Ultimate Werewolf

[monstrman]

I like possibly both Gabe and Monstr as wolves. I was looking it over, and it's kinda weak, but it could be a thing

You really think that gabe and I as w/w sit there and he opens the vote with "lynch monstrman always" and I don't bus him back?

I'll be real and honest here: As a wolf I always bus back. If one of my partners were to open the thread with a vote on me I'd be on their asses like white on rice.

[monstrman]

I think MMM is a villager and I think there's at least one wolf on his wagon jumping onto it with little reasoning because it's easy to do. This is especially if not EVEN MORE true if daven is actually a wolf because obviously they're jumping on MMM to save him.

I think I like MMM, Bid, baud and dhub as my villagers with slight tone reads on rong leaning that direction as well.

[OngBonga]

If I were a wolf who knew mojo was villager, I'd probably be suggesting in the den that the wolves should be able to dodge the mislynch wagon.

[wufwugy]

I'll be real and honest here: As a wolf I always bus back. If one of my partners were to open the thread with a vote on me I'd be on their asses like white on rice.

I'm glad I posted that because I think this point is probably sincere to what you truly would have done

Gabe has been known to open against fellow wolves, so it was something worth looking at

[dhubermex]

Dhuber & BID ... Listen to your gut and hop off the MMM wagon if there's a doubt about your vote. What's left will certainly leave at least 2, maybe 3 wolves sitting on MMM. There's no way the 4 sitting on Daven right now are wolves. Your 2 adds would make a solid 6-pack!!

I wouldn't mind doing this if I had any doubt about my decision. MMM is a cinch-vote for me. At the end of last game when barbs/apologies were being handed out, I was going to post something like, "You'll be fine MMM, you might have to take a Day #1 lynch next game but just put it behind you and move forward." I decided not to because I didn't want to harp on the topic and felt MMM had just made a simple mistake.

MMM's Villager style, even when compared to any typical Villager who's ever played in the games I've seen here on FTR, is very, very, self-absorbed. That's saying something because the V-on-V violence has been heavy in some of the recent games due to Villagers not wavering from their reads. I'm doing the same right now as a matter of fact, but there's plain justification for it.

Aside from MMM's "hoopy wants a quick game" and "solo win condition" posts, I'm personally uncomfortable reaching even mid-game with him even if he is a Villager. Mind you, I have no anger over what happened last match, think MMM is a great guy personally and all that, but I do have a strategy-related fear over it. I'm sure that will pass in time, but right now going deep in this match with MMM still around is a nightmare scenario, even if he is a Villager. If he's a Wolf or CV, then even better, but does anyone else agree with me that an MMM-Villager is going to be -EV for the Village this match due to recent memories?

BID, if you want to switch to daven no hard feelings obviously. I'm sticking with MMM lynch and hope like heck he gets a Day #1 neck-wringing. There is obviously some legitimacy to Ong's point that there may be some resentment over last match behind his big wagon, but those two comments by MMM that I've quoted outweigh any spite-lynching motivations in my opinion.

[OngBonga]

I'm gonna go on record and say I think mojo is a villager. However I really think his comments are going to cause problems for us in later game if we let him off the hook. And besides, just because I'm having doubts, doesn't means he actually is a villager.

But if mojo is a villager, well there was such momentum against him that there would be no reason for the wolves to get involved, they could just sit back and let it happen, knowing they avoid scrutiny for the way the wagon built. That's what I'd do, and it's what I'd be suggesting the other wolves do. An all villager mislynch on d1 is the perfect start for the wolves, especially if it's a majority lynch.

[OngBonga]

My point is that if we lynch mojo and he's a villager, those who dodged the wagon are probably more worthy of scrutiny than those who were on it.

[wufwugy]

I'm good with switching to Daven, but it doesn't matter. He'll be my d2 open bold. I specifically think that he's a wolf who thinks MMM is cursed.

