There will always be a debate about HUDs
Like Scottish Independence or Fox Hunting there are supporters for each side.
Was the Fox hurt less or were the Hunters less cruel when it was legal?
Previously some people didn't like having to accept others could go fox hunting, now some people don't like having to accept they can no longer enjoy their traditional sport. (btw I couldn't give a toss either way).
That is just an example of the temporary nature of rules and laws, and rights and wrongs. (I could equally have used The Inquisition, 1940s german laws, or 1940s english law and gay marriage as examples of changing legal and moral standpoints).
The point is that what's allowed or enforced at some point in time isn't always right.
The poker sites have made their rules and exceptions for their own reasons which we have to tolerate, but it doesn't mean it will always be right or that we have to agree with it or like it, we merely have to begrudgingly accept the current position.
But I do have a strong opinion about being forced to compete with or else pay to learn and use something I don't agree with.
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Firstly if HUDs suck so much why are so many people using them?
as mentioned 'the others are using them, so you have to (use them and) be able (have the ability) to use them in the same way .. to survive at those levels online.
secondly because many believe they can gain an advantage by using them.
Computer assistance tools are not allowed but most sites make an exception for HM and PT. Why?
Because it is a tool allowing people to play more tables. As such they allow players to play more hands and generate more rake.
- are available for everyone to use. (This is such a poor excuse on so many levels);
They are not built in to the client, they have to be bought at costs prohibitive to micro players, and have to be known about, some people are still not aware of their existence, in particular beginners will probably not be aware.
Any other tools could also be bought or acquired for free and thus be available to everyone.
They are also pushing their boundaries by now adding automated computer generated notes on players and even timing tells.
(addon, additional cost modules may apply). How far can the rules be bent?
HUDs and trackers are a (un)necessary evil.
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In this case I guess we are on opposite sides of the debate,
but I should have quoted 'cheats' as it wasn't meant in a literal sense.
I appreciate the stuff you did to expose people, though I was disappointed at the time that pokerstars didn't recognise that it wasn't just you that was materially disadvantaged, but that the whole game had been compromised and all the players disadvantaged. And that some of us had been disadvantaged by that group on several previous occasions. But probably should have got of my backside and submitted a complaint myself after you had exposed them. At least thanks to your efforts we won't be compromised by them in the future. I wouldn't be so crass as to point out that the ringleader was a staunch supporter of the pro HUD side of the debate in a shameless attempt to discredit its supporters, nor contrarily admit a begrudging respect for Keith on topics other than this debate.
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