Ultimate Werewolf

[Keybored]

MMM is going to be a distraction on later days. Its telling that his wagon has stalled with people (like keybored) campaigning for an alternate. Why would the wolves want to kill MMM. he is likely to distract the village on future days and if he does get lynched and comes back as cursedwe have to examine those not on his wagon closely. why didn't they want the potential wolf recruit to die?.

First wolf to cry out, folks.

Keith, I'm not campaigning for an "alternate" to MoMo. I'm saying MoMo's not a wolf and my vote is better off sitting on someone who IS wolfy. I'm NOT voting for someone who is "likely" to be a distraction later. Your "if" he get's lynched and "then" comes back to (potentially) flip "cursed" statement is super weak and not to your usual standard. You speak very seldom and very little, so every word has to be "examined" closely. Therefore, here's my read: Wolf Keith started the MoMo lynch D1 thinking it's a free wolf kill with absolutely no backlash. If I was a wolf, it woulda been my first vote, no question. Keith, I'm not stalling. I'm saying you motivated the wolves to pounce on the weakest known player and you made the first vote along that line.

BID, you're 60 posts behind? Yet you come out above and town on Ong/Luco/Dhuber?? Not cool.

What's this business about MMM being a distraction later? Are we talking about his surrender last game? Cuz that's bullshit. The dude's a scientist ffs. His whole life is about experimentation and learning from trial/error. If anything, he's the absolute last person who'll quit or waffle late game after that life lesson. And keep in mind, he fought tooth/nail the entire way last game after all the "superpowers" were waylaid along the trail. Are we worried about his early feint this game? Why? First, he didn't run away from defeat/shame last game. Second, he obv worked in the off season to sharpen his game. Third, he came here with a new approach (as others here have espoused also). And finally, he tried a bold new move. Now, I completely agree, his entire first page is awful, but I'm looking at the whole person.

Folks, the MMM wagon is built on a false foundation created by wolves who obv made the conscious plan to pounce on the weakest player. DO NOT BE FOOLED.

[aubreymcfate]

First wolf to cry out, folks.


Folks, the MMM wagon is built on a false foundation created by wolves who obv made the conscious plan to pounce on the weakest player. DO NOT BE FOOLED.

I know I voted for mmm but I agree with this, because he's def scapegoaty and was being a little shadester early on. Most logical explanation is that mmm is cursed, which explains his behavior and the fact that wolves would still be trying to get him.

Baudib and dhuber were first to express light suspicion for MMM. Keith then followed with:

being a quitter is one thing , but encouraging bigred to post lolcats is a step too far. Also wtf with MMM posting the same minute that hoopy posted OP. Over eager wolf excited over his role PM .

lynch MMM

Which is much more emphatic than the passing comments Baudib and dhuber made.

Then there's some more agreement between dhuber and Baudib that MMM is being wolfy...

Then JKDS is all like "Seriously though, why is your behavior like this? I'd expect you to remain the same, or be bitter/upset over last game's comments. If not a wolf, whats the deal?"

Then dhuber comes in hard on MMM and lynches him too.



Hmmmmmmm I wouldn't expect the wolves to be coming on their scapegoat so hard so early on (bukkake scapegoat!!!)

Keybored sidled in with a subdued lynch shortly after but then rescinded so that doesn't count...

That leaves me, rong, wuf, and BID

so that is what I shall go investigate now

[Keybored]

Hmmmmmmm I wouldn't expect the wolves to be coming on their scapegoat so hard so early on (bukkake scapegoat!!!) That leaves me, rong, wuf, and BID. so that is what I shall go investigate now

So what yer saying Aubrey, is...
...after I outed 2-3 wolves sitting on the easy MMM wagon...
...where I asked Dhuber and BID to jump ship to the Daven wagon to expose them baddies...
...after I outed Keith for starting the weak wolf MMM wagon...
...and then Daven flailed about like a landed fish...
...which left which wolves exposed on the MMM wagon??
Oh yah...Wuf & Rong & Aubrey & Ong, sitting in a tree: K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

SOULREAD: The 4 Wolves are locked in here: Keith/Daven/Wuf/Aubrey/Rong.

Col Mustard/In the Library/with the Lead Pipe
Envelope please.

[aubreymcfate]

So what yer saying Aubrey, is...
...after I outed 2-3 wolves sitting on the easy MMM wagon...
...where I asked Dhuber and BID to jump ship to the Daven wagon to expose them baddies...
...after I outed Keith for starting the weak wolf MMM wagon...
...and then Daven flailed about like a landed fish...
...which left which wolves exposed on the MMM wagon??
Oh yah...Wuf & Rong & Aubrey & Ong, sitting in a tree: K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

SOULREAD: The 4 Wolves are locked in here: Keith/Daven/Wuf/Aubrey/Rong.