It's probably better to be uncomplicated about it, because MMM really does have to go. His cursed equity is way too high

[baudib]

I'm not saying it's impossible or even implausible, but I'm not on board with Ong's theory here. The MMM wagon took off so quickly I'd be surprised if it was all villagers.

I like how Ong thinks MMM is a villager and is voting him and saying this. Could be a TMI leak here.

[baudib]

Of the people voting for MMM, I think BID's vote was the wolfiest.

[baudib]

The sudden surge in votes on Daven probably gives MMM more wolf equity tbh

[OngBonga]

I'm not saying it's impossible or even implausible, but I'm not on board with Ong's theory here. The MMM wagon took off so quickly I'd be surprised if it was all villagers.

I like how Ong thinks MMM is a villager and is voting him and saying this. Could be a TMI leak here.

I'm already playing pretty fucking ballsy if I'm a wolf, when I can just sit back after saying I was gonna take it easy.

One person has already explained precisely why I'm a villager, in one short and simple sentence.

[wufwugy]

^^^Aubrey's at least tied with wolfiest. She has done the exact same thing as a wolf

Granted I don't remember her vil games and there is a possibility that she would do some highly wolfy things as a villager anyways

[wufwugy]

^^^Aubrey's at least tied with wolfiest. She has done the exact same thing as a wolf

Granted I don't remember her vil games and there is a possibility that she would do some highly wolfy things as a villager anyways

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[wufwugy]

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[wufwugy]

One person has already explained precisely why I'm a villager, in one short and simple sentence.

What is that?

[wufwugy]

I'm already playing pretty fucking ballsy if I'm a wolf, when I can just sit back after saying I was gonna take it easy.

But you are taking it easy

[dhubermex]

I'm not saying it's impossible or even implausible, but I'm not on board with Ong's theory here. The MMM wagon took off so quickly I'd be surprised if it was all villagers.

I'm glad you posted this as I agree. Also agree with Post #386.

[baudib]

I'm already playing pretty fucking ballsy if I'm a wolf, when I can just sit back after saying I was gonna take it easy.

One person has already explained precisely why I'm a villager, in one short and simple sentence.

Can you elaborate? Is it the open trolling?

I have you as neutral because you've done some wolfy things and also some somewhat villagery things. Is this you sitting back or is it playing ballsy? I can't really tell based on your own description.

[OngBonga]

Aubrey is a villager. She's the person who has nailed me as villager for exactly the right reason. I guess she could be a wolf who thinks I've already shown my hand and is buddying me, but I doubt it. I believe her.

[OngBonga]

Can you elaborate? Is it the open trolling?

I have you as neutral because you've done some wolfy things and also some somewhat villagery things. Is this you sitting back or is it playing ballsy? I can't really tell based on your own description.

I'm mostly sitting back. It's not easy for me to take a back seat.

[baudib]

If I were a wolf who knew mojo was villager, I'd probably be suggesting in the den that the wolves should be able to dodge the mislynch wagon.

ok thinking about it, Wolf Ong is somewhat unlikely to make this post, unless he is W-W with MMM (remember how quick he was to get on my shit last game, and Rilla) or he and ALL of the wolves are on MMM right now.

[baudib]

I'm mostly sitting back. It's not easy for me to take a back seat.

you realize this makes you more likely to go deep, amirite. and if you go deep as a villager you're gonna bust your fucking balls no matter what your role and you know it.

so i'm saying, it's never too early to go hard in the paint.

[baudib]

you realize this makes you more likely to go deep, amirite. and if you go deep as a villager you're gonna bust your fucking balls no matter what your role and you know it.

so i'm saying, it's never too early to go hard in the paint.

i meant to say at first "if you go deep as a villager" and as i was typing it realized that, no, ong would work hard no matter what his role.

[BankItDrew]

This feels like the game I needed to have on FTR

Survive D1?

the main point is that I don't want to be discussing this shit on d4. I'd prefer you to be long dead.

