switch to bigred in a few hours.

Oh and I'm still curious to hear why daven was so certain in saying that wuf protected me. It's possible but we don't really know do we?

I can't believe I am defending bigred, but hear goes. The last game I went after bigred early because he wasn't participating and was called out on it because he had added a ton of value in the previous game (I wasn't in that game), therefore I backed off. If he is really trying to add value I think we should give it a day or two and see if he either slips up or adds enough value to show he is more likely to be a villager than a wolf.

[flomo]

lynch rong

[BennyLaRue]

I can't believe I am defending bigred, but hear goes. The last game I went after bigred early because he wasn't participating and was called out on it because he had added a ton of value in the previous game (I wasn't in that game), therefore I backed off. If he is really trying to add value I think we should give it a day or two and see if he either slips up or adds enough value to show he is more likely to be a villager than a wolf.

Which game are you talking about?

[BennyLaRue]

Some good discussion today. I'll probably be unable to post tomorrow.

I'm still feeling strongly about luco, Aubrey and bigred but the luco discussion went nowhere. Aubrey's contribution has been limited to posts defending herself and throwing accusations back at her accusers. If we lynch bigred, we can do practically nothing with the info gathered by her train, since it's mostly about seemingly catching a smoking gun rather than a series of logical conclusions. So, I say rescind luco, lynch Aubrey because I think we'll get more from the Aubrey reveal/bigred derail on Day 3 than we would the other way around.