Col Mustard/In the Library/with the Lead Pipe
Envelope please.

Of course that's not what I'm saying. All the wolves didn't pile onto the MMM wagon.

[Keith]

First wolf to cry out, folks.

Keith, I'm not campaigning for an "alternate" to MoMo. I'm saying MoMo's not a wolf and my vote is better off sitting on someone who IS wolfy. I'm NOT voting for someone who is "likely" to be a distraction later. Your "if" he get's lynched and "then" comes back to (potentially) flip "cursed" statement is super weak and not to your usual standard. You speak very seldom and very little, so every word has to be "examined" closely. Therefore, here's my read: Wolf Keith started the MoMo lynch D1 thinking it's a free wolf kill with absolutely no backlash. If I was a wolf, it woulda been my first vote, no question. Keith, I'm not stalling. I'm saying you motivated the wolves to pounce on the weakest known player and you made the first vote along that line.

this is one hell of a logic fail. Since when is it +ev for the wolves to get rid of a guy who cracks under pressure. Wolves try to take out the specials and/or strong players first not the weak players . DId you read the "discussion" that MMM and I had post game last game. It was fricking obvious to everyone who played last game that MMM would be my first day one lynch vote this game. MMM acknowledges that in his early posts. SInce you want to examine my every word , explain to me how MMM posted his first post the same minute that Hoopy posted the thread. That implies he was sat there refreshing the forum to see the thread and he certainly didn't have time to read the post to find out what roles were playing. Villagers aren't sat there refreshing the thread and insta posting, they read the intro , the rules and what roles the village has.

BID, you're 60 posts behind? Yet you come out above and town on Ong/Luco/Dhuber?? Not cool.

What's this business about MMM being a distraction later? Are we talking about his surrender last game? Cuz that's bullshit. The dude's a scientist ffs. His whole life is about experimentation and learning from trial/error. If anything, he's the absolute last person who'll quit or waffle late game after that life lesson. And keep in mind, he fought tooth/nail the entire way last game after all the "superpowers" were waylaid along the trail. Are we worried about his early feint this game? Why? First, he didn't run away from defeat/shame last game. Second, he obv worked in the off season to sharpen his game. Third, he came here with a new approach (as others here have espoused also). And finally, he tried a bold new move. Now, I completely agree, his entire first page is awful, but I'm looking at the whole person.

Folks, the MMM wagon is built on a false foundation created by wolves who obv made the conscious plan to pounce on the weakest player. DO NOT BE FOOLED.

Are you being deliberately dense? He's a distraction BECAUSE he tried to pull a move. How do you know for sure that he is a villager like you are claiming. Only the wolves can know that .He is a distraction because the rest of the village cannot be sure whether he was pulling that move to signal to the wolves that he is cursed or doing it as a trap like he claims and the scenario i posted showed why leaving him alive into the endgame could be disastrous for the village. Check the timing of his solo wolf post, it was after my original bold of him. Claiming solo wolf in a game where there is a cursed villager and he has already been called out on his insta post at the start of the game shows a lack of judgement , just as his quitting last game also showed a lack of judgement.That is why he should go now before his bad decision making hurts the village again like it did last game. Its already doing it this game with the discussion abiut his motives for his post.

So what yer saying Aubrey, is...
...after I outed 2-3 wolves sitting on the easy MMM wagon...
...where I asked Dhuber and BID to jump ship to the Daven wagon to expose them baddies...
...after I outed Keith for starting the weak wolf MMM wagon...
...and then Daven flailed about like a landed fish...
...which left which wolves exposed on the MMM wagon??
Oh yah...Wuf & Rong & Aubrey & Ong, sitting in a tree: K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

SOULREAD: The 4 Wolves are locked in here: Keith/Daven/Wuf/Aubrey/Rong.

Col Mustard/In the Library/with the Lead Pipe
Envelope please.

You have 4 wolves locked in . Theres only 3 wolves and a cursed villager and the cursed villager (if not MMM) certainly has no clue whether MMM is an outed wolf or a villager. SO why exactly did you say 4 wolves?Is this a POV slip?

[Keybored]

You have 4 wolves locked in. Theres only 3 wolves and a cursed villager and the cursed villager (if not MMM) certainly has no clue whether MMM is an outed wolf or a villager. SO why exactly did you say 4 wolves? Is this a POV slip?

In my mind, we're up against 4 wolves.
And to quote myself: "The 4 Wolves are locked in here: Keith/Daven/Wuf/Aubrey/Rong."
It's d1, so this is obv very loose.