This +1 re:MMM

He'll be a distraction in future days where he'll be the reason for a wagon every day.

My village strong reads include Luco and Dhuber right now.

I'm about 60 posts behind right now and will update myself tonight.

[baudib]

Hoopy are we having open thread at night?

[Keith]

MMM is going to be a distraction on later days. Its telling that his wagon has stalled with people (like keybored) campaigning for an alternate. Why would the wolves want to kill MMM. he is likely to distract the village on future days and if he does get lynched and comes back as cursedwe have to examine those not on his wagon closely. why didn't they want the potential wolf recruit to die?.

[OngBonga]

baudib don't assume that me taking it easy means I'm not going to do anything pro-village. I'm still 2nd or 3rd in the post count list, and that's with me trying to not post all the time. It's not like I'm being lazy.

[daven]

ok, so i'm going through the thread - 50 posts in right now. First goal is to try and figure what is going on with the MMM vs cursed thing. MMM looks spew and we'll be debating what his day 1 posts mean as long as he stays alive and the cursed villager isn't outed somehow. If he's villager then using the lone wolf terminology in his post was just bad cos it means he's an easy wagon for wolves to hide on, and for good reasons. However, if he's actually cursed wolf then it's awesome cos it means we lynch the cursed wolf before the wolves get to convert him.



However, mmm can definitely flip villager, if that happens my money is on Ong being the cursed villager. See posts 33 and 35 to see his messages to this effect, and then his repeat in posts 51 and 52. Cute ong. In fact, enough for me to want to lynch him.



I don't think we'll gain any information from lynching mmm, i do think that lynching him might be day 1 optimal. Assuming he's not a wolf in the den then the wolves are kinda freerolling on his lynch. Either they get on his wagon and lynch him and he flips cursed, but was never going to last long enough for cursed to be powerful anyway, or they get on his wagon and he flips villager and they've all managed to survive day 1.

[daven]

post 5 from dhubermex still seems off, the 'yet another' vanilla vs how many times has he been wolf vs villager?

[daven]

i like the similarity between monstr and wuf

Hi my name is monstrman and this is me reacting.

ohai i'm wufwugy etc

[Keybored]

MMM is going to be a distraction on later days. Its telling that his wagon has stalled with people (like keybored) campaigning for an alternate. Why would the wolves want to kill MMM. he is likely to distract the village on future days and if he does get lynched and comes back as cursedwe have to examine those not on his wagon closely. why didn't they want the potential wolf recruit to die?.

First wolf to cry out, folks.

Keith, I'm not campaigning for an "alternate" to MoMo. I'm saying MoMo's not a wolf and my vote is better off sitting on someone who IS wolfy. I'm NOT voting for someone who is "likely" to be a distraction later. Your "if" he get's lynched and "then" comes back to (potentially) flip "cursed" statement is super weak and not to your usual standard. You speak very seldom and very little, so every word has to be "examined" closely. Therefore, here's my read: Wolf Keith started the MoMo lynch D1 thinking it's a free wolf kill with absolutely no backlash. If I was a wolf, it woulda been my first vote, no question. Keith, I'm not stalling. I'm saying you motivated the wolves to pounce on the weakest known player and you made the first vote along that line.

BID, you're 60 posts behind? Yet you come out above and town on Ong/Luco/Dhuber?? Not cool.

What's this business about MMM being a distraction later? Are we talking about his surrender last game? Cuz that's bullshit. The dude's a scientist ffs. His whole life is about experimentation and learning from trial/error. If anything, he's the absolute last person who'll quit or waffle late game after that life lesson. And keep in mind, he fought tooth/nail the entire way last game after all the "superpowers" were waylaid along the trail. Are we worried about his early feint this game? Why? First, he didn't run away from defeat/shame last game. Second, he obv worked in the off season to sharpen his game. Third, he came here with a new approach (as others here have espoused also). And finally, he tried a bold new move. Now, I completely agree, his entire first page is awful, but I'm looking at the whole person.

