5nlz - AA OOP QJJJ5

[The Bean Counter]

I didn't c-bet because it's a really shitty flop to c-bet imo. Villains flatting ranges just hit this board so much better than mine. I want to be c-betting my Jx, draws and utter crap imo. I think hands from weak 2pair (i.e 22) or better I should just be checking and trying to get cheap showdown.

It also really isn't a board where weaker hands in villains range are going to try and get out of line over multiple streets with bluffs.

Villains possible Qx and Jx

AQ (6) KQ (12)
18

AJ (4) KJ (8) QJ (6) TJ (8) JJ (1)
27

Also most likely to 3bet AQ & KQ & JJ if he is going to 3bet any of those hands pre which some % of the time will happen.

KT and T9s make the flop a pretty clear value bet and that's even before we start going a bit wider for AT and other gutshots. I would also massively discount any villain at 5nl 3betting AQ/KQ/JJ pre, especially versus an EP open.

Not sure why you would ever be cbetting this flop multiway with "utter crap" too when you say this smashes the two villains' flatting range?

[OngBonga]

KT and T9s make the flop a pretty clear value bet and that's even before we start going a bit wider for AT and other gutshots. I would also massively discount any villain at 5nl 3betting AQ/KQ/JJ pre, especially versus an EP open.

This is flawed too, imo. For a start, KT is a great hand for villain to hold, because he's four outering. If he calls KT on this flop, and then hits broadway, we fill up and clean him out, because if he's drawing on this board, then he's probably not good enough to avoid paying off a boat.

And people are 3betting AQ KQ JJ at 5nl, even vs ep opens, because most people are bad players who are not positionally aware, thus they are not considering hero opening in such position to be opening a tighter range. They see AQ and think "yeah I have a great hand" and pay no attention to who is raising from where.

That said, I do feel like there's plenty of value at flop, so I'd probably cbet. I don't hate hero's line though, but after this turn I'm drooling and want stacks in.