[Keybored]

. . . explain to me how MMM posted his first post the same minute that Hoopy posted the thread. That implies he was sat there refreshing the forum to see the thread and he certainly didn't have time to read the post to find out what roles were playing. Villagers aren't sat there refreshing the thread and insta posting, they read the intro , the rules and what roles the village has.

In the signup thread, Hoopy laid out most of his intentions.
3:41pm -- Hoopy blasts all: "You are villagers. Everyone gets this message, if you don't get another PM you are a villager."
3:58pm -- Hoopy posts #1.
3:58pm -- MMM posts obv silliness.
4:01pm -- Hoopy posts rules.
4:02pm -- Hoopy posts game on.

MMM had 17 minutes to read any PMs he may have gotten; plenty of time.
His first post's timing is a non-issue, he snap voted wearing his "fun" hat.
I caught it early too but gave it no value.

I don't claim to know what a villager does versus what a wolf does in the first seconds of the game.
But I do know that it's in the best interest of a wolf to know exactly what the game setup looks like before posting.
It's also imperative for the wolves to make den introductions b4 game posting.
Anyone posting in the first 10 minutes of opening gets village lean from me, not wolf.

[Keith]

In the signup thread, Hoopy laid out most of his intentions.
3:41pm -- Hoopy blasts all: "You are villagers. Everyone gets this message, if you don't get another PM you are a villager."
3:58pm -- Hoopy posts #1.
3:58pm -- MMM posts obv silliness.
4:01pm -- Hoopy posts rules.
4:02pm -- Hoopy posts game on.

MMM had 17 minutes to read any PMs he may have gotten; plenty of time.
His first post's timing is a non-issue, he snap voted wearing his "fun" hat.
I caught it early too but gave it no value.

I don't claim to know what a villager does versus what a wolf does in the first seconds of the game.
But I do know that it's in the best interest of a wolf to know exactly what the game setup looks like before posting.
It's also imperative for the wolves to make den introductions b4 game posting.
Anyone posting in the first 10 minutes of opening gets village lean from me, not wolf.

this is a total non post but shows up contradictions.you are saying that a wolf knows the rules and setup before posting but you claim that his first post was obvious silliness. if its obvious silliness then the game setup and rules make no difference , its not role indicative. You show the time difference between the villager PM and the thread being posted and say that it is imperative that a wolf make den intros before posting. How do you know that he hadn't already posted in the wolf den. Only Hoopy and the wolves know when the wolf PMs were sent out. In previous game discussions the idea has been floated that wolves would get their pms early so that they get some preparation time. How do you know that this didn't happen this time?.

and the biggest contradiction is you giving a villager lean to someone posting in the first 10 minutes. Lets see if you meant it.
using your #332

MMM <> *BAUDIB* <> 2 ................Bud : 1
BAUDIB <> DAVEN <> 11 ...............Bud : 1 Dav 1
MMM <> *ONG* <> 14 ...................Dav 1 : ong 1
WUF <> *DHUBER* <> 17...............Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 1
KEITH <> MMM <> 29 .....................Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 1
MMM <> *DHUBER* <> 39 ..............Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 2 :MMM 1
MMM <> WUF <> 42 .......................Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 1 : WUF 1
WUF <> MMM <> 43 .......................Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 2 :WUF 1
DHUBER <> *MMM* <> 48 ..............Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 3 :WUF 1
DAVEN <> *DHUBER* <> 54 ...........Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 2 :MMM 3 :WUF 1
KEYB <> *MMM* <> 60 ...................Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 2 :MMM 4 :WUF 1
GABE <> MONSTR <> 63..................Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 2 :MMM 4 :WUF 1 : MON 1
ONG <> *BIGRED* <> 100...............Dav 1 : ong 1 : dhub 2 :MMM 4 :WUF 1 : MON 1 BRed 1
KEYB <> DAVEN <> 177...................Dav 2 : ong 1 : dhub 2 :MMM 3 :WUF 1 : MON 1 BRed 1
DAVEN <> WUF <> 192....................Dav 2 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 3 :WUF 2 : MON 1 BRed 1
RONG <> MMM <> 194.....................Dav 2 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 4 :WUF 2 : MON 1 BRed 1
DHUBER <> MMM <> 221.................Dav 2 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 4 :WUF 2 : MON 1 BRed 1 dhuber already on MMM
BIGRED <> AUBREY <> 225..............Dav 2 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 4 :WUF 2 : MON 1 BRed 1 AUB 1
AUBREY <> MMM <> 241..................Dav 2 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 5 :WUF 2 : MON 1 BRed 1 AUB 1
BID <> MMM <> 242.........................Dav 2 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 6 :WUF 2 : MON 1 BRed 1 AUB 1
ONG <> MMM <> 280.......................Dav 2 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 7 :WUF 2 : MON 1 AUB 1
LUCO <> DAVEN <> 284...................Dav 3 : ong 1 : dhub 1 :MMM 7 :WUF 2 : MON 1 AUB 1

do you remember #36

Yup...MoMo doing a 180 on us and it makes my ass twitch. Also agree with Keith's suspicion re snap play and excited role hijinks. MMM looking rough early, representing too strong a hand IMO.

thats not what you are claiming now.

also post #60 ...remember the one where you vote for MMM by quoting wuf

Originally Posted by wufwugyYour responses so far are things I've seen smart people who are new at wolfing do. rescind d-mex lanch mmm

Lynch MadMoMo and his popcorn.