Folks, the MMM wagon is built on a false foundation created by wolves who obv made the conscious plan to pounce on the weakest player. DO NOT BE FOOLED.

[bigred]

#day1problems

[bigred]

JKDS and Keith...awfully quiet

Bigred, awfully awesome

[bigred]

VOTE PATTERN:

Player <> Lynch Votee <> Post#

MMM <> *BAUDIB* <> 2
BAUDIB <> DAVEN <> 11
MMM <> *ONG* <> 14
WUF <> *DHUBER* <> 17
KEITH <> MMM <> 29
MMM <> *DHUBER* <> 39
MMM <> WUF <> 42
WUF <> MMM <> 43
DHUBER <> *MMM* <> 48
DAVEN <> *DHUBER* <> 54
KEYB <> *MMM* <> 60
GABE <> MONSTR <> 63
ONG <> *BIGRED* <> 100
KEYB <> DAVEN <> 177
DAVEN <> WUF <> 192
RONG <> MMM <> 194
DHUBER <> MMM <> 221
BIGRED <> AUBREY <> 225
AUBREY <> MMM <> 241
BID <> MMM <> 242
ONG <> MMM <> 280
LUCO <> DAVEN <> 284

*--* = Rescinded Vote

MMM has: 7 (Keith, Wuf, Rong, Dhuber, Aubrey, BID, Ong)
Daven has: 3 (Baud, Keyb, Luco)
Wuf has: 2 (MMM, Daven)
Monstr has: 1 (Gabe)
Aubry has: 1 (Bigred)

Non-Voters: JKDS, Monstr

This is pretty intense research. Not sure what it means in terms of value to the village. But you sure are putting in your dues...

[daven]

Feveryone just seems to kind of assess that he has a 180 attitude of the last game and otherwise ignore him completely, which makes him seem like a topic of discussion but not really a serious one.

you did see the comment he made that looked like him signalling that he's lone wolf right?
ja, you're wolf and you don't want a possible/probable cursed villager to be the lynch

[baudib]

BigRed, WW has changed a lot since you've last played. We lunch wolves on D1 now and stuff.

Also, Keybored worked his ass off last game as a wolf so LOL u for giving him villa points for that.

[Hoopy]

Hoopy are we having open thread at night?

We are, nights will last 24hrs.

[daven]

So I decided to pseudo-spew in a strong way under the assumption that honest villagers would see right through me, and dishonest wolves would try to latch onto it.

Did wuf fall for the trap? YOU DECIDE!!

Who said that?

Wuf said that.

***

Daven said it, too.

You're smart. So you'd put something in your original trap-post that you'd be able to point to to say 'see, it was a trap all along'. But you didn't. I think you're a normal wolf, and that this was an attempt to assist your team in identifying the cursed villager - anyone who called you out on being cursed is obviously not cursed themselves. Yeah, you're wolf. You, monstr, wuf, and ong is the cursed villager. Game over, thanks for coming.

[daven]

re my post 411, logic also holds that monstr won't want a fellow wolf to be the lynch either

[baudib]

So Daven just reeks of agenda IMO. I have to be honest, I said MMM has by far the most Cursed equity but I haven't actually thought about who else could be Cursed.

Villagers out there, how much Cursed hunting have you been done? I haven't thought about it because wolves/Cursed are essentially the same. Also, I sent Wufwugy $19.99 in Paypal for his Villaging For Dummies book, and it says that we should lunch the wolfiest players. Solid advice, worth the money, would read again.

ok, so i'm going through the thread - 50 posts in right now. First goal is to try and figure what is going on with the MMM vs cursed thing. MMM looks spew and we'll be debating what his day 1 posts mean as long as he stays alive and the cursed villager isn't outed somehow. If he's villager then using the lone wolf terminology in his post was just bad cos it means he's an easy wagon for wolves to hide on, and for good reasons. However, if he's actually cursed wolf then it's awesome cos it means we lynch the cursed wolf before the wolves get to convert him.

