1) He opens 22% UTG, but kinda passive postflop. I think KTdd and KJdd play exactly like this. For some reason the fact I blocked KQdd, and that he might have just a naked Kd bluff made me call at the last second but meh!
1) He opens 22% UTG, but kinda passive postflop. I think KTdd and KJdd play exactly like this. For some reason the fact I blocked KQdd, and that he might have just a naked Kd bluff made me call at the last second but meh!
Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J 3 folds, Hero raises to $10, SB raises to $40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $100, SB raises to $172.50, Hero raises to $1,016.89 (All-In), SB calls $553.40 (All-In)
Flop: ($1,456.80) K, 9, 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Turn: ($1,456.80) K (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($1,456.80) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $1,456.80 | Rake: $2.80
Results below:
Spoiler:
Hero had J, J (two pair, Kings and Jacks).
SB had A, A (two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: SB won $1,454
1) I think preflop is a 3bet/fold but regardless you are too far up in your flushes to fold here if you are calling down to 76s preflop and value betting all flushes 3 streets.
He has enough KdXx to over bluff the river given he has 4 combo's max for value, and 6 potential bluffs. This ignores range splitting, but if someone bets the Kx with a flush draw some amount then perhaps they are also betting their off suit KdXx so the two sort of cancel each other out.
Its possible he can even have less total combos of flushes on the river, and still always have 6 combos of Kx to jam over if he never bets the flop with Kx combo's that can't value bet 3 streets on a blank run out. So then it becomes a question of, is this the type of player to consistently miss bluff spots like this on the river in big pots when they come up? If we think it is let's just quietly muck, or perhaps hedge the situation and flip a coin on whether we should be defending GTOish here to account for running into an opponent who is actually over bluffing these nut blocker situations despite empirical evidence contradicting that assumption.
I'd assume anyone breakeven or losing, who is 4 tabling zoom is under bluffing. Anyone who is a known winner is potentially over bluffing, but probably working on their game enough to try and be pseudo balanced, and thus may be capable of working out on the fly what fraction of Kd they should bluff. Knowing who is who involves digging the forums a bit.
2) You're just super crushed vs a typical 5bet CIB from OOP value range so certainly you'll make more $ calling. Jam is potentially losing money, and probably just breakeven at best. I'd be surprised if people have worked out their ranges in this spot to be properly balanced.
Last edited by Micro2Macro; 10-22-2014 at 09:23 PM.
1) I think preflop is a 3bet/fold but regardless you are too far up in your flushes to fold here if you are calling down to 76s preflop and value betting all flushes 3 streets.
He has enough KdXx to over bluff the river given he has 4 combo's max for value, and 6 potential bluffs. This ignores range splitting, but if someone bets the Kx with a flush draw some amount then perhaps they are also betting their off suit KdXx so the two sort of cancel each other out.
Its possible he can even have less total combos of flushes on the river, and still always have 6 combos of Kx to jam over if he never bets the flop with Kx combo's that can't value bet 3 streets on a blank run out. So then it becomes a question of, is this the type of player to consistently miss bluff spots like this on the river in big pots when they come up? If we think it is let's just quietly muck, or perhaps hedge the situation and flip a coin on whether we should be defending GTOish here to account for running into an opponent who is actually over bluffing these nut blocker situations despite empirical evidence contradicting that assumption.
I'd assume anyone breakeven or losing, who is 4 tabling zoom is under bluffing. Anyone who is a known winner is potentially over bluffing, but probably working on their game enough to try and be pseudo balanced, and thus may be capable of working out on the fly what fraction of Kd they should bluff. Knowing who is who involves digging the forums a bit.
2) You're just super crushed vs a typical 5bet CIB from OOP value range so certainly you'll make more $ calling. Jam is potentially losing money, and probably just breakeven at best. I'd be surprised if people have worked out their ranges in this spot to be properly balanced.
Awesome post, thank you This opened my eyes at how old-school I have become in just 2 years not playing.
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Originally Posted by Alexos
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This opened my eyes at how old-school I have become in just 2 years not playing.