Sheesh...

no explanation except the inference by quoting that you agree with wuf.

now your latest theory is

First wolf to cry out, folks.

Keith, I'm not campaigning for an "alternate" to MoMo. I'm saying MoMo's not a wolf and my vote is better off sitting on someone who IS wolfy. I'm NOT voting for someone who is "likely" to be a distraction later. Your "if" he get's lynched and "then" comes back to (potentially) flip "cursed" statement is super weak and not to your usual standard. You speak very seldom and very little, so every word has to be "examined" closely. Therefore, here's my read: Wolf Keith started the MoMo lynch D1 thinking it's a free wolf kill with absolutely no backlash. If I was a wolf, it woulda been my first vote, no question. Keith, I'm not stalling. I'm saying you motivated the wolves to pounce on the weakest known player and you made the first vote along that line.

look who voted for MMM early me , wuf dhuber and you. I'm supposed to be making it so that the wolves can pounce on the weakest player. then you post this

So what yer saying Aubrey, is...
...after I outed 2-3 wolves sitting on the easy MMM wagon...
...where I asked Dhuber and BID to jump ship to the Daven wagon to expose them baddies...
...after I outed Keith for starting the weak wolf MMM wagon...
...and then Daven flailed about like a landed fish...
...which left which wolves exposed on the MMM wagon??
Oh yah...Wuf & Rong & Aubrey & Ong, sitting in a tree: K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

SOULREAD: The 4 Wolves are locked in here: Keith/Daven/Wuf/Aubrey/Rong.

Col Mustard/In the Library/with the Lead Pipe
Envelope please.

so of those early MMM voters that you say are the wolves that i'm supposed to be leading the way for them to pounce on MMM, dhuber isn't in your list of wolves , wuf is and you aren't. Those are the MMM voters in the first 60 posts . THen there's 130+ posts before rong and aubrey and ong vote for him. If this is the wolf plan as you claim why does it take so long for rong aubrey and ong to get onto MMM,and why is daven sat on wuf in your list of votes.This shows how far fetched your theory is.
When the evidence doesn't fit your theory , even MMM can tell you from his scientific background that there is something wrong with your theory.You are contradicting yourself, making arguments to fit your accusations rather than looking at the evidence and seeing if it fits your argument. You are trying to target the better players ( look at how modest i am), you aren't addressing points made about you ,and you're just acting the classroom snitch running up to teacher saying .....oooo keith said naughty words to me , punish him. . I think you're a wolf.

rescind MMM lynch Keybored

[Keybored]

this is one hell of a logic fail. Since when is it +ev for the wolves to get rid of a guy who cracks under pressure. Wolves try to take out the specials and/or strong players first not the weak players . DId you read the "discussion" that MMM and I had post game last game. It was fricking obvious to everyone who played last game that MMM would be my first day one lynch vote this game. MMM acknowledges that in his early posts. SInce you want to examine my every word ... Are you being deliberately dense? He's a distraction BECAUSE he tried to pull a move...

You have 4 wolves locked in . Theres only 3 wolves and a cursed villager and the cursed villager (if not MMM) certainly has no clue whether MMM is an outed wolf or a villager. SO why exactly did you say 4 wolves?Is this a POV slip?

*I chopped out content above to shorten quote.

Keith's getting emotional folks. Curses, insults, caps in one post. Defending is one thing, blowing up is another.
Someone tell me if this is V or W Keith.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Someone tell me if this is V or W Keith.

It's not role-indicative.

Kieth's tone made my lady cry multiple times in a discussion about veganism. I'm not holding anything against Keith for her getting butthurt over some internet conversation that she kept injecting herself into. I counseled her as much at the time. (Also, I think veganism is stupid, so - yeah.)

[aubreymcfate]

It's not role-indicative.

Kieth's tone made my lady cry multiple times in a discussion about veganism. I'm not holding anything against Keith for her getting butthurt over some internet conversation that she kept injecting herself into. I counseled her as much at the time. (Also, I think veganism is stupid, so - yeah.)

now i understand why you are so sympathetic to me on random thread hahaha

except i dont cry, my hair just turns into snakes and eats everyone