However, mmm can definitely flip villager, if that happens my money is on Ong being the cursed villager. See posts 33 and 35 to see his messages to this effect, and then his repeat in posts 51 and 52. Cute ong. In fact, enough for me to want to lynch him.

Daven is focused on finding people who are could be villagers with Cursed equity, I find that fascinating. How about we go for wolves?

you did see the comment he made that looked like him signalling that he's lone wolf right?
ja, you're wolf and you don't want a possible/probable cursed villager to be the lynch

Did you see that like 4-5 other people have made strong comments that MMM is probably a villager? That includes someone who is actually voting for MMM. It's interesting that you single out Monstr when Gabe did the same thing without stating any reasons for why you think Monstr is wolfy. This is so unlike your villager game, Daven.

post 5 from dhubermex still seems off, the 'yet another' vanilla vs how many times has he been wolf vs villager?

The Village Coalition has considered Dhuber's use of the word "vanilla" and has officially decreed "whatever." More to the point, "OMG HE SAID VANILLA" is so 40 hours ago. For someone who wants to kill MMM just so we won't be debating him, you seem awfully interested in keeping alive a debate that was over a long time ago.

But your continued push of one of the more obvious villagers in the game has been duly noted.

[baudib]

Gabe/Dave/JKDS for postgame

[daven]

So no different EV for me than prior to game start? Exactly.

i wasn't planning on auto early lynching you based on last game. So, no, not the same EV.

[daven]

Daven's entire content (and this is it, folks) screams wolf to me.
First 3 posts were rapidfire hipshots that make no sense from a V perspective.
Next 2 are muck.
#6 weakly questions my original poke at him.
Last one puts noose on wuf/monstah outta nowhere?
But then claims we gotta hang MMM instead??

This is NOT a vanilla Daven!
Lynch Daven

lol really? re the claim that this is not a vanilla daven - go read some daven=vanilla games and then take that comment back.

[aubreymcfate]

First wolf to cry out, folks.


Folks, the MMM wagon is built on a false foundation created by wolves who obv made the conscious plan to pounce on the weakest player. DO NOT BE FOOLED.

I know I voted for mmm but I agree with this, because he's def scapegoaty and was being a little shadester early on. Most logical explanation is that mmm is cursed, which explains his behavior and the fact that wolves would still be trying to get him.

Baudib and dhuber were first to express light suspicion for MMM. Keith then followed with:

being a quitter is one thing , but encouraging bigred to post lolcats is a step too far. Also wtf with MMM posting the same minute that hoopy posted OP. Over eager wolf excited over his role PM .

lynch MMM

Which is much more emphatic than the passing comments Baudib and dhuber made.

Then there's some more agreement between dhuber and Baudib that MMM is being wolfy...

Then JKDS is all like "Seriously though, why is your behavior like this? I'd expect you to remain the same, or be bitter/upset over last game's comments. If not a wolf, whats the deal?"

Then dhuber comes in hard on MMM and lynches him too.



Hmmmmmmm I wouldn't expect the wolves to be coming on their scapegoat so hard so early on (bukkake scapegoat!!!)

Keybored sidled in with a subdued lynch shortly after but then rescinded so that doesn't count...

That leaves me, rong, wuf, and BID

so that is what I shall go investigate now

[aubreymcfate]

btw daven pointing out to me that MMM's lynch wouldn't necessarily prove informative either way because of special roles lead me to believe that he might be a special, or be a wolf with specials on the brain

or just an acute WW player but ya know, we don't run with that kinda logic here. no one's smart, just conniving!

[daven]

So Daven just reeks of agenda IMO. I have to be honest, I said MMM has by far the most Cursed equity but I haven't actually thought about who else could be Cursed.

Villagers out there, how much Cursed hunting have you been done?

i wasn't cursed hunting, but i was thinking of the role as i was reading because of mmm's claimed gambit play. And those posts from ong jumped out at me as looking a lot like signals from a cursed villager.

I'm most happy with lynching one of ong or mmm today.
The rest of my reads are a bit washy, but here goes my gut feel for things so far:

dhuber - borderline, tending slightly wolf
BID - meh, seems village
Luco - village
Ong - cursed
wuf - i always seem to read him as wolf early...
bigred - cat-lover
baudib - meh, last game i felt like i day 1 soulread him. But even though i was right re role, apparently my logic was flawed... nil read.
JKDS - slightly wolf based on his first three or four posts
keith - nil read
daven - villager obviously, probably tough guy
aubrey - nil read
keybored - something about him seems wolf, that could be knee-jerk to his attacks on me though
MMM - wolf
gabe - unlikely teaming wolf with monstr, more likely villager than wolf
monstrman - wolf? if so, does this clear gabe?
rong - nil read.

[daven]

Rescind Wuf
Lynch Ong

[baudib]

i wasn't cursed hunting, but i was thinking of the role as i was reading because of mmm's claimed gambit play. And those posts from ong jumped out at me as looking a lot like signals from a cursed villager.

I'm most happy with lynching one of ong or mmm today.
The rest of my reads are a bit washy, but here goes my gut feel for things so far:

dhuber - borderline, tending slightly wolf
BID - meh, seems village
Luco - village
Ong - cursed
wuf - i always seem to read him as wolf early...
bigred - cat-lover
baudib - meh, last game i felt like i day 1 soulread him. But even though i was right re role, apparently my logic was flawed... nil read.
JKDS - slightly wolf based on his first three or four posts
keith - nil read
daven - villager obviously, probably tough guy
aubrey - nil read
keybored - something about him seems wolf, that could be knee-jerk to his attacks on me though
MMM - wolf
gabe - unlikely teaming wolf with monstr, more likely villager than wolf
monstrman - wolf? if so, does this clear gabe?
rong - nil read.

you probably need to die just for posting a list like this alone and having the balls to pass it off as "reads."

[MadMojoMonkey]

[aubreymcfate]

you probably need to die just for posting a list like this alone and having the balls to pass it off as "reads."

this made me lol

but in daven's defense he called them gut feels, so

[baudib]

daven's gut feel is there are maybe 2-3 villagers in the game? that's pretty weak and "lol it's D1" isn't a good defense.

[daven]

I haven't thought about it because wolves/Cursed are essentially the same.

not quite

Daven is focused on finding people who are could be villagers with Cursed equity, I find that fascinating. How about we go for wolves?

i'm looking for both wolf and cursed equity

Did you see that like 4-5 other people have made strong comments that MMM is probably a villager? That includes someone who is actually voting for MMM. It's interesting that you single out Monstr when Gabe did the same thing without stating any reasons for why you think Monstr is wolfy. This is so unlike your villager game, Daven.

yep, my comment wasn't about monstr thinking mmm is a villager, but rather the fact that he talks only about the claimed 180 and doesn't even acknowledge the lone wolf phrasing used by mmm that started all this.

The Village Coalition has considered Dhuber's use of the word "vanilla" and has officially decreed "whatever."

this might sound strange, but right now my village coalition consists of one player, me.

More to the point, "OMG HE SAID VANILLA" is so 40 hours ago. For someone who wants to kill MMM just so we won't be debating him, you seem awfully interested in keeping alive a debate that was over a long time ago.

just cos it was ages ago doesn't mean it's now irrelevant....

But your continued push of one of the more obvious villagers in the game has been duly noted.

i don't read him as obvious villager, sorry.

changing my nil read on you to tending wolfy for now.

[baudib]

You're smart. So you'd put something in your original trap-post that you'd be able to point to to say 'see, it was a trap all along'. But you didn't. I think you're a normal wolf, and that this was an attempt to assist your team in identifying the cursed villager - anyone who called you out on being cursed is obviously not cursed themselves. Yeah, you're wolf. You, monstr, wuf, and ong is the cursed villager. Game over, thanks for coming.

marking post for later reference, possible "rule of 4" in effect.

[baudib]

not quite


i'm looking for both wolf and cursed equity


yep, my comment wasn't about monstr thinking mmm is a villager, but rather the fact that he talks only about the claimed 180 and doesn't even acknowledge the lone wolf phrasing used by mmm that started all this.



this might sound strange, but right now my village coalition consists of one player, me.


just cos it was ages ago doesn't mean it's now irrelevant....


i don't read him as obvious villager, sorry.

changing my nil read on you to tending wolfy for now.

Tending wolfy, not lock wolf? Let us TDOME

[baudib]

Re: Huber as obvious villager.

It's called Reading the Fucking Thread (RTFT)

[daven]

you probably need to die just for posting a list like this alone and having the balls to pass it off as "reads."

ja, fair call. It's my feel based on game so far. how about i format it in a way that you'd be happier with. I've seen a few posts so far this game where people have placed players in groups. But this one is in a list format, so you're calling me out on it?

To me it looks a lot like baudi is pushing for me to be a viable wagon to stop mmm getting lynched. That's fine, but just remember this if i get lynched. If mmm flips wolf then that implicates baudi, and vice versa.

[daven]

marking post for later reference, possible "rule of 4" in effect.

rule of four something about a wolf's list always including some proportion of wolves vs villagers? won't apply, as you'll see if/when i end up dead.
also, what does TDOME mean? The huge list of acronyms in this game is starting to tilt me.

[aubreymcfate]

for some reason baudib i thought you were literally telling to daven to die for posting such a shit list, like i forgot what game we were playing and just thought you were being a dick. and i thought it was funny.

anyway

i don't know

BID is hard to read.

Ong saying I'm a villager bc I accurately explained why he was villager. I thought about this for a bit... because it's possible that Ong is a wolf and just figured out how to do the carefree masquerade. But being a wolf is stressful so that's not so likely, lol. Also, if you're a villager that's been a wolf, you're acutely aware that you're posting in a more carefree style, you're able to say what comes to you, you're not too worried bc you know you're not going to freak and go overkill defending yourself, etc. I am definitely cognizant of that while playing, so for this to resonate with Ong so much that he comments on it strikes me as an authentically villager thing to do.

[daven]

Re: Huber as obvious villager.

It's called Reading the Fucking Thread (RTFT)

typically only wolves are 100% confident about villager reads on day 1. That's cos they know who the villagers are. The rest of us have to try and figure it out based on reading posts and interactions.

[daven]

daven's gut feel is there are maybe 2-3 villagers in the game? that's pretty weak and "lol it's D1" isn't a good defense.

missed this, funny, cos if i was wolf i'd be way more confident about giving villager lean to players cos i'd know who the villagers were. Not in future though, that's probably been a read that could have been applied to good effect in the games i've wolfed so far = seeming way too confident about villager reads

[MadMojoMonkey]

@aubrey: I thought I read through a game with you as village... Can you tell me the name/link to a game where you villaged?

***
Aubrey was a wolf in Drug Smugglers and Feds. A quick iso of her on the first 2 pages shows, if nothing else, that she's wicked smaat. I'm expecting to have a strong villager or an improved wolf game... and that one was solid, IIRC.

[gabe]

"lol it's D1" isn't a good defense.

thats mine

[baudib]

Ok in fairness I only feel good about 2 villagers myself. I'm considering moving Keybored up from "slight villa" lean to "medium strong" lean but that may be underestimating him.

Considering how awkward Dhuber was as a wolf I'm gonna be really shocked if he flips wolf here.

[aubreymcfate]

@aubrey: I thought I read through a game with you as village... Can you tell me the name/link to a game where you villaged?

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Aubrey was a wolf in Drug Smugglers and Feds. A quick iso of her on the first 2 pages shows, if nothing else, that she's wicked smaat. I'm expecting to have a strong villager or an improved wolf game... and that one was solid, IIRC.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...te-192759.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lf-194882.html

here are two. first link is my first ever game :O

also


someone around here appreciates me!

[Keybored]

This is pretty intense research. Not sure what it means in terms of value to the village. But you sure are putting in your dues...

Nah...I keep this list running from h1. It's easy if you stay up with it, like most things. Thanks for the shout-out tho.

[Keybored]

Also, Keybored worked his ass off last game as a wolf so LOL u for giving him villa points for that.

No meta here...I work my ass off at everything. Tthere is no try, only do!

[Keybored]

So Daven just reeks of agenda IMO. I have to be honest, I said MMM has by far the most Cursed equity but I haven't actually thought about who else could be Cursed. Villagers out there, how much Cursed hunting have you been done? I haven't thought about it because wolves/Cursed are essentially the same. Also, I sent Wufwugy $19.99 in Paypal for his Villaging For Dummies book, and it says that we should lunch the wolfiest players. Solid advice, worth the money, would read again.

Here, here y'all. I second this and whatnot...

[OngBonga]

Holy shit daven is a wolf. Props to those who sniffed him out.

[baudib]

typically only wolves are 100% confident about villager reads on day 1. That's cos they know who the villagers are. The rest of us have to try and figure it out based on reading posts and interactions.

the problem is that you don't even seem to have read any posts or interactions. you sponged a read off Gabe, which, tbh, isn't the worst default D1 strat ever, but this doesn't really seem like you.

I thought Wuf was disconnected from the thread but he seems 10X as involved as you, and i'm grading on a curve for you considering differences in time zones/schedules etc.

[baudib]

for some reason baudib i thought you were literally telling to daven to die for posting such a shit list, like i forgot what game we were playing and just thought you were being a dick. and i thought it was funny.

It's not like i'm NOT being a dick but uh wat huh.

I wouldn't want Daven to really die because we need m0ar mods around dis joint and the dude made an epic hero fold of quads. #respect

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Hmmmmmmm I wouldn't expect the wolves to be coming on their scapegoat so hard so early on (bukkake scapegoat!!!) That leaves me, rong, wuf, and BID. so that is what I shall go investigate now

So what yer saying Aubrey, is...
...after I outed 2-3 wolves sitting on the easy MMM wagon...
...where I asked Dhuber and BID to jump ship to the Daven wagon to expose them baddies...
...after I outed Keith for starting the weak wolf MMM wagon...
...and then Daven flailed about like a landed fish...
...which left which wolves exposed on the MMM wagon??
Oh yah...Wuf & Rong & Aubrey & Ong, sitting in a tree: K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

SOULREAD: The 4 Wolves are locked in here: Keith/Daven/Wuf/Aubrey/Rong.

Col Mustard/In the Library/with the Lead Pipe
Envelope please.

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@Daven: you probably need to die just for posting a list like this alone and having the balls to pass it off as "reads."

Mos Def

[baudib]

Aubrey seems to be pretty game-solvey.

[Keybored]

BID is hard to read.

Ong saying I'm a villager bc I accurately explained why he was villager. I thought about this for a bit... because it's possible that Ong is a wolf and just figured out how to do the carefree masquerade. But being a wolf is stressful so that's not so likely, lol. Also, if you're a villager that's been a wolf, you're acutely aware that you're posting in a more carefree style, you're able to say what comes to you, you're not too worried bc you know you're not going to freak and go overkill defending yourself, etc. I am definitely cognizant of that while playing, so for this to resonate with Ong so much that he comments on it strikes me as an authentically villager thing to do.

So...BID is hard to read but you give a paragraph on Ong. Not good for either of you. Ong, u wanna chime in